FLUSHING before harvest... BS or not?

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Flagg420

Flagg420

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.....Dirt problems. Ha!

I still 'flush' my plants, but only so far as the last 2 days (3 if I am lazy @ harvest time) filling res w/ plain RO water....

Sure the whole 'cure for 2 months and you don't have to flush' thing sounds great.....

...for anyone whos got 2 spare months to wait before smoking the cannabis they just spent 3-5months growing anyhow..... But as I am limited on the quantity I keep on hand, I am not about to leave it laying around for an entire flower cycle....

A lot of members here forget, not everyone grows by the ton, and many of us are growing for personal use....
 
superbak3d

superbak3d

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Ask Limpy said:
Your not flushing it out, your flushing the soil or medium leaving the plant only clean water to uptake for the last two weeks giving it no choice but to use up whatever remaining salts are built up in the plant but hey I'm just a stupid one here, all good, this is an old argument and everyone knows that thier right, to each thier own,if your happy by all means don't flush.
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That's not how it works.

Once the plants uptakes nutrients, they stay there and get broken down. Period. No amount of flushing or feeding with clean water will remove them.

It seems you're under the impression nutrients are "stored" within the plant and to be used later on. This is beyond false. Plants are not warehouses.

When you feed (with anything synthetic), it gets consumed and used IMMEDIATELY. It doesn't sit there waiting to be used. Consumption is instant.

So again, please explain how flushing your medium removes nutrients already consumed and broken down by the plant?

Stop with this "if you're happy what does it matter" bullshit. That is nothing but a cop out statement by someone who refuses to admit he's wrong despite the fact you've been provided a handful of evidence.

Did you join RIU to learn or did you just come here to be an ignorant fuck that ignores the science?
 
superbak3d

superbak3d

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Flagg420 said:
.....Dirt problems. Ha!

I still 'flush' my plants, but only so far as the last 2 days (3 if I am lazy @ harvest time) filling res w/ plain RO water....

Sure the whole 'cure for 2 months and you don't have to flush' thing sounds great.....

...for anyone whos got 2 spare months to wait before smoking the cannabis they just spent 3-5months growing anyhow..... But as I am limited on the quantity I keep on hand, I am not about to leave it laying around for an entire flower cycle....

A lot of members here forget, not everyone grows by the ton, and many of us are growing for personal use....
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This makes no sense.

You can smoke your buds after the 7 days of drying. Who said you couldn't?

Curing just brings out the tastes and aromas of your buds. By no means does that mean you have to sit there for 2 months staring at your jars of weed without being able to smoke it.
 
superbak3d

superbak3d

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RM3 said:
this is actually false, you should google sinks in plants
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I probably should clarify.

But correct me if I'm wrong, but don't plant sinks usually only store starch, sugar, and water?

I don't recall them storing nutrients like NPK. If you slam your plant with a high PK dosage it's not going to "store" it. This is why we get nutrient burns.

Yes some stuff is stored in the plant, but really it's just sugar and water.

He is claiming synthetic nutrients remain stored IN THE BUDS! And those nutrients get used when you cut off all access to nutrients via growing medium.
 
RM3

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superbak3d said:
I probably should clarify.

But correct me if I'm wrong, but don't plant sinks usually only store starch, sugar, and water?

I don't recall them storing nutrients like NPK. If you slam your plant with a high PK dosage it's not going to "store" it. This is why we get nutrient burns.

Yes some stuff is stored in the plant, but really it's just sugar and water.

He is claiming synthetic nutrients remain stored IN THE BUDS! And those nutrients get used when you cut off all access to nutrients via growing medium.
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Tis the often misunderstood part of the story LOL

but yeppers nutes in are converted to sugars and starches and then used or stored

there are never any actual nutes in the buds and the reduction of sugars and starches is all about the curing process
 
nohibition

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Most connoisseurs wouldn't water cure if you paid them but I water cure my personal *meds* and anything I cook with. Try this if you think flushing doesn't work.
Don't flush your weed
Dry/cure for 10 days (I don't do this, I go straight into water, it's just to show you what remains in your weed)
Then water cure and smell the water after the first day (first water change) the water is dark brown and the smell will make you puke.
With each successive day the water gets clearer
After seven days the water is clear and has no smell.
Now air dry and puff away
The bud is now smaller and has a very dark color and much of the smell/taste has disappeared however 100% of the THC remains so the pot IS more potent by weight.
You can just air dry/cure some for recreational so you can enjoy and benefit from all those terpinoids and flavinoids.
Anything water cured doesn't have to be flushed imho.
I've been challenged on this by friends and made them believers.

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superbak3d

superbak3d

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RM3 said:
Tis the often misunderstood part of the story LOL

but yeppers nutes in are converted to sugars and starches and then used or stored

there are never any actual nutes in the buds and the reduction of sugars and starches is all about the curing process
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Yea. That's what I am trying to explain to him.

Claiming "salts" remain stored in the plant, which is just silly. Once the nutrients are mixed with water and hit the soil, they're not really salts anymore.

Which brings us right back to the flushing. How does one flush salts out of their plant when plants don't store salts!!!
 
Ask Limpy

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superbak3d said:
I probably should clarify.

But correct me if I'm wrong, but don't plant sinks usually only store starch, sugar, and water?

I don't recall them storing nutrients like NPK. If you slam your plant with a high PK dosage it's not going to "store" it. This is why we get nutrient burns.

Yes some stuff is stored in the plant, but really it's just sugar and water.

He is claiming synthetic nutrients remain stored IN THE BUDS! And those nutrients get used when you cut off all access to nutrients via growing medium.
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NO I said the nutes you just fed are being used thru the entire plant to make energy. The plants uptake system isn't a fucking straw, the uptake and breakdown process is not instant but you have all the answers and down to name calling now, and here I thought this was a mature community, let your colors shine , you mad bro.
 
Dr. Who

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since1991 said:
This^^^^ is why it has become "gospel". No one knows really why. Know one really knows how. But everyone does it so i should too. Its bullshit. I remember the thread years ago on Overgrow.com where it all started....and its bullshit.
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Two old hippies sitting on a hill passing a doob and one looks to the other and says. "Well, we got it dry in 6 days and it's not so bad, you think?" Grower #2 replies, "Not bad but kinda harsh and tastes chemically. Look how it runs and has a funny black ash.. We need to figure out how to make it taste and burn better. Ya know?"

Yup! Hmm, chemmy taste and funky burning???? I KNOW!! Lets try pouring like 3X the pot size in gallons of water through the dirt the plants are in! That will wash out all those nasty chemicals, aren't they "salt's" like anyway !? It will get all those bad things out of the plant you know !! Man that will make it taste better and shit man, it'll burn better too, because those chems MUST be what makes it burn shitty too!" says #1 in reply.

DUDE! YOUR A FUCKING GENIUS! Now lets get these stems together so we can boil them and then use the water to make wine with those grapes over there! That'll taste great and get us real fucked up you think?

and the BS simply continues on today......Don't forget to foliar with spooge and water with Mtn dew for bigger buds and more trichomes!
 
superbak3d

superbak3d

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Ask Limpy said:
NO I said the nutes you just fed are being used thru the entire plant to make energy. The plants uptake system isn't a fucking straw, the uptake and breakdown process is not instant but you have all the answers and down to name calling now, and here I thought this was a mature community, let your colors shine , you mad bro.
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Oh so now the plant breaks down nutrients?

So now you're flip flopping and going back on your own claims.

Since you've just admitted to the plant breaking down and processing salts before transferring them throughout the plant. Explain to us again, how flushing removes broken down and processed salts in the plant?
 
kmog33

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THE KONASSURE said:
I think in DWC

using just water for the last 2 to 4 weeks, can save a load on plant food but also you can get crazy ph swings

I`d keep a barrel of stable water for putting the plants in for the last few days, means I could clean up what they were in and get the next plant moved over

I`m all for using less food near the end to save money so long as nothing bad happens because of it

but people using just water, I`m not sure if that was started because of all the salts and buffers a lot of 1 and 2 part liquid feeds have in them ?

Most of the stuff that`s not "hard water" or "soft water" or self ph`ing, that stuff seems to be fine

but some foods have boost`s pgr`s and salts and all kinds of buffers in them, not using them for the last 2 to 4 weeks or at all might make weed taste better

but sugar, molasses and honey always makes it taste better in coco and keeps the bugs in the root zone

Don`t think doing sugar water in DWC would last very long think you`d get rot in 2 to 10 days


As for the aspirin, it actually helps plants yellow their leaves faster and can be used as a root stim

I like it for when a plant is close to finish but most of the leaves or all of them are still green

add some aspirin and they suck up the fan leaves and put that sugar in the buds, depends how a plant looks as to weather or not I use it, if it`s all yellowed up already then you can just chop it at night normally no real need to flush, I try not to give any "boosts" for 2 to 4 weeks some stuff 6 weeks before the end, even seaweed extract and such I don`t like to "waste" on the last 4 to 6 weeks, plus we use large sacks so I`m sure it takes a few feeds of sugar water before the coco is out of nutes, and also all the bennies we use must be turning that sugar into some good stuff for the plants

also sugar means the microbes in your rootzone and make extra co2

and probably flushing with silicone would give you more CBA during the last weeks that would give you more thc after chop/cure, but you never see any one say in coco and hydro that silicone flush is key, lol
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If you flashed dwc for a month your plants would be white lol. 2 weeks with straight water in dwc you'd lose most of your color and the bids wouldn't fill out.


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nohibition

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The best way to find out is personal experimentation. The proof is in the puddin'. I've cropped many times without flushing and no one noticed. The water curing (osmosis) does pull a lot of fowl smelling stuff out of my weed. I don't know what it is but seeing is believing. Your meds, your body, your choice.

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kmog33

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Ask Limpy said:
NO I said the nutes you just fed are being used thru the entire plant to make energy. The plants uptake system isn't a fucking straw, the uptake and breakdown process is not instant but you have all the answers and down to name calling now, and here I thought this was a mature community, let your colors shine , you mad bro.
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The plants breaking down of nutrients is not instant, but it's water and nutrient uptake are, more or less, exactly like a straw lol. That's why when you water an under watered plant they recover super quick. Ever seen hollow stems...;) Looks like a straw to me. Dwc you also notice changes you make pretty much instantaneously. Salt buildup and lockout in soil effects this and is why you'll see slower reaction to your nutrient solution changes generally. Means the soil is fucked already lol. I really wish people would just figure out how to use nutrients and regimens correctly rather than thinking flushing out salt buildup due to your grower error is beneficial to the plant because of the action, not the reason.

If you nute the shit out of your plants and have crazy salt buildup you absolutely should flush your soil(not plants) to get rid of excess salts. But the idea of flushing a plant is pretty silly. Plants only take what they need from a balanced nutrient solution. And they definitely won't give you nutrients back. Lol. They won't take more or less unless you have over saturated nutrients or aren't feeding them.

I'm going to reference fruits here because I've never heard of anyone flushing fruits ever. And if you can't taste Chems in tomatoes or strawberries when you eat them and they aren't bad for you, I see no basis for the flushing argument with healthy, well-maintained plants.




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Honey Oil Riot Squad

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Lmao
As op, i've decided this thread is now for silly memes bc it's just too long to read and it's the same things getting posted over and over again.
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As we see here on this one, we have Donald. But look closely and notice his eyes are actually his lips photoshopped over his actual eyes.

How fun is that??????

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nohibition

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In the interest of discussion,not argument. My understanding of why to flush is that the plants use up all the nutrients they have "stored" and are left with only water as they finish. They aren't flushed, they're starved.

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