Flushing not necessary

BluffinCali

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Ive used a small layer of large rocks to help with drainage for outdoors, couldnt really tell a big difference so I havent done it for awhile, but I think for me its kind of a learned habit that plants need to be flushed. Last year we had a real bad storm 2nd-3rd wk of october and I had to chop about 10days early with just one straight watering, seemed like the smell took longer to bring back, but wasnt very noticeable difference. Just the idea that I want my plants to use as much stored nutrients as possible before chop, seems to keep me in the standard flushing ritual, maybe I need to experiment. Ive for sure heard many different methods of flushing for outdoors, from some sort of stripper until last water, to feeding right up to one last massive flooding...maybe I'll try the rock layer again this year in a few pits.
 

PANGcake

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I use BioBizz whole line of nutrients for soil. The manufacturer recomends flushing last week and no nutrients added. I dont think the manufacturer would recomend a flush unless they feel its necessary, I mean they would make more money telling people to use nutes all the way up till harvest. I flush and use no nutes last week....u can feel the smell of the ganja gets "clearer" last week. I dont want to stress my plants though...so first I do a regular watering w PH'd water only, then I flush day or two later, for last 5-7 days.

//CaL
 

MrBaker

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I use BioBizz whole line of nutrients for soil. The manufacturer recomends flushing last week and no nutrients added. I dont think the manufacturer would recomend a flush unless they feel its necessary, I mean they would make more money telling people to use nutes all the way up till harvest. I flush and use no nutes last week....u can feel the smell of the ganja gets "clearer" last week. I dont want to stress my plants though...so first I do a regular watering w PH'd water only, then I flush day or two later, for last 5-7 days.

//CaL
If BioBizz recommends flushing during the last week, do they also recommend to feed every week?

In general, I think a lot of people overfeed, aka feed every week. Maybe that's necessary if growing in an inert growing medium, or in one that doesn't contain amendments. Heck, even then those plants must be eating a lot to be fed weekly.

I don't get how starving a plant makes it taste better.
 

PANGcake

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If BioBizz recommends flushing during the last week, do they also recommend to feed every week?

In general, I think a lot of people overfeed, aka feed every week. Maybe that's necessary if growing in an inert growing medium, or in one that doesn't contain amendments. Heck, even then those plants must be eating a lot to be fed weekly.

I don't get how starving a plant makes it taste better.
Yes they recomend use of their nutes with every watering...it's just fine and they grow good. I have noticed for my Bubblegums that the week 6 on BioBizz chart is a bit heavy to my ladies, may vary from strain to strain. U dont starve the plant...by flushing it u get rid of sediment build ups and make the plant use up all the nutes within the plant itself, i.e no nutes left when u harvest hence no tastes of the nutes. Thats why u flush...some people say u dont need to when using organic, but I can tell the difference flushing or not, using BioBizz organic nutrients.
 

MrBaker

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Yes they recomend use of their nutes with every watering...it's just fine and they grow good. I have noticed for my Bubblegums that the week 6 on BioBizz chart is a bit heavy to my ladies, may vary from strain to strain. U dont starve the plant...by flushing it u get rid of sediment build ups and make the plant use up all the nutes within the plant itself, i.e no nutes left when u harvest hence no tastes of the nutes. Thats why u flush...some people say u dont need to when using organic, but I can tell the difference flushing or not, using BioBizz organic nutrients.
First, I'd like to say no matter what you're doing, if it gives you bomb buds I'm happy for you. Seriously.

Onto the argument. What kind of sediment is building up if the micro-fauna and the systems in the medium are working properly? That's my question. My other question involves how excess nutes stored in the plant can be driven off during drying/curing.

I don't use BioBizz products so I suppose I really can't comment on sediment build up.

By Starving I meant forcing the plant to use up any amount of stored nutrients. Maybe feeding every week causes the plant to take in and store more nutrients, or something. As far as I know, flowers are not a place where plants sequester excess nutrients. Fruits sure, roots/tubers yeah, and maybe one could argue that nectar in flowers could constitute storage, but last I checked buds don't have nectar.
 

BarbwirE

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hmm. i need to switch to organic. whats a good organic for soil grows?
other than fox farms. something the local nursery would have. like guano or whatever animal shit lol. id rather ask here than at the nursery. :eyesmoke:
Bio-Canna ALL THE WAY!!! The stuff really is idiot proof and you almost don't even have to know what you're doing to get AMAZING results. I live in Western WA, and that's what I use. It's superb! :bigjoint: And you don't have to flush OR measure your PH. It's great. Check it out, it's worth the extra penny.
 

</blunted>

Active Member
I'm also happy for anyone that is able to get their buds grown in this crazy world where a plant is illegal. Crazy, crazy shit!

Flushing is another topic where we have non-scientists making anecdotal observations without any control group. Again, it's a GOOD thing that you are getting what you want, and that you care enough to optimize. It's all about the love.

Want to really know? Grow three clones out, flush one for 3 weeks, one for the final week, and let the final one get fed until chop. Cure the buds, don't sample them until they are done. Let someone else label them for you so you don't know which is which and smoke some bowls. Do the same for your friend. Record your observations. Spoiler alert: the three week flushed plant will be slightly less flavorful and less potent, but the biggest difference will be it's lower yield. The other two plants.... you won't be able to tell the difference in a blind test. Flushing organics is simply unnecessary.

and, BTW, BioBIZZ (great stuff) probably tells you not to use it the last week because it's just not needed anymore (there is plenty of residual nutrient available for the diminished need at this point).
 

taylormade

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I use Bio canna nutes and i flush all nutes out a couple of weeks before harvest and then feed just plain water. Last time when i cut a few branches off without flushing i could definetly taste the nutes. That fertilizer in the bottle smells like marmite. I was worried all my crop would taste like it but other plants that were flushed and the stuff was lovely.
Even when my mate flushed his exept for the bio boost it didnt taste right.
 

surfguy805

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Okay everybody, I went to my grow guru and asked the same question, about skipping the leaching
There appearantly is a difference between leaching & flushing. Also the two terms get mixed up alot. What abudsmoker is referring to is called flushing.

Leaching on the other hand is the practice of stopping yr nutes two weeks prior to harvest.

Leeching is done for a couple of reasons, first it can flush out excess salt and mineral buildup. Second is that it is useful for flushing out other organic waste products in the medium that are introduced by the roots and microrganisms. Third it can refresh stagnant voids in the medium(areas that are either wet or dry spots, or devoid of oxygen, deviant ph, etc).
Organic nutes are not as heavily derived from salts and thus that need is reduced however the other advantages still apply and perhaps more so since organic growing fosters a thriving herd of microorganisms in the medium, and ph flutuation is more common.

Pre Harvest Flush is usually cited as being necessary to use up or flush the mobile nutrients N,P,K,Mg and to restrict the immobile nutes resulting in a finished product with fewer chemicals resulting in a better quality smoke.
The key here is really not to create a difficiency of immobile or mobile nutes during the flush, thus the use of mollases, but instead to create a tapering off so that after 7-10 days the plant is right at the end of its resources for harvesting. Flushing too long and without supplying immobile nutrients can result in stunted finishin. Flushing is a good practice with both organic and chemy nutes. It takes practice to get the timing just right, and once again strains differ widely. If your plant is dark green at harvest you have probably have not got it right, and if the leaves are all falling off you have probably gone too long.

In spite of all this, I did use my nutes up til harvest and noticed no adverse effects, who knows what I'll try this time...


Peace
ACTUALLY,
Leaching is not stopping your nutes, and rather leaching and flushing can be used almost interchangebly.
Leacing is used more in a negative connonation in farms when a nutreint is being lost due to regular watering

flushing is washing out excessive nutrients on purpose, and it is sometimes said that "by flushing, the excessive nutrients are leached out"

From gov ag site "As water drains from sandy soils, it often carries nutrients along with it. This condition is called leaching."


From agriculture dictionary- Definition
noun
the loss of nutrients from the soil caused by water flowing through it, which deprives the soil of nutrients and may pollute water courses

As for the molasses you have it a little confused. molasses has lots of potassium to make plants function and provide a whole bunch of metabolism process their energy, but thats a whole other discussion

Molasses actually provides your plants with a "carbo load" as advanced nutrients likes to call it.
Molasses also feeds your beneficial microbes-bacteria, fungus etc.
Molasses is always good to add but can keep plants alive well during flush by providing carbs and potassium (k) and many micro nutrients.

From a garden website:
"For gardeners, blackstrap molasses (unsulphered) is the best choice because it is the most nutritionally valuable of the various types of molasses since it contains the greatest concentration of sulfur, potash, iron, and micronutrients from the original cane material. So it's not just the sugar content that makes molasses useful, but its trace minerals.

Molasses is also an excellent chelating agent, which means that it can help convert some chemical nutrients into a form that's easily available for organisms and plants to use.
People get confused on all this mumbo jumbo but look at some science and definitions before claiming facts"

Hope that clears things up for everybody, especially videoman
 

Cannabis Krew 420

Active Member
but from my limited experience I know that most organic fertlizer envolves dung of some kind doesn't the idea of flushing the dung out sound like a good idea?

I dont know if its just me.
lol exacctly! it is necessary i want that poop gone,

this year i flushed with molasses on some plants for 1 week and the other plants molasses and plain water for 3 weeks, the plants that flushed for 3 weeks were wayyyy smoother than the others.... So yes its necessary, just as important as curing
 

OldGrowth420

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Great thread, we need some more old timers in here giving us there opinions. Where are the old Over Grow members?
 

ashleyroachclip

Active Member
I'm a Botanicare Pure Blend Pro user in a soilless mix and I also have to flush my pots every month or so to clear out the salts, otherwise I start having problems. I typically cut the nutes in half 3 weeks before harvest, then 1-2 weeks of ph adjusted water only until harvest, done mainly to stress the plants, force them to use up the remaining nutes and make them preserve themselves a bit before I cut them down. I read elsewhere on here about leaving them in the dark for 48 hour before harvest as well to further stress them and increase the THC levels. Never tried that but am going to this time.
 

mellokitty

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my vote for flushing, in any medium/method, every time. my impression, after a number of side-by-side experiments, is that it kickstarts the finishing process (when it goes from flower growth to hardening). not that unflushed buds don't harden up, but there's certainly a noticeable difference, i find.

i've heard that decreasing the dosage gradually before straight ph'ed water will help the ladies 'spend' the 'leachables' more efficiently than just switching to water, and it was explained to me in a technical fashion that made a lot of sense at the time, but that was years ago now and i've never been very good at theory (more of a hands-on kinda gal)... and then of course there's that short-term memory thingy.... ;)
 

NietzscheKeen

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I notice there are quite a few people in this thread giving advice, but they only have 12 posts in 5 years...
Granted this does not point to expertise nor to non-expertise, but it makes me leery of taking such advice.

I'm growing in soil IN THE GROUND. Using mostly organic soil amendments; koolbloom is the only non-organic fertilizer I'm using.
I'm planning on "flushing" the last couple of weeks. By flushing I mean, no added nutrients to the water, a recommended amount of a flushing solution and will water deeply. In addition, I've added a large percentage of perlite and vermiculite to the soil to help with some form of drainage.

Any other suggestions? I just want to have the best tasting product possible. Is there anything I can add, organic or non, that will help improve flavor and burn?
 

hotrodharley

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lol exacctly! it is necessary i want that poop gone,

this year i flushed with molasses on some plants for 1 week and the other plants molasses and plain water for 3 weeks, the plants that flushed for 3 weeks were wayyyy smoother than the others.... So yes its necessary, just as important as curing
How long have you grown?
 
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