flushed too early

Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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althor said:
No doubt we need more tests. We have been severely limited in that ability due to legal issues. We are approaching a new time in learning.
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There are things to be taken from that study. However, the plants in the study were feed increased amounts of N through out the grow. This points to the fact that overfeed plants do not produce well, quality wise or yield for that matter (for our purpose). So much for the "hard push" and yellow out of highly increased P&K too!
Growing formulations of nutrients are made to include a reduction of N in bloom. Unfortunately, the majority of nutrient makers are reducing that N ratio and increasing the P&K too early.

The biggest thing to understand is that they do not increase N in any way that would effect that "loss" of THC as in RM3's post on Jack's NPK value's!

The OP has found the paradox of running soil too long with out feeding.....If you read my last explanation of what happened to him you would understand what I speak of.

In the end, yes too much N will lower D9 THC BUT, what about the other THC components? D8 (the majority, by far, of the measured THC) is decarbed as we smoke it and that forms the transition to D9 and that's what we get high off from. On that note it has been discovered that certain terps effect the high also! What does that mean? I for one work on enhancing trich's and terp's!
Might as well go for broke!

The point being that consistently reducing the N throughout the bloom period does get to be a problem also! The "good" nutrient makers do that for you!

The idea that a further reduction by the so called "flush" will do "good" and keep THC levels high is,,,,,absurd!

Don't be fooled by a single study and misinterpret it! Keep feeding till done.....your not adding "extra or elevating" N levels!!
 
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Cyrus420

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RM3 said:
I take just as much crap for boiling as the flushing folks do for flushing, funny thing is my method is backed by science and I have honestly never cared what folks do to their plants. My problem with the whole debate (all of em actually) is teaching this mythical nonsense to the new growers that come here to learn.

In the end this is no different than all the nonsense that folks believe and hold onto, just another societal wedge to keep the masses at odds with each other. Not as bad as the Earth is only 6000 years old and the site benefits from the traffic of the ongoing daily debates that seem to never end.

Thankfully the pendulum is swinging the right way and commonsense and logic are winning as more folks learn the truth
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I read up on the boiling roots in your flushing post and I'm guessing you do this for the fermentation or whatever that drowning the plant causes? Does boiling the roots do this? i read the whole post and didn't see anything about boiling roots.
 
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cohokiller

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kindnug said:
How many + what wattage CFL you using to produce half pounds?
I have a tester tent(3x3) with 1x 315 lec that produces 11oz minimum.

Which plant is in the pics? white widow bagseed?
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Im using 500 watts of CFL, 18 bulbs, 5x 42 watt the rest 23-18 watts. The half pound is an estimate, this is my first grow, but I figure since yielded over 80 dry grams from the 5 early harvested plants, the 8 that are left will put me over a half pound if they produce on the same scale (which they should surpass being more mature & bigger)
 
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cohokiller

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kindnug said:
I've always wondered what makes people want to use CFL's, instead of HID.
Some people claim they produce less heat, but it's not true if we're talking about the same amount of watts as an HID light.

Gotta start somewhere though, and it doesn't get any cheaper than CFL's.
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I went with CFL's because this was a first grow trial run to see if I could actually produce anything worth smoking. By the time my next grow flowers I will have an HID but still use the CFL's for veg
 
Dr. Who

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cohokiller said:
I agree, my friend doesn't flush his weed and it tastes like asshole, makes me cough and leaves black shit in my mucus. The weed looks and smells great. Don't listen to these misinformation shills, flush your fucking weed. These cunts probably don't flush their weed because they are selling it and get more weight by going with nutes all the way till the end, not giving a fuck what others are smoking
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It's all in the cure! DRY and CURE determine all that! Take a trip to a cigar tobacco plantation and ask the grower about it! Now ask the cigar makers curing facility manager. They all say that what we propose to do with the "flush" is simply wrong. You MUST control the humidity and the longer the cure time the better it gets! I run a minimum of 30 to try it and 60 to shelf it for sale....I've run 90 days and found that even better!
The thing is. Will you be PATIENT enough to do it and do it right?

I've taken trips to some of the worlds finest cigar manufacturers, toured their operations and spoken to the managers at every level.
I once asked a grower for La Flour Dominica, while standing in his field, if and how they flushed. As he got the translation, a very confused look came over his face and he looked at me and said, "What ever for". That was the beginning of me asking the managers of the curing facilities, just what the dry and cure does, and how they do it! I NEVER FLUSHED AGAIN!

It should be noted that in every study out there on the brain and how it works. If you give the brain a task to "find" a difference. It will find one. Even if the items given to "test",,,,are exactly the same! From foods to paint colors - so then. that would include the taste in MM!

As far as the dif twixt hydro and soil - that's easy, it does exist!

Learn to pay as much attention to your dry and cure as your grow, maybe even MORE, and you will be rewarded!
(I know tyke - you will always "flush"....Please, feel free to do so!)
But do what makes YOU happy!
 
RM3

RM3

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Cyrus420 said:
I read up on the boiling roots in your flushing post and I'm guessing you do this for the fermentation or whatever that drowning the plant causes? Does boiling the roots do this? i read the whole post and didn't see anything about boiling roots.
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Yeppers, I reuse my medium, have been on the same bail of peat now for 6 years, so the first thing it does is cleans & sterilizes the medium. The 2nd thing it does is cause a fast fade, 3 to 5 days instead of 7 to 14 days (like most do with flushing) and the 3rd it does is to start the fermentation process which speeds up the cure. Fresh dried bud smokes like it has a 10 day jar cure.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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cohokiller said:
80 grams out of 5 plants mean that since I have 13 plants total I'm going to get over a half pound. The 5 plants I harvest were the smallest weakest ones only receiving side lighting so I could get my numbers down to start my outdoor grow legally. And the 80 was after I smoked a shitload of it before it fully cured. So yeah, for some fucking cfl bulbs in a closet on my first grow, i fuckin like it cunt. My next indoor grow totally annihilate your puny little autoflowering LED box
And I guarantee your bottled fertilizer has chemicals, they are made at a chemical processing plant. I worked at advanced nutrients a few years ago and saw the bags of chemicals produced at a local chemical plant and refused to get the shit on me. Have fun smoking all those residual chemicals and coughing up black shit (oh wait you probably dont even smoke your nutrient overloaded garbage)
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You NEVER got TO the cure, let alone "fully"!!!
 
RM3

RM3

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cohokiller said:
You don't know shit about what I got to buddy.. this shit smokes and tastes better than the 12 dollar gram shit at the store
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The post you deleted was much better, I don't understand why you would attack experience instead of learning from it? DrWho is a commercial farmer/gardner with over 40 years of experience that owns a dispensary.

Ya gots all this experience in your thread and you ignore and attack it, I guess that you'll never learn about the ooze 8)
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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cohokiller said:
You might be one of those shills, cunt. Because this started when some dumb shit told me not to flush plants. High Times and several other reliable sources suggest flushing and you think I'm going to fall for all this shill misinformation on this site.. HA
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I've been growing longer then you have been alive!
High Times is SO full of shit! I find them to be one of the biggest jokes out there!

Shill misinformation? I TOLD YOU what you did wrong! I TOLD YOU why it did that! I TOLD YOU how to not do it in the next run!

If you don't like the information you requested......LEAVE!

cohokiller said:
Those 3 tiny bananas were easily plucked off, and yeah i've only got 4 seeds out of over an ounce smoked so far (and they were all in one tiny popcorn nug)
3 bananas isn't a hermaphrodite or going to seed a whole grow, moron
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Say's mister first grow professor...It's gone bisexual (The scientific term).

Well, that's enough for me. Your on your own.....only 80grams for how many plants? SHEE-IT! :wall:

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cohokiller

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Dr. Who said:
LOL "Snowflake". Haven't heard that in years!

First pic = upper left - That plant is DONE (dying out) HARVEST it NOW!
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WRONG! That plant has only had the fan leaves trimmed off - still has clear trichomes and sugar leaves are nice and green.

Dr. Who said:
Let me take the time to point out the start of your problem here.

First off, it was not the "flush" that started that problem out!
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Uh, yes it was buddy, plants were completely green before I started flushing.

Dr. Who said:
It's the really high P&K "bloom" nutrients that you started to use too early!
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Wrong again genius. You really think you know it all don't you. I only used 1/4 strength nutes starting in week 4 of flower (not 12/12) and only went to half strength. Think you need to check your crystal ball.
 
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kindnug

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If the sugar leaves turn yellow the taste will be terrible.
Once the big fans yellow up to the cola, it's done whether the trich say so or not.
Grow it better next time + don't starve the plant before it's done.
 
tyke1973

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cohokiller said:
I was hoping to get some amber trichs to get a more sleepy high but I think this will do. 75% cloudy and 3% amber. Think these will be OK to keep going another 5 or so days? Couldn't I just give a light dose of nutes to keep em going till I get amber but light enough to not fuck up the taste

lovely looking bud,i can taste it now,OTE]
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