Fohse/Grow Generation Nightmare "10K"Tent Giveaway

MFL

Member
Hey All,

I noticed a few distinct problems regarding to the design and marketing of the Fohse/Grow Generation 10k Grow Tent Sweepstakes along with Fohse Aries light itself in the consumer space and figured it was worth a discussion.

1. While Fohse has seen amazing yields in the consumer space, their architecture requires an immense amount of canopy separation and doesn't seem to scale down well for grow tents/grow rooms without irrationally high ceilings. Given that their LEDs are projected/magnified, the lights have to be 3' above the canopy in order to not burn your plants at full power which really limits the amount of useable space in a grow tent compared to other lighting solutions. In a 7' tall grow tent for example, this only gives you 4' to work with for your pots and everything unless you want to pull power from the light. It's like...what's the point of this light if you can't turn it up?

2. Combined with their ebb and flow tables though which raise up the plants 3' when its all said and done, there would only be 1' of vertical growing area to grow within at full-power in a 7' tent before having to dial the light back. Sure you could add extensions, but those cost money and will only turn a 1' growing area to a piddly 3' vertical growing area. Baby sized plants either way.

3. There isn't a heat or humidity solution. Instead, it has an odor solution that can be used poorly manage temperatures and humidity while sacrificing the odor scrubbing effect when they inevitable have to turn the fan up to vent heat/humidity.

4. This setup doesn't amount to $10,000 in value; maybe $3,500 at best unless you also value Mike Howards consultation time @ $550/hr.

All in, this tent seems to be a hodgepodge of name brand stuff thrown together, leaves a lot on the table, and will probably be a complete nightmare for growers as-is. On top of that, it easily needs an additional $1,000 to make it into a viable grow tent. Yes they're all good components individually, but that doesn't mean they'll come together well in a grow tent for consumers. Seemingly, no one capable of counting or engineering a grow tent were involved in the creation of this sweepstakes or design of this tent...

Thoughts?
 

Lordhooha

Well-Known Member
Hey All,

I noticed a few distinct problems regarding to the design and marketing of the Fohse/Grow Generation 10k Grow Tent Sweepstakes along with Fohse Aries light itself in the consumer space and figured it was worth a discussion.

1. While Fohse has seen amazing yields in the consumer space, their architecture requires an immense amount of canopy separation and doesn't seem to scale down well for grow tents/grow rooms without irrationally high ceilings. Given that their LEDs are projected/magnified, the lights have to be 3' above the canopy in order to not burn your plants at full power which really limits the amount of useable space in a grow tent compared to other lighting solutions. In a 7' tall grow tent for example, this only gives you 4' to work with for your pots and everything unless you want to pull power from the light. It's like...what's the point of this light if you can't turn it up?

2. Combined with their ebb and flow tables though which raise up the plants 3' when its all said and done, there would only be 1' of vertical growing area to grow within at full-power in a 7' tent before having to dial the light back. Sure you could add extensions, but those cost money and will only turn a 1' growing area to a piddly 3' vertical growing area. Baby sized plants either way.

3. There isn't a heat or humidity solution. Instead, it has an odor solution that can be used poorly manage temperatures and humidity while sacrificing the odor scrubbing effect when they inevitable have to turn the fan up to vent heat/humidity.

4. This setup doesn't amount to $10,000 in value; maybe $3,500 at best unless you also value Mike Howards consultation time @ $550/hr.

All in, this tent seems to be a hodgepodge of name brand stuff thrown together, leaves a lot on the table, and will probably be a complete nightmare for growers as-is. On top of that, it easily needs an additional $1,000 to make it into a viable grow tent. Yes they're all good components individually, but that doesn't mean they'll come together well in a grow tent for consumers. Seemingly, no one capable of counting or engineering a grow tent were involved in the creation of this sweepstakes or design of this tent...

Thoughts?
you realize the light and controller alone are almost 2700+ on their own right.
 

xtsho

Well-Known Member
Who in their right mind would pay $10,000 for that? I swear the cannabis industry is just getting ridiculous with all this overpriced equipment. And then many people think they can spend their way to a good grow but neglect one of the most important aspects of growing. How to grow a damn plant. Thousands of dollars and hours of watching youtube videos and many end up in the Marijuana Plant Problems section with nasty crapped out plants burnt to a crisp from their $500 collection of designer bottled nutrients, six inch auto's already flowering, etc... under their $1200 light.

It's a fucking joke. I grow more and better weed with my cheap $500 2 tent, T5 and HPS lights than many do after spending thousands of dollars. Nobody is ever going to convince me that a typical grower just growing for their own personal stash needs to spend the kind of money some people are spending. The "You have to spend money to get the best" argument is just foolish. I've grown better plants just from sticking a damn seed in a pot outside and watering it with a hose than many that fiddle around with every worthless gadget they can get.

The cannabis grow industry is all marketing. They target those that don't know any better and do a good job of getting people to pay ridiculous prices.
 

MFL

Member
Don't get me wrong I've a an ai3 coming my way to test. I got some other commercial buddies that run them and they are monsters. I have the Aries coming too for home use.
Get it king! it’s not a bad platform by any means, you just need the requisite ceiling height of like 9 or so feet to take full advantage of them which most tents or grow spaces can’t really accommodate. Otherwise, that’s a lot of money for a light just to run it at 50%. That said, there may be power savings compared to the status quo LEDs, but I’m not sure you’ll see an improvement in yields in the same space provided by a grow tent. These lights need a big ass canopy space to really do their magic.
 

MidnightSun72

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Get it king! it’s not a bad platform by any means, you just need the requisite ceiling height of like 9 or so feet to take full advantage of them which most tents or grow spaces can’t really accommodate. Otherwise, that’s a lot of money for a light just to run it at 50%. That said, there may be power savings compared to the status quo LEDs, but I’m not sure you’ll see an improvement in yields in the same space provided by a grow tent. These lights need a big ass canopy space to really do their magic.
Tents definitely get the job done. But nothing like the luxury of walking around without smashing your head into lights or even coming close. Also high bay multi fixture arrangement allow for really even par spread because the overlap really helps average out the PPFD.

Gavita explains a bit on "lighting the room" rather than lighting the plants individually.
 

MFL

Member
Tents definitely get the job done. But nothing like the luxury of walking around without smashing your head into lights or even coming close. Also high bay multi fixture arrangement allow for really even par spread because the overlap really helps average out the PPFD.

Gavita explains a bit on "lighting the room" rather than lighting the plants individually.
Tents do work but it takes an advanced grower to really put them to work. Most are just hard lessons for novice growers I’d guess that at least half of the tent growers out there tap out within a year.
 

jonnynobody

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Who in their right mind would pay $10,000 for that? I swear the cannabis industry is just getting ridiculous with all this overpriced equipment. And then many people think they can spend their way to a good grow but neglect one of the most important aspects of growing. How to grow a damn plant. Thousands of dollars and hours of watching youtube videos and many end up in the Marijuana Plant Problems section with nasty crapped out plants burnt to a crisp from their $500 collection of designer bottled nutrients, six inch auto's already flowering, etc... under their $1200 light.

It's a fucking joke. I grow more and better weed with my cheap $500 2 tent, T5 and HPS lights than many do after spending thousands of dollars. Nobody is ever going to convince me that a typical grower just growing for their own personal stash needs to spend the kind of money some people are spending. The "You have to spend money to get the best" argument is just foolish. I've grown better plants just from sticking a damn seed in a pot outside and watering it with a hose than many that fiddle around with every worthless gadget they can get.

The cannabis grow industry is all marketing. They target those that don't know any better and do a good job of getting people to pay ridiculous prices.
On point. I think their only market are commercial operators with more cash than knowledge. Maybe that's why most commercial dispensary pot I've had a chance to smoke is total junk. I remember when Illinois legalized pot. A bunch of retired cops and people from the pharmaceutical industry jumped aboard and started commercial grow operations as soon as they could. Multi million dollar facilities, clean rooms, drying rooms, veg rooms, flower rooms, processing rooms, labor for employees, licensing, taxes, etc. And these people to this day in Illinois grow nothing but low quality trash. The state of Illinois basically priced small time growers completely out of the game. Basically anyone that knew what the fuck they were doing. Great idea, right? Anyone interested had to have something like $500,000 in liquid assets on top of an absurd application fee that was something like $25k in addition to numerous other red tape regulations that ensured the average citizen had no chance to participate in the new industry. I'd be willing to bet every one of those multi million dollar facilities has an array of $3,000 lights throughout, and they still grow trash pot that nobody wants to buy.

What I'm really trying to say here is I think I need to start selling LED grow lights. Sorry. My mind wanders :)
 

xtsho

Well-Known Member
On point. I think their only market are commercial operators with more cash than knowledge. Maybe that's why most commercial dispensary pot I've had a chance to smoke is total junk. I remember when Illinois legalized pot. A bunch of retired cops and people from the pharmaceutical industry jumped aboard and started commercial grow operations as soon as they could. Multi million dollar facilities, clean rooms, drying rooms, veg rooms, flower rooms, processing rooms, labor for employees, licensing, taxes, etc. And these people to this day in Illinois grow nothing but low quality trash. The state of Illinois basically priced small time growers completely out of the game. Basically anyone that knew what the fuck they were doing. Great idea, right? Anyone interested had to have something like $500,000 in liquid assets on top of an absurd application fee that was something like $25k in addition to numerous other red tape regulations that ensured the average citizen had no chance to participate in the new industry. I'd be willing to bet every one of those multi million dollar facilities has an array of $3,000 lights throughout, and they still grow trash pot that nobody wants to buy.

What I'm really trying to say here is I think I need to start selling LED grow lights. Sorry. My mind wanders :)
If you're a good grower then those lights might make a difference. I just see so many posts from first time growers that went spend crazy with everything but forgot to bother with the most important thing. Learning how to actually grow a plant. Some of these new guys are buying the most expensive lights, nutrients, equipment, etc... for a 4x4 tent grow for personal use. Then they overwater, overfeed, fiddle faddle with this that and another thing. First grow goes to hell so the next thing they do is switch nutrient brands, buy more products, but fail to take the time to learn the basics of how a plant grows.

Hell, it seems like there are several posts a day from some grower that spent 8 times as much as I have on equipment posting pictures of what's obviously a male plant asking "Is this a male or female?". If you can't even identify whether a plant is male or female then why the hell did you buy an $800 light?

Some states intentionally made it restrictive for people to actually enter the legal market. The well connected were already making deals long before legalization took effect.
 

jonnynobody

Well-Known Member
If you're a good grower then those lights might make a difference. I just see so many posts from first time growers that went spend crazy with everything but forgot to bother with the most important thing. Learning how to actually grow a plant. Some of these new guys are buying the most expensive lights, nutrients, equipment, etc... for a 4x4 tent grow for personal use. Then they overwater, overfeed, fiddle faddle with this that and another thing. First grow goes to hell so the next thing they do is switch nutrient brands, buy more products, but fail to take the time to learn the basics of how a plant grows.

Hell, it seems like there are several posts a day from some grower that spent 8 times as much as I have on equipment posting pictures of what's obviously a male plant asking "Is this a male or female?". If you can't even identify whether a plant is male or female then why the hell did you buy an $800 light?

Some states intentionally made it restrictive for people to actually enter the legal market. The well connected were already making deals long before legalization took effect.
A most righteous and perfectly accurate rant. Nicely done sir. The most expensive thing I bought when I first started was a $190 secret garden dr120. That little puppy was only 3x3 or 4x4 if I remember right. It was very tight, but I was on cloud 9 with my fancy new grow tent. My 600w hps was donated from a generous former caregiver of my wife's. I think all in I spent maybe $500 to start. It seems like people try to buy their way into growing good dope. If those people grew at least a few tomato plants before starting growing dope they'd not only be better at growing dope from the get go but they'd also shop more intelligently for their grow gear.
 

Lordhooha

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Get it king! it’s not a bad platform by any means, you just need the requisite ceiling height of like 9 or so feet to take full advantage of them which most tents or grow spaces can’t really accommodate. Otherwise, that’s a lot of money for a light just to run it at 50%. That said, there may be power savings compared to the status quo LEDs, but I’m not sure you’ll see an improvement in yields in the same space provided by a grow tent. These lights need a big ass canopy space to really do their magic.
Nah I got plenty of height.
 

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