flower under 6500k cfl?

friendlyperson92

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plants stretching is in the genetics. i grew outdoors this past year and when the days started to grow shorter and started to flower, the branches almost grew two feet all around. mind you this was under the sun, not light bulbs. so it was full spectrum.
 

whymedeisgns

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plants stretching is in the genetics. i grew outdoors this past year and when the days started to grow shorter and started to flower, the branches almost grew two feet all around. mind you this was under the sun, not light bulbs. so it was full spectrum.

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So what you're saying is that you grew some plants outdoors, they grew 2 feet, so it's a genetic thing.

Cool.
 

justanotherbozo

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thanks, i will mix up my lighting probably 4:2 blue:red through my veg and go 2:4 fr my flowering stage. im only planning on growing 2plants in each stage at a time. the grow box im going to bild hopefully starting this weekend. will be 4'Lx4'Hx2'D, i am going to divide it horizontally so i have a bottom and top chamber, the bottom will be 1.5' high and the top 2.5', bottom for veg top for flower. i am planning on using the SCRoG method due to the low vertical space they will have as well as LST to make them shorter and bushier, would super cropping be good to do with these 2 methods additionally?
if you're anything like me you'll outgrow that box in a minute, ...not to mention that the smaller the space, the harder it is to maintain a healthy environment, air-flow and heat are MAJOR issues in micro-growing.

here's a few pics of some of my cabs to show you i know a bit about the topic.

first, here's a couple shots of my clone-box, fresh out of the box and finished and in play.
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now here's a couple of my mother-box.

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...this is a shot of my first op, CFLs in da closet.

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and this is a shot of my old flower-box

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...believe me man, if you have the space, build a bigger box.

bozo
 

friendlyperson92

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"You'll recognize that when your flowers first start to show, vertical growth from the flowering node will decrease. Lots of people report huge growth when they switch to flowering, but that is largely because they change the lights, creating large hormone production, but the flowers haven't formed, so all that hormone growth goes into rapid stem development.

I would suggest starting your flowering cycle (12-12) under 6500k lights and slowly transitioning into a more 27000k friendly setup, like switching out one of the 6500k's for a 27000 every 4-5 days. This will make sure it stays short and bushy, but also ensures that in it's full flowering state it gets the light it needs to produce well.

Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]


lol no. im just disproving your dumb ass theories. this one in particular. my plants branches grew another 2 feet in a period of 2 weeks when they started to flower. my plants were already 5 feet tall. this was accelerated growth, because they were 5 feet after 7 months. my lights didn't suddenly change because it was the sun. so that is why your theory is false and that you're talking out your ass on things you heard.
 

whymedeisgns

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  • no. im just disproving your dumb ass theories. this one in particular. my plants branches grew another 2 feet in a period of 2 weeks when they started to flower. my plants were already 5 feet tall. this was accelerated growth, because they were 5 feet after 7 months. my lights didn't suddenly change because it was the sun. so that is why your theory is false and that you're talking out your ass on things you heard​




Conjecture is a funny thing. You're not proving anything. Cool story bro, does it get you laid?

Some of my opinions and personal experience were tossed in there with some very solid scientific facts buddy. Insult me all you want, but there are more facts in my statements than yours, and I don't get off insulting people without a logical basis to do so.

The funniest part to me is I spend my time doing controlled experiments with light in an indoor environment and read up on this every day, have been for a little over 2 years.

You threw some seeds outdoors and watered it with a hose (yes, i read your posts) and come in here telling me I'm wrong, my ideas are dumb, and it's proven by your absolutely uncontrolled experiment.

Also, you're an absolute idiot for thinking the sun's color doesn't change. It changes alot based on hour of day (angle of sun) and atmospheric light filtration (gases, clouds, etc). By your 7 month story I'm going to assume the light change was seasonal, because that's what happens in 7 months. You go through 2 seasons, potentially into your 3rd, which has a drastic impact on the color of light the earth receives.

WOAH, mind blowing isn't it. It's called science.

Do you want to make yourself look like a bigger idiot? go ahead.
 

friendlyperson92

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facts without references are nothing. that was full opinion, with nothing to back it up. you're obviously the troll. stop misleading people with false information. a scientific theory can be tested and contradicted until proven or dis-proven. your "facts" are flawed. because if your "gradual" change would stop the pre-flower stretching, mine would not have stretched under the sun. because the day gradually gets shorter and shorter and doesn't just switch it's light spectrum and cycle to 12-12. sorry "bro".
 

whymedeisgns

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The gradual change was a suggestion, which works for me in what I do, which is much more similar to what he's doing that what you did.

I never pretended my gradual change was a fact, it was an educated guess that through trial has proven to be effective, why it's effective, I not sure, nor am I sure it matters.

About 80% of what I posted was facts,

I'm not going to spend 3 hours digging through my books and pdfs for quotes on the light spectrums and photo periods, if you're ignorant to those very commonly accepted facts then you're just plain ignorant.

I'm still not sure what you're saying here, that my gradual change wouldn't work and is just an opinion? Hell, that's what i said in the first place:

I would suggest starting your flowering cycle (12-12) under 6500k lights and slowly transitioning into a more 2700k friendly setup, like switching out one of the 6500k's for a 27000 every 4-5 days. This will make sure it stays short and bushy, but also ensures that in it's full flowering state it gets the light it needs to produce well.

It was a personal suggestion, and it was very clearly stated as such.

Everything you've said is opinion, and conjecture, and even if I were to assume your story is true, it's not similar, there are too many unknowns, and nothing can be verified because it was uncontrolled and undocumented

Really what it comes down to is we both have personal opinions, and we disagree, however you decided to take it upon yourself to insult me without having any logical basis to do so.

You still haven't addressed the fact that the sunlight actually does change color, or are you avoiding that point I made because it defeats everything you're arguing?
 

friendlyperson92

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because the day gradually gets shorter and shorter and doesn't just switch it's light spectrum and cycle to 12-12. sorry "bro".[/QUOTE said:
that is a gradual change in light. i never said the sun doesn't change color, i said it does so gradually. my original statement was that it is genetics that determines whether the plant stretches or not. <which is what i said originally. sativa's generally stretch more than indicas. i didn't insult you, i insulted your theories, even then it wasn't until you replied to me with a smart ass reply, which was prompted by your opinion being apposed. again, the main fact of my statement was that the sun changes gradually, (like you suggested to do with light bulbs) but my plant still stretched in pre flower. my plant was a sativa dominant plant. the other plant i grew, which was indica dominant barely had any new growth(if any) during the transition. they had the same light dirt and everything. what'r the variables you're referring to? and i can tell you what they were and how they don't matter to my statement.
 

justanotherbozo

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oh man, that stealth mother chamber is fucking legit dude.
thanks man and yeah, she's a bit small but overall, she has outperformed my expectations and has been going pretty much 24/7 for almost 4 years now, i'm actually in the planning stages of a new, larger veg box but i'm at least 6 months away from doing any actual work on it, lol.

bozo
 

whymedeisgns

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I went ahead and made you post clearer by throwing some line breaks in there:

That is a gradual change in light. I never said the sun doesn't change color, i said it does so gradually. my original statement was that it is genetics that determines whether the plant stretches or not. <which is what i said originally. sativa's generally stretch more than indicas.

i didn't insult you, i insulted your theories, even then it wasn't until you replied to me with a smart ass reply, which was prompted by your opinion being apposed. again, the main fact of my statement was that the sun changes gradually, (like you suggested to do with light bulbs) but my plant still stretched in pre flower. my plant was a sativa dominant plant. the other plant i grew, which was indica dominant barely had any new growth(if any) during the transition. they had the same light dirt and everything.

What'r the variables you're referring to? and i can tell you what they were and how they don't matter to my statement.
^ You also never said anything about the color of the sun changing at all. You called it "full spectrum" and then claimed that the lighting conditions the plant was exposed to did not change, implying a constant.

You seem to have calmed down so here's what I'm going to propose you envision:

Imagine you have a 3 foot plant sitting next to a fence, the fence is on the east, the house is on the west. The house is about 10 feet away, the fence is about 3.

Since the red and yellow spectrums of light are produced more naturally during dawn and dusk, most of this light won't be received. The fence, and the house are blocking the direct early morning light and the dusk. As the plant grows it receives more and more of the red light and yellow light because it's height is rising it up into the early morning and dusk light. This would cause an exponential growth increase. Also consider that without side lighting the lower nodes and fan leaves wouldn't be getting as much light, so their internodal spacing would be low. But as the plant grows overall they would start to receive more and more light, increasing their growth and the spacing of their nodes.

These are just the lighting factors. Soil content, and water content are also not being taken into account. With an un metered PH (you said you didn't even test the ph of the water, i checked your thread) you actually do not know if the ph of your water changed, which happens alot with public water supply. Temperature also changed, since it's outdoors and 7 months passed, I don't know anywhere that doensn't at least see a 10 degree temperature change in 7 months.

Since from your post it sounds like the boom in growth was in the spring, the plant was probably sprouted in the fall, and grew in the winter vegetatively, cold conditions stunt growth (fact). Especially in sativas.

Basically, what I am saying here, is you are not taking into account ALL of the different factors that affect plants, because you didn't document or control nearly any of them.

Growing outdoors is letting nature do it's thing, and that's how plants are designed to work. You can't easily control the light or the temperature outside, but you can control the water, and the nutrients. Which you opted not to do. So in all reality the only thing you did was make sure you watered it, which is basically saying you have no idea wtf was going on, but it worked. And you're using that as a basis to argue with me when I controlled every single one of the the factors you opted not to. Not to mention i have picture documentation daily from day 1, along with text notes about changes in care and setup as I go.

The word is spelled "opposed" by the way.
 

whymedeisgns

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Scientists do experiments in labs to confirm hypotheses and devise theories because in a lab you can control all of these factors.

It is incredibly ignorant and dumbfounded to assume that it MUST exclusively be plant genetics to account for stretching when in actuality you have no way at all of determining anything in a completely uncontrolled environment.

Yes, sativas do grow taller than indicas, fact. But you can also make an indica grow incredibly tall too. It would just require more control and a higher level of thinking then you're probably capable of exhibiting.

Now that I have sat here and humored your crap for over an hour I'm just going to call you an idiot.
 

friendlyperson92

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you are the one who started insulting me lol, you are the one who needs/needed to calm down. you're not understanding that i had two plants right next to each other one being sativa dom and one being indica dom. the indica didn't stretch. the sativa did. that simple. during the change in sunlight colors, they both got the same spectrums for the same amount of time. they had the same uncontrolled factors. fortunately, i don't live in a 3rd world country and my water ph is at a regulated level of 6.5-7. again. you are insulting me. you must have the mentality of a child, to get so riled up when someone disputes you lol. you have some authority complex where you have to get the last word and you have to be right, if you had proven me wrong i would have admitted it and apologized. you're just an angry human being that can't stand being wrong. and for that i pity you. umadbro? (that's a similar statement to your "cool story bro") cause you are obviously mad that you're wrong. lol.
 

whymedeisgns

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Water in California ranges from about 5.7-8.3
Water in Texas ranges from about 6.7 up to 8.8

That is normal ranges, depending on whether the water is derived from a thermal aquifer (meaning it would have more dissolved minerals in it).

Water lines also have treatments injected regionally to account for algal blooms and regional issues.

You're just uneducated, it's ok.

I did prove you wrong btw, you just didn't realize it or are too proud to admit it.
 

whymedeisgns

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lol no. im just disproving your dumb ass theories.
Was the first attack. Only thing i said prior to that was "Cool."

You were just offended that my 1 word was insulting to you, which suggests that you have deeply seeded confidence issues that require social approval; or you wouldn't have lashed out in response.

Now your story has changed to include a second plant which experienced different results, which is ominously right next to the other. When previously you referred to your plants as both experiencing booms in growth in their branches and made 0 indication that there was any difference in genetics.

Funny how your stories change when you're flailing aimlessly to prove a point you're so far from hitting.
 

friendlyperson92

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you haven't proved anything. i don't live in california or texas.... those are two of the biggest states there are. of course the water is going to vary.. you're a pseudo-intellectual with a huge chip on your shoulder, idk who you're trying to prove something to. you can narrow the search down to cities. and even further. keep trying, try hard. lol. umad. the plant "was", in my post. i said i pulled all the smaller plant. please when you do your research. read thoroughly. lol. i insulted your theory, like i said in a previous post. like i said. read thoroughly. don't skim through things.
 

whymedeisgns

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Lol read thoroughly?

I read all your posts for the last month thoroughly to see if you had even an inkling of intelligent contribution in you.

Your hypocracy is astounding dude, you're the one not reading. Either it's a careless skimming skipping the words or a severe lack of comprehension.

The only time you mentioned this alleged other plant in this thread was when you used the plural "plants". And even then it looked like a typo of "plant's" implying one plant's branches. I suppose it could have been a typo for plants' suggesting multiple plants branches, but it definitely wasn't clear.

Back to the science then with this theoretical other plant considered:

An indica grows shorter generally, meaning that the rate of growth affected exponentially by the light increase would be smaller. Example being 4^4 being 256 and 2^4 being 16. Not to mention the essential shear line of light exposure to red/yellow light might not even be reached by an indica, as it may never make it to that perfect height where the light exposure is able to peek over the surrounding objects.

California and Texas were listed because those are known to me. The ozarks have great water, spring fed, so does Colorado. Most of the eastern / midwest have water with heavy metals just below toxic levels and a much higher acidity.

I don't care where you live, but if you think your water coming out of your hose is constant, hah.


The point i made you still haven't responded to is that there is absolutely no way to argue control outdoors, when you don't even watch the nutrients or ph of your water. You're just a blundering idiot that doesn't even know how to use the enter button in conjuction with certain periods. Hell, if any animal pissed on one of the plants roots there's automatically a boost to the nitrogen production.

Even with your theoretical and very questionable introduction of a 2nd plant you have 0 way of proving any control when you took no measures to control anything.

You're still just an blundering idiot hamfisting an idea that is about 4 feet over your head. (kinda like the light over your indicas head) Darwin will have his way with you, I'm sure of it.
 

friendlyperson92

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dat second page of my thread "if you grow it in the ground. it just grows and grows man. pots limit the size. i pulled the weaker ones out that way they wouldn't be competing for sun and nutes and water etc. (bad enought hey have to compete with my flowers " it was smaller, so i pulled it after two weeks of flower. so there goes your "the only time you mentioned this alleged other plant...etc" your hypothetical explanations are amusing. i don't need to create separate paragraphs, this is not my writing class and you are not my employer. lol. sorry you can't understand my casual writing style. i also don't capitalize, don't forget that. lol. you're so mad, and im amused. i was trying to reason with you and show you the light(pun intended) but you are incapable of reason, constantly trying to prove your pseudo-intellectual superiority over me. tryharder you're too close-minded.
 

whymedeisgns

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The key word being "ham fisting" a colloquial from modern culture that implies hitting something that is heavily reinforced with insufficient blunt power. Image being a fat dude with a ham legbone smashing a metal door expecting it to break.

And actually, I'm not mad. I'm just a sadist and i enjoy humiliating stupid people. And you made yourself a prime target after attacking me verbally.

You still aren't making any points, and I've addressed all of yours. Next?
 
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