flower under 6500k cfl?

MagikNinja

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so im new here and havent grown yet but am getting everything together for my first grow, im planning on using cfl lighting for the low cost and low heat, so heres a question that just crossed my mind, if you use 6500k lights for veg because they encourage more bushy growth because of the high blue light then when you go to flower could you just keep the 6500k lights instead of going to 2700k, wouldnt it still force flowerig due to reduced light on times and prevent the extra stretching in the flowering stage therefore freeing more energy for bud production?
 

thatboyis1uvakind

New Member
so im new here and havent grown yet but am getting everything together for my first grow, im planning on using cfl lighting for the low cost and low heat, so heres a question that just crossed my mind, if you use 6500k lights for veg because they encourage more bushy growth because of the high blue light then when you go to flower could you just keep the 6500k lights instead of going to 2700k, wouldnt it still force flowerig due to reduced light on times and prevent the extra stretching in the flowering stage therefore freeing more energy for bud production?
Ur better off using a mixed spectrum during both stages....20121026_140036.jpg
 

thatboyis1uvakind

New Member
ya use a mix of the two an it helps them show sex faster
Mine only took 2days to show sex once the lights flipped...the 3rd one I just threw in the flower box yesterday has 2 or 3 female preflowers and was still in veg....my plants grow like crazy....I think a mixed spectrum is the key
 

ziggys420

Active Member
well ya an leds through off full spec as in all the spectrum's an there like cfls not a lot of heat i want to get one check it out it would be something really good to invest in i will be really soon not my very next grow but the one after
 

shrxhky420

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Magik, everyone is right mixed spectrum is better, but to answer you question, yes you can use 6500k to flower, its not the spectrum that causes flowering, it's hours of light. Red is better for flowering but not necessary. Stay high.
 

MagikNinja

Member
thanks guys, i get that but my theory (which i havent tried out yet but will as soon as i get a chance) ill do a side by side comparasion of how much stretch you get/dont get -if it works- the plant with more blue for frower shouldnt stretch and be as long in the flower stage as the one using more red, everything i have read on this site leads me too believe that it would keep it smaller but recent reading tells me that i would get less compact/ more airy buds.
 

thatboyis1uvakind

New Member
thanks guys, i get that but my theory (which i havent tried out yet but will as soon as i get a chance) ill do a side by side comparasion of how much stretch you get/dont get -if it works- the plant with more blue for frower shouldnt stretch and be as long in the flower stage as the one using more red, everything i have read on this site leads me too believe that it would keep it smaller but recent reading tells me that i would get less compact/ more airy buds.
....the stretch has to do w how close u keep ur lights...keep em close like 2-3 inches n u get zero to little stretch....I advise u mix...ur plants will thank u for it
 

MagikNinja

Member
thanks, i will mix up my lighting probably 4:2 blue:red through my veg and go 2:4 fr my flowering stage. im only planning on growing 2plants in each stage at a time. the grow box im going to bild hopefully starting this weekend. will be 4'Lx4'Hx2'D, i am going to divide it horizontally so i have a bottom and top chamber, the bottom will be 1.5' high and the top 2.5', bottom for veg top for flower. i am planning on using the SCRoG method due to the low vertical space they will have as well as LST to make them shorter and bushier, would super cropping be good to do with these 2 methods additionally?
 

MagikNinja

Member
the plants im planning on growing are called "Big Bang" which are already supposed to be shorter bushy plants, i want to get the most out f the space i will have. This will be my first round at growing
 
Im a first timer to and thought the same thing to but u have to switch to the 2700k soft white becuase u basically have to manipulate the plants into it bein fall so they start to budd and then switch frum 18 on and 6 off to 12 on and 12 off for great flowering .....
 

MagikNinja

Member
hey it was just an idea i had, i didnt know if it would work or not so thats why i posted it on here, i figured someone would have thought or tried it out a some point to see if it would work, but ey oh well im here to learn!
 

friendlyperson92

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i would put the bigger chamber on bottom just because in my mind the heavier weight should always be on bottom. just my two cents.
 

MagikNinja

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i would put the bigger chamber on bottom just because in my mind the heavier weight should always be on bottom. just my two cents.
thats a really good idea i dont know why i didnt think of that one myself, thanks for the input! in starting to build my box tomorrow im gunna go with design #1just flip it over
 

Maravillosa

Member
I'm a newbie here. I've been reading a book, Elite Growing. The author says, among many other things, when a plant has three pairs of true leaves, more blue spectrum of light increases chances of females from your seed. High humidity, lower temps, increasing level of N, lowering level of K, low environmental stress, lower hrs of daylight (14 hrs) and soaking seed in Gibberillic acid. Until you can sex clones, all of these things will increase females from regular seed. Sexing your plants will also cause undue stress, thus the reason for using clones. Great book with a lot of awesome info. The author says true females exist in the gene pool, and only stressing plants to the max will reveal them. Indicas are much easier to identify than Sativas.
 

whymedeisgns

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I'm a newbie here. I've been reading a book, Elite Growing. The author says, among many other things, when a plant has three pairs of true leaves, more blue spectrum of light increases chances of females from your seed. High humidity, lower temps, increasing level of N, lowering level of K, low environmental stress, lower hrs of daylight (14 hrs) and soaking seed in Gibberillic acid. Until you can sex clones, all of these things will increase females from regular seed. Sexing your plants will also cause undue stress, thus the reason for using clones. Great book with a lot of awesome info. The author says true females exist in the gene pool, and only stressing plants to the max will reveal them. Indicas are much easier to identify than Sativas.
I've never read that book, but I hope you're misquoting it.

I'm unsure how sexing a plant causes undue stress... As sexing by definition is "determining the sex or gender of".
I'm also not really sure most of those points are true. All the other things you listed to "increase chance of female" really are only going to reduce stress, so with bad genetics it would avoid a potential hermaphrodite. Treating the seeds prior actually should work, but I have never done that. I really think the previous poster misread the book, or misquoted what he/she read. If not, the dude shouldn't be writing a book about growing.

Especially with bag seeds dude, it's pretty much a tossup on what your actual results will be, even some of the best growers get males man, it's not a perfect science, there is probability involved.

Earlier on there was some dude that said the stretch is completely dependent on distance of the light form the seeds. Absolutely untrue.

Red light spectrum increases hormone production, which while in a vegetative state, with the absence of sexual anatomy, all that hormone development goes into stem growth, which increases internodal spacing. Inernodal spacing is the vertical distance between pairs of nodes on the stem. Since fan leaves directly correlate to nodes, internodal spacing is also the distance between each pair of fan leaves

blue light encourages foliage production and distribution of nitrogen to the leaves. If you were to expose a plant to exclusively blue light it's internodal spacing would be very small, and the leaves would overlap creating more of an umbrella shape bush, stunting the growth of the nodes and decreasing yield. The only argument for giving them some red light while in veg is to make sure you have the space you need for all the leaves to flatten out and receive light.

Most people will say 2/3 of your total light in veg should be blue spectrum (65000k - 10,000k). While some people argue 10,000k bulbs do nothing, it really depends what 10,000 bulb you're using, because they aren't all the same. The inverse is correct for flowering, usually it's suggested 2/3 of your light comes from red spectrum (2700k) bulbs. If you're able to find CFL's with a lower kelvin rating, likely around 2000k, i would suggest using those for flowering. I have even heard of great success using red decorative CFLs as side lighting during flowering (not as a primary light source).

You'll recognize that when your flowers first start to show, vertical growth from the flowering node will decrease. Lots of people report huge growth when they switch to flowering, but that is largely because they change the lights, creating large hormone production, but the flowers haven't formed, so all that hormone growth goes into rapid stem development.

I would suggest starting your flowering cycle (12-12) under 6500k lights and slowly transitioning into a more 27000k friendly setup, like switching out one of the 6500k's for a 27000 every 4-5 days. This will make sure it stays short and bushy, but also ensures that in it's full flowering state it gets the light it needs to produce well.

Hope that helps.
 

whymedeisgns

Active Member

  • Usually the words are the least accurate description,
    The kelvin temperature is slightly more accurate, but in reality actually not accurate;
    The only accurate description would be the peaks on a specrtagraph, showing which light waves are being produced the most, showing how much of the light being produced is usable by a plant.

    You can have a 100 W green CFL and produce almost 0 usable lumens of light for a plant.

    Really nice light bulbs for specialty purposes (growing, aquariums, terarriums) will often have a spectragraph break down of the light output from their bulbs. Slightly less nice bulbs will tell you the "color temperature" which is denoted by a number, usually in the thousands, with a K after it.

    I by no means am attacking you, I am actually quite envious of how your widow is growing, but if anyone wanted to reproduce your results, and you wanted to help them, simply telling them to get "full spectrum" CFLs is not what they need to hear. There's -way- more to it than that.​




 
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