Flowering half day indoors-half day outdoors-discussion

Hello I’m new here. But have grown decades indoors. Last summer I tried moving my plants inside and out during july and August.

What I am seeing is amazing healthy flowering plants the first 3-4 weeks of flower. the schedule i have them on this summer is 530am - 6pm flower. They wake up indoors under de 1000 lights from 530 until the sunshine comes out which is 830am on a clear morning. So 3.5 hours under lights. Then I carry the plants in 10 gallon containers outside where they stay in sunshine until 6pm. The healthiest plants I’ve grown in my life. They love it. But they do not produce the colas with a firmness and density that I would get growing strictly indoors.
now the question is why is that? Maybe it’s because I had tried flowing outdoors for 12 hours each day but only 9 hours of actual sunshine on the flowering plants? That is why this summer I am filling in the no sunshine hours with lighting.

one peculiarity I’m seeing is the plants flowing in less time outdoors 12 hours vs indoors 12 hours. My plants take 8.5 weeks flowering indoors but seem to finish a week earlier if I use the 12 hour flower outdoors. I flower in June and July and august as I see nothing but cold and damp in late September in the NW.

For people who talk about bugs and pests I use green clean or other organic cleansers and spray the plants every few days. I saw a lot of negative posts of doing what I’m doing with growing the plants indoors and outdoors.

I just want to talk with others who do this. It’s wonderful having them outside.

I dunno, seems like a pain in the ass for a week earlier harvest.
But the plants look great.

That's a LOT of plants to carry in and out. My outside buds can't match the inside ones for density either. The red hairs and trichomes are less too. I usually blame the wind and rain for that but you probably aren't getting a lot of that.
The plants DO look great though.

Nice!

I thought maybe it was late season that caused the flowers to turn hairs red. So that is part of my test flowering in July. Really no difference. It’s only been 10 days since I turned lights on in the morning. That may really help in a few weeks.
The entire plant gets great PAR levels outside where only the top half of plant gets great light indoors. So I’m trying to combine the upper indoor colas with lower branch outside grown. If that made any sense.

my main question still is why are the flowers getting red hairs at 4 weeks flower time? Is it moving them in the containers inside and out each day and night? Inside my flowers should stay all white haired for the first 5 to 6 weeks flower. And when those hairs turn I see the flower stop growing and only builds muscle density on the flower.
It could be a container getting warm issue. I will test it all.

but to those people not wanting to try this. Think of the electricity and carbon reduction by using outdoors sunshine with indoor lights.
All of the back pain and questions are worth it for 3 months. Hopefully. Lol.

dont quote me on it but I'm going to guess it's the tiny bit of stress you are adding by swapping them between microclimates every day. is your inside temps/rh the same as out in your yard?

It could also be caused by products you are spraying if theyre getting on the buds.

I am in the Great PNW myself. And Light Deprivation from mid June until mid September is the Only way to go.... As anyone who has grown in October on an oceanic peninsula will tell bud rot and PM is un avoidable.. Light Deppin' is the only way to go in a very Mediterranean climate such as I. Heres 1 atf strain on a light Depp. I put the other 10 on 12/12 light deprivation a few days ago.

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ThunderDrum said:

I thought maybe it was late season that caused the flowers to turn hairs red. So that is part of my test flowering in July. Really no difference. It’s only been 10 days since I turned lights on in the morning. That may really help in a few weeks.
The entire plant gets great PAR levels outside where only the top half of plant gets great light indoors. So I’m trying to combine the upper indoor colas with lower branch outside grown. If that made any sense.

my main question still is why are the flowers getting red hairs at 4 weeks flower time? Is it moving them in the containers inside and out each day and night? Inside my flowers should stay all white haired for the first 5 to 6 weeks flower. And when those hairs turn I see the flower stop growing and only builds muscle density on the flower.
It could be a container getting warm issue. I will test it all.

but to those people not wanting to try this. Think of the electricity and carbon reduction by using outdoors sunshine with indoor lights.
All of the back pain and questions are worth it for 3 months. Hopefully. Lol.

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Their hairs will fade faster under intense Summer Sunshine, as compared to a indoor HPS or LED. Due to the intensity of the Sun.

It just means they are growing faster. They will throw a few more rounds of white hairs before they finish. Patience grasshopper LOL

I'm getting the concept, just not the in and out.
Put those babies in a lit greenhouse with a blackout cover overnight and you're only moving one item every day.

you ever hear about kids that are encouraged to play outdoors are healthier than sheltered children? same deal

No disagreement there.
I usually have both an indoor and outdoor.
Dragging pots in and out every day gets old quick.

Now the ultimate setup would be like the Arizona Cardinals stadium grass field:

drsaltzman said:

I'm getting the concept, just not the in and out.
Put those babies in a lit greenhouse with a blackout cover overnight and you're only moving one item every day.

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Something like this? I move 10 plants every day at 6 a.m. then again back inside at 6 p.m. In a 12x7 panda tarped 6 mill greenhouse. YES it's a pain in the ass to move a bunch of plants every day. But the end product is Well worth the effort.

drsaltzman said:

No disagreement there.
I usually have both an indoor and outdoor.
Dragging pots in and out every day gets old quick.

Now the ultimate setup would be like the Arizona Cardinals stadium grass field:

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Raiders new stadium does it too. Cool shit.

But is the sunshine more intense? i am not sure. If it were more intense the colas would be more dense with more trichomes like I see indoors.
here is what I see the leafs doing inside vs out. I call them solar panels. Outdoors the leaves on every plant reach for the sky where the leaves under the lights kick back as a more flattened out solar panel. Not drooped. I can see this happen each day. Why are the leaves reaching in a differing manner if they are indoors vs the sunshine. I think inside it isn’t reaching because it’s getting more intense light than the sunshine gives. Or possibly seeing 4 sunshine stars indoors is why those colors are nicer also. Whatever. It’s fun to compare and experiment.
in some cases I have the same strain flowering from the same date. Some inside 100%. Some mixed inside and sun sunshine. And a few that remain outdoors only.

Zephyrs said:

Something like this? I move 10 plants every day at 6 a.m. then again back inside at 6 p.m. In a 12x7 panda tarped 6 mill greenhouse. YES it's a pain in the ass to move a bunch of plants every day. But the end product is Well worth the effort.

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Awesome. September October are too wet.

Here is the leaf reaching for the sky. Under the lights the leaves are flattened out. Maybe just happier outside. Not sure yet.

ThunderDrum said:

But is the sunshine more intense? i am not sure. If it were more intense the colas would be more dense with more trichomes like I see indoors.
here is what I see the leafs doing inside vs out. I call them solar panels. Outdoors the leaves on every plant reach for the sky where the leaves under the lights kick back as a more flattened out solar panel. Not drooped. I can see this happen each day. Why are the leaves reaching in a differing manner if they are indoors vs the sunshine. I think inside it isn’t reaching because it’s getting more intense light than the sunshine gives. Or possibly seeing 4 sunshine stars indoors is why those colors are nicer also. Whatever. It’s fun to compare and experiment.
in some cases I have the same strain flowering from the same date. Some inside 100%. Some mixed inside and sun sunshine. And a few that remain outdoors only.

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Yes Natural Summer Sunshine will out perform any Human made grow light by10X.... The only danger from moving plants inside and out everyday Is strictly Bug related. Spider mites, fungas knats, n the works. If you can counter the bug prob. Wi neem oil, tomato leaf water spray, or even spinoside if ya like your poison.

It also depends on how well the roots are nourished. What determines your bud density and quality is how well their nutrients were distributed throughout the budding cycle and in what concentrations. It's not just the light cycle.. it's how healthy your plants are going into pre flower.