Flower/veg room question.

I recently posted in the design section that i was going to build a 2x6x7 grow cabinet, split at 4 width, giving me two rooms, 2x4 flowering room and 2x2 veg room and clone (upper area) room.

Someone just told me that my design is not efficient and i my dimensions are wrong. My plan was to do a perpetual harvest with 2 plants in 5 gallons pots, they said that the 2x2 veg area will not be enough area to veg two plants in 5 gallon pots for two or more months, and if i wanna reduce pot size and veg time then the 2x4 flower space is not really necessary because i can yield the same in 2x2 with one plant in bigger container and longer veg.
They suggested and i build a 2x4x7 area split into two 2x2 one for veg and one for flower and grow one plant in each. or make the veg room bigger if i want to grow two plants(cannot happen since i have size limitations).

Is that right? A 2x2 cannot hold two vegging plants for 8+ in 5 gallon pots? I am on a budget so it my plan is not efficient i would scale down the cabinet size and spend the money on something more productive.
My plan is to harvest around 250grams each cycle (2-3 months), will a 2x2 area with appropriate lighting and environment be able to put that weight?

You will not see anywhere near 200g per plant without a lot more space. What do you plan to use for lighting?You would be lucky to pull 20g from a plant in a 2x2 ft space...or are the dimensions in meters?

Richard Drysift said:

You will not see anywhere near 200g per plant without a lot more space. What do you plan to use for lighting?You would be lucky to pull 20g from a plant in a 2x2 ft space...or are the dimensions in meters?

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I will be using quantum boards. A plant vegged and trained for 8+ weeks under a qb65, then flowered under a qb96 v2 would produce way more than 20grams in a 2x2 space im sure. But my question is, will the 2x2 be able to handle 8-10 ounces? And would the 2x4 be unnecessary if used to flower two plants in smaller pots vegged for a smaller time?

I want to build the right grow cabinet from the first time since i cannot afford much, and im researching as much as i coul before going ahead and building it

Absolutely not. Not in soil anyway; possibly in a hydro setup. QBs do not penetrate deep canopy; you will need a wider space to run a scrog to hit those numbers. Your cabinet will be good for clones and small plants but may not be sufficient for flowering plants the size you want them to be. My suggestion is if you cannot build a larger grow area then maybe a tent would work better for you at a similar cost of diy-ing a cabinet.

I grow in well made soil, and under well made LED not far from QB specs... and my experience, although slightly strain dependant, is roughly one ounce per gallon of rootball....
I've had some flawless runs that exceeded that, but not many.
It generally takes a 10gal vegged for 6+ weeks from clone, to get a solid half pound.

The other thing, is running any sort of perpetual system, it's going to take quite a few cycles to get things in balance, as far as having the same size plants at every stage, all the time.

It always looks good on paper, but getting it to actually function that way, in perpetuity, is quite a different story.

I'm not trying to discourage the effort, but my experience is that you'll just have to start it up and adjust as necessary.

Took me over 2 years to get a complete system rolling, to get around 8 zips every 2 weeks. Each zone 2 weeks apart.... Four 10gallon 3x3(ish) flower zones, four 10 gallon 3x3 veg zones, 1 rooted clone in a #1 nursery square, and one in the cloner.
At all times.

Probably not the most efficient use of space, the frequency is what I was after.

Richard Drysift said:

Absolutely not. Not in soil anyway; possibly in a hydro setup. QBs do not penetrate deep canopy; you will need a wider space to run a scrog to hit those numbers. Your cabinet will be good for clones and small plants but may not be sufficient for flowering plants the size you want them to be. My suggestion is if you cannot build a larger grow area then maybe a tent would work better for you at a similar cost of diy-ing a cabinet.

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Where i live, a 2x2 tent costs 200$ with shipping and taxes, a 2x4 plywood box costs me 100$. One plant in a big pot scrogged for 8 weeks cant produce 8-10 ounces?

Chip Green said:

I grow in well made soil, and under well made LED not far from QB specs... and my experience, although slightly strain dependant, is roughly one ounce per gallon of rootball....
I've had some flawless runs that exceeded that, but not many.
It generally takes a 10gal vegged for 6+ weeks from clone, to get a solid half pound.

The other thing, is running any sort of perpetual system, it's going to take quite a few cycles to get things in balance, as far as having the same size plants at every stage, all the time.

It always looks good on paper, but getting it to actually function that way, in perpetuity, is quite a different story.

I'm not trying to discourage the effort, but my experience is that you'll just have to start it up and adjust as necessary.

Took me over 2 years to get a complete system rolling, to get around 8 zips every 2 weeks. Each zone 2 weeks apart.... Four 10gallon 3x3(ish) flower zones, four 10 gallon 3x3 veg zones, 1 rooted clone in a #1 nursery square, and one in the cloner.
At all times.

Probably not the most efficient use of space, the frequency is what I was after.

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My plan is to have two 2x2 rooms, one for vegging and one for flowering, i veg for 8-10 weeks depending on how much the flowering plants take to finish and so on.. Given that everything is in check, after a few cycles of trial and error, will 2x2 be able to hold 8-10 ounces?

I've seen grow tents online much lower than $200. Dude says he gets 8oz every two weeks in an established perpetual system. It took this guy years to get there. I'm not saying it cannot be done but your expectations are unrealistic. Hate to discourage you though. Go for it but do yourself a favor and allow more space than 2x2 or 2x4 for flowering. 3x3 might be the sweet spot. Don't worry about yields they come with experience and you gotta start somewhere. Good luck and happy growing

extremophile420 said:

will 2x2 be able to hold 8-10 ounces?

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I know what my 10oz'rs look like, and it is incomprehensible to me to imagine them confined by a 2x2 box...

@extremophile420 did you poke around in the Stealth/micro/ cab growing subforum?

Some absolute wizardry in some of those micro grows....

Chip Green said:

@extremophile420 did you poke around in the Stealth/micro/ cab growing subforum?

Some absolute wizardry in some of those micro grows....

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Thats what made me get my expectations up, i saw guys getting 8-10 ounces in 2x2 spaces amd up to a pound in 2x4 spaces.

Richard Drysift said:

I've seen grow tents online much lower than $200. Dude says he gets 8oz every two weeks in an established perpetual system. It took this guy years to get there. I'm not saying it cannot be done but your expectations are unrealistic. Hate to discourage you though. Go for it but do yourself a favor and allow more space than 2x2 or 2x4 for flowering. 3x3 might be the sweet spot. Don't worry about yields they come with experience and you gotta start somewhere. Good luck and happy growing

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There is no way i can fit a 3x3 in my place, 2 feet depth is the most i can do.

Well, another way of sizing it up...You want to use QBs...so your looking at flowering with 120+ watts for 4sq feet. Getting the 1.5 gram per watt range, isn't that unreasonable, that puts you about 6zips per cycle.
A good healthy plant in a 5 gallon pot, 6oz per isn't unrealistic, with the right genetics.

Edit: and after going into the underground lair, and actually looking at one of my 2x2 tents, I'm going to amend my my response by saying anything over four ounces, without an absolute perfect scrog, would be quite an accomplishment.

Have been growing perpetually for years and I still end up needing to outsource bud sometimes. You will never end up with as much as you want to but that doesn't mean what you do yield wasn't worth the effort. Shit you may not have considered that may help:

1. Ventilation is just as important as lighting. Keeping temps low in a small space is not easy. Building a grow box seems simple until you think about how to vent it.

2. Use the power of multiple grow spaces. Chip has 4 ten gallon 3x3ish flowering areas in good organic soil under quality leds plus spaces for vegging and clones = 8oz every 2 weeks. That's how it's done. In my exp you need at least separate 3 grow areas for perpetual harvests; nursery, veg, & bloom. You can never grow it faster than you can smoke through it.

3. Soil is more important than you think. If you care for the soil and treat it as a living thing the plants will just grow. They know what to do. If you keep the soil active, healthy, and nutritious then all you will ever need to give the plants is clean water. Read up about organic soil if that sounds good to you.

Richard Drysift said:

Have been growing perpetually for years and I still end up needing to outsource bud sometimes. You will never end up with as much as you want to but that doesn't mean what you do yield wasn't worth the effort. Shit you may not have considered that may help:

1. Ventilation is just as important as lighting. Keeping temps low in a small space is not easy. Building a grow box seems simple until you think about how to vent it.

2. Use the power of multiple grow spaces. Chip has 4 ten gallon 3x3ish flowering areas in good organic soil under quality leds plus spaces for vegging and clones = 8oz every 2 weeks. That's how it's done. In my exp you need at least separate 3 grow areas for perpetual harvests; nursery, veg, & bloom. You can never grow it faster than you can smoke through it.

3. Soil is more important than you think. If you care for the soil and treat it as a living thing the plants will just grow. They know what to do. If you keep the soil active, healthy, and nutritious then all you will ever need to give the plants is clean water. Read up about organic soil if that sounds good to you.

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I decided to go with a 2x4x7 cabinet which perfectly fits in my place, split it into two 2x2 rooms, one for flowering one for vegging, and i split the veg room at 5 feet height to make rooms for clones and maybe bonsai mothers.
My plan is to veg each plant in the biggest sized container (maybe 10 gallon) until it fills the 2x2 area, take clones a week before switching, then move it to the 2x2 flower area, when i move it my clones will be ready, i choose the best one and veg it in a big container and repeat the cycle. Maybe put some clones in half gallon pots and let them live so i can take advantage of every inch of space i have, but my focus will be on one monster plant.
I am confident that with time and experience, especially with my great love for marijuana, i will be able to hit my 8 ounces target in the 2x2 area, ive seen people who did it.

Down the line, i will come up with creative ways to upgrade givinen the limited space i have, but for now this sounds like the best way to do it, especially in a country where its illegal and very limited in resources.

Richard Drysift said:

You will not see anywhere near 200g per plant without a lot more space. What do you plan to use for lighting?You would be lucky to pull 20g from a plant in a 2x2 ft space...or are the dimensions in meters?

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Please tell me your joking when you say 20g a plant in a 2x2

extremophile420 said:

I decided to go with a 2x4x7 cabinet which perfectly fits in my place, split it into two 2x2 rooms, one for flowering one for vegging, and i split the veg room at 5 feet height to make rooms for clones and maybe bonsai mothers.
My plan is to veg each plant in the biggest sized container (maybe 10 gallon) until it fills the 2x2 area, take clones a week before switching, then move it to the 2x2 flower area, when i move it my clones will be ready, i choose the best one and veg it in a big container and repeat the cycle. Maybe put some clones in half gallon pots and let them live so i can take advantage of every inch of space i have, but my focus will be on one monster plant.
I am confident that with time and experience, especially with my great love for marijuana, i will be able to hit my 8 ounces target in the 2x2 area, ive seen people who did it.

Down the line, i will come up with creative ways to upgrade givinen the limited space i have, but for now this sounds like the best way to do it, especially in a country where its illegal and very limited in resources.

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You will be able to get your 8 with enough watts.
I just harvested 32oz from 8 autos in a 4x4@ 1200w hps Christmas day on my first grow.

So 8 zips definitely is possible.
They still had a month to go in the pic. Was right before I went from 600 to 1200w.

.Smoke said:

You will be able to get your 8 with enough watts.
I just harvested 32oz from 8 autos in a 4x4@ 1200w hps Christmas day on my first grow.

So 8 zips definitely is possible.
They still had a month to go in the pic. Was right before I went from 600 to 1200w.
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I will be using one qb 96 elite v2 in the flower room, Can go up to 180-200w. Yeah man i deeply believe it's possible, ive seen people getting 250 grams in 2x2 in some journals.

extremophile420 said:

I will be using one qb 96 elite v2 in the flower room, Can go up to 180-200w. Yeah man i deeply believe it's possible, ive seen people getting 250 grams in 2x2 in some journals.

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Just stay away from autos if your trying to push a higher than normal yield.
Even at 250w.. 1 gram per watt is not a walk in the park..

GanjaGreg. said:

Please tell me your joking when you say 20g a plant in a 2x2

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More plausible than 200g. And lucky; a high yield pheno.

.Smoke said:

You will be able to get your 8 with enough watts.
I just harvested 32oz from 8 autos in a 4x4@ 1200w hps Christmas day on my first grow.

So 8 zips definitely is possible.
They still had a month to go in the pic. Was right before I went from 600 to 1200w.
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1200w hps is the key phrase here

Richard Drysift said:

More plausible than 200g. And lucky; a high yield pheno.

1200w hps is the key phrase here

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I guess.
At 4 sq ft, even at 40 watts per sq ft and a gram per watt, that’s 160 grams.

Richard Drysift said:

More plausible than 200g. And lucky; a high yield pheno.

1200w hps is the key phrase here

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I willl be using lebanese landrace, a high yielder i believe.

GanjaGreg. said:

I guess.
At 4 sq ft, even at 40 watts per sq ft and a gram per watt, that’s 160 grams.

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Id be happy to hit 160 grsms.