followed cervantes advice now disaster.

morrisgreenberg

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what EXACTLY do you feed your plants? my main thing is, STOP spraying shit on your plants unless its for bugs, stop the foliar feeding, stop the insanity, your over anylazing, thank god you posted a pic, you made it seem like hell was freezing over, i have a few questions for you if you dont mind (1)when was the last time you flushed your soil?(2)Feeding regiment?(3)soil runoff PH? i stop spraying anything and everything when i see flowers (unless i really need to hit em with soap or neem oil for thrips) if your using bloom nutes how much nitrogen is in them? and if using bloom nutes when did you start feeding them to the plants?
 

bw23

Active Member
Damn man calm down you still have a chance to save those plants i seen way worse plants then that just flush the whole plant and start the nutes over and see what happens there got to be a solution to your problem m.j. plants are tuff little f*%kers. good luck

totally man. the yellowing is def a N def, give em a lil love and they'll come back. You really are over analyzing too. A wise grower told me to treat em like your houseplants when it comes to nutes and water. They'll thank you for it. :)

I know its frustrating when they die, Ive had some die myself. Hell, weve all had some die. And remember. There is no 100% SET, MUST DO IT THIS WAY TO A T, way to grow. You pick and choose methods you read and hear about and develop some of your own. No two women (ok, ok...) or men grow 100% alike. :hug:
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
I would almost bet 10 to a dollar those are root bound and nutrient locked in those little pots. To big for such small pots.
 

anhedonia

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what EXACTLY do you feed your plants? my main thing is, STOP spraying shit on your plants unless its for bugs, stop the foliar feeding, stop the insanity, your over anylazing, thank god you posted a pic, you made it seem like hell was freezing over, i have a few questions for you if you dont mind (1)when was the last time you flushed your soil?(2)Feeding regiment?(3)soil runoff PH? i stop spraying anything and everything when i see flowers (unless i really need to hit em with soap or neem oil for thrips) if your using bloom nutes how much nitrogen is in them? and if using bloom nutes when did you start feeding them to the plants?
1. I usually dont flush because I water them with lots of water and get lots of runoff. I'll see what the runoff is when I feed them next. Usually between 6.2-6.7. And I use pura vida grow 6-3-4,root juice and bloom 2-6-6 with molasses and roots oregonism benificials. And I'll check the roots to see whats going on there.
 

morrisgreenberg

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you want to turn that pklant green and make it happy? grab your grow ferts, and mix 1/4 strength into your flush water, PH it and run it through there, for future reference flushing is a breeze with smaller pot, be a good grower and be nice to your plants, flush them every month, takes 3 feedings to accumulate substantial salt build up, your plant and root zone need all the help it can get right now, your about 3-4 weeks in flowering? this is the stretch run, you wanna make the playoffs this year or what? i only recommend flushing with nutrients mixed only when i can clearly identify an N P or K def, clearly lockout, holding back the N, i bet your water PH at 6.5-6.7 runs off at over 7, most nutes have PH buffering , this will ensure proper uptake of your nutes, i have plenty flush exp. with nute mix and solves almost every problem, i wish i can credit the guy on here who told me to do it
 

morrisgreenberg

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pot sizing 101, im sure these gentleman will agree, you need 1 gallon per foot of plant you want to grow and/or 1 gallon per month your gonna keep the plant alive, example: vegg plant 1 month flowering for 2 = 3gallon pot, from the angle it looks like you have one of those tall 1gallon jobs, perfect for short plants in SOG, not good for your height. In my exp. i never see the plant go too far out passed the rim of the pot, if she goes 3 inches passed the edge then shes happy, your plant really wants to become a serious bush but that pot isnt letting it
 

anhedonia

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Flushed 2 plants. The initial runoff was 7.1 and it took about 6-7 gallons of water each to get the runoff to 6.3-6.4. So will a plant yellow up like this in a few days if the soil ph is 7.1? Meaning Ive seen growers who dont even use a ph pen and use RO water and nutes and have fantastic results. RO water is like 8 right?
 

morrisgreenberg

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not sure, i just know ro water is 0ppm, those plants need some nitrogen, give them straight up grow ferts, or cal-mag, and next chance you get, change your pots
 

anhedonia

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The PH of the soil was originally 7 and I flushed until The runoff was at least 6.5. Every one says N defficiency but how so? Im going to be using the pura vida grow and bloom as a 2 part formula then for flowering plants.

Ive tried 3 different organic formulas, EJ, pure blend pro and now pura vida and Im still getting plants that turn completely yellow after 3 weeks flowering. I remember somone saying that a mechanic never blames his tools but how are all these fertilizers causing Ndef? I really dont want to go back to foxfarm.
 

morrisgreenberg

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one thing is, atleast for me i used to always do this, i would start feeding bloom nutes the day i flipped the switch, i now only give bloom nutes when i see flowers forming, this always caused me premature yellowing at exactly 3 weeks in, could this be the case? you can feed them some grow ferts to get back some green, or like i do and many others, is supplement your bloom ferts with botanicare's Cal-mag, the cal mag has Nitro in it, but as you said your all organic...keep it so with your original grow ferts.Now that you have flushed good, you have a clean slate to work with, this will ensure nutrient uptake, so go ahead at your next feeding and give them a higher N content if you want your color back, i knoew your soil PH was gonna be high, its a good thing you got rid of any salt biuld up down there, good luck bro
 

morrisgreenberg

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one thing is, atleast for me i used to always do this, i would start feeding bloom nutes the day i flipped the switch, i now only give bloom nutes when i see flowers forming, this always caused me premature yellowing at exactly 3 weeks in, could this be the case? you can feed them some grow ferts to get back some green, or like i do and many others, is supplement your bloom ferts with botanicare's Cal-mag, the cal mag has Nitro in it, but as you said your all organic...keep it so with your original grow ferts.Now that you have flushed good, you have a clean slate to work with, this will ensure nutrient uptake, so go ahead at your next feeding and give them a higher N content if you want your color back, i knoew your soil PH was gonna be high, its a good thing you got rid of any salt biuld up down there, good luck bro
 

morrisgreenberg

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Anhedonia, those plants still alive??????? i would think since you havent been posting your just about all sorted out? let me know how your progressing, i am taking an interest in your grow, just want to make sure i didnt give you any "bad dope" and properly help you diagnose your problems
 

anhedonia

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The plants are still alive but producing smal buds. Ill post some pics later on today. Thanks morrisgreenberg.

Did you visit the journal?
 

morrisgreenberg

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yea i passed by yesterday, im real interested in your grow i got some WB brewing right now, personally i love additives during flower, high P and K, i know you used FF, i like the cha ching for the boost
 

anhedonia

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Here they are 5.5 wks in bloom. 3 wks left. Notice how tiny the buds are. Those should be colas not popcorn.
 

morrisgreenberg

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i know why this is happeneing to you, the only way i would use that pot is in a Sog set up, flowering the plant at 8-12 inches, a gaollon per foot, the main culperate is the lack of nitrogen, she wasnt getting enough nitrogen in the early part of the flowering cycle, thus becoming yellow too early and the loss of leaves had occure way to early, you wanted that kind of loss during your last week of flowering, these fan leaves are your solar panels, creating energy for nutrient uptake and the breakdowns of other compounds, no fans leaves = power outage, now there could be many reasons for the nitrogen deficiencie, like i hit on earlier, always happened to me switched to a low N bloom food too soon, now for beefy buds you need more phosphorous, like i said before i liked cha ching, its something like 9-45-10, thats not need, but a good shot of a P-K 13/14 is good, or GH makes liquid kool bloom thats 10-10, in my honest opinion, its the power outage from losing fan leaves, by this happening your plant didnt have the energy to finish up, just barely enough to survive, your next group of plants if you want to grow them out to 36 inchs its critical you use 3 gallon pots, flush once a month to get rid of salt build up and maintain a good soil PH, and start feeding your plants Bloom ferts at about 14-21 days into flower, feed when you start seeing bud sites, they need all that nitrogen for the 3 weeks, so by the time you hit 5 weeks flower you start getting natural yellowing, and by weeks 8-10 you start losing those older leaves, in your garden will be in perfect harmony, put it this way, your plants need to look like that on harvesy day...if you follow these few simple rules you will have an outstanding harvest and the plant will get deficient when YOU tell it to, and you will have total control...control is key, control is the reason why i went to aeroponics, leess work, bigger yield and less time and its too easy to flush, and i never get deficiencie anymore
 
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