FlowaMasta's Methodology @ How to Grow Monster pound plants!!! ( Jack H X Skunk )

eastcoastmo

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Wow! Looks like you have some nice plans happening! Everything looks nice and organized, and ready to take off! Great to see, and everything looks nice and healthy thats for sure :) I just cant wait to see the greenhouse full to the roof :p

Awesome input Mo! I love the blue moon, interesting how different the angle is from where we are! I'm trying to do some night photography with some star constellations as some are really close at the moment and make for some spectacular time lapse pics :)


Yea! I got a big carried away, lost track of time, and a few days went by and a few tips got burned and nearly got out of hand, but she's sorted now, and had a massive trim around the tips, so much sweating happening, unbelievable :( not that thats a bad thing right now, as long as i stay on top of it and clear things out it will be fine, the 2nd net is in now, i'm not expecting much stretch at all, and i'm giving her an early flush and some fresh nutes to kickstart her flowering :) XL really exploded things.... alot more than i anticipated. See if i can handle her!! I;m so going to replace the crate underneath though!!!, lifting the pot was ridiculous, and that was without water in it. A big chunk of foam is coming up next week! wish me luck the milk crate holds, or this plant could topple the entire tent!, never have i grown one this large :weed:
If anyone can do it brother, it's you :D really looming forward to seeing how big this monster gets hey! Going to be an awesome ride ;)
 

Mohican

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Here are some pics of the Mulanje:















I went out last night and took some pictures for you but I got too tired before I could post them. The Mulanje looked terrible because they droop so badly at night.






Pool:






I made more progress on the greenhouse today:














The door frame is up!







Clones in the sun:






Clones in the nursery:








Cheers,
Mo
 

eastcoastmo

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Nice work Mo, that Mulanje is going to be massive!

Greenhouse is coming along real well too mate, it'll be full of ganja and veges in no time :D
 

flowamasta

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No kidding Easty! I'm speechless, not to mention Gobsmacked!
Beautiful backyard Mo, that pool looks so dreamy at night, and the wine barrels look great in the backyard!

Meanwhile i'm down to the best of Amster :) The UVB stuff! its killing me lol.... softly. I have no idea what's going on, life is but a dream. Gnine is a little heat stressed at the moment, and will be back on the scene shortly, She needs another haircut so she can breath
 

Sofia Dali

Member
Hi Flowa, I have the same camera as you. I believe I have read the manual quite thoroughly but I still cannot find a feature to take black and white photos. Is there a black and white setting ?:leaf:
 

flowamasta

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Hi Flowa, I have the same camera as you. I believe I have read the manual quite thoroughly but I still cannot find a feature to take black and white photos. Is there a black and white setting ?:leaf:
Use the magic mode :) The little camera sign on the dial with the star in the middle ;) select classic shot and eat your heart out :) Takes awesome pristine nudie gf shots :p Cartoon is also a cool mode to have fun with, especially if you have pets!

anything else? ;) lol
 
Hello Flowamasta. Allow myself to introduce...myself. I'm Peekineeze. I've been checking out a few of your threads and cudos. Really. Fantastic plants! I have a question or two. Sorry any of this is redundant but this thread is super long. I was curious if your results were as impressive when you were growing DWC. What differences have you noticed between the two methods? Also, what kind of camera are you using?
 

flowamasta

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Hello Flowamasta. Allow myself to introduce...myself. I'm Peekineeze. I've been checking out a few of your threads and cudos. Really. Fantastic plants! I have a question or two. Sorry any of this is redundant but this thread is super long. I was curious if your results were as impressive when you were growing DWC. What differences have you noticed between the two methods? Also, what kind of camera are you using?
Nice to see you here Peekineeze! :) Thankyou to start with. I really appreciate it when others notice the appeal. I have only grown this way myself, and currently this would be my 8th plant i believe. This method is consider custom, and does implement a few ideas from lots of other methods, more so pinching the best of the best ideas, mix-matching, and coming up with a slightly bogus looking gravity return, auto feed simple grow/schedule/feeding I literally use the bare minimums now, and don't use the entire line of CYCO. I now use Advanced Nutrients Gold Range A+B + CYCO B1 Boost, Silica, XL (booster) for 'growing' and i use their 'flower' A+B also in combination with their one part gold range 'add.27' The add.27 is all she needs, well all i give for the first 5 weeks, then i switch to CYCO swell to help the ripening stage and swell thick and fast.

In saying this, i've seen lots, if not most methods, and still love others don't get me wrong, but for simplicity, and quality control, you really cant go wrong.
 

Mohican

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I added this nute update to my notes - thanks :)

I have removed all of the temporary bracing from the greenhouse. Her shell is almost complete!











The plumeria has a flower!







Cheers,
Mo
 
Oh shit. I thought I read somewhere that you started DWC. I must have mixed up someone else's post with yours in my diminished mental state in the late hours last night. This is your 8th plant? Total? You've only grown 8 plants? How is this possible? I consider myself a relatively fast learner but WTF? I'm still improving in increments but you seem to have it dialed in already. Anyway, I'm trying out a few 26 watt UVB bulbs and I think I read that you keep them on the entire light cycle? Hope I didn't get that wrong too. Do you need to ease the plant into it or can you go right to the full time? I ask because I read somewhere on another thread that plants need to be eased into UVB light exposure. I just started 12/12 and the plant hasn't been exposed to any UV lights yet. Thanks.

Edit: Make that 1 UVB bulb. I just dropped both of them and broke 1. Oh well. It's only money.
 

daveroller

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I got a nute question for you, Flowamasta. In your system do you set the pH to the correct value for soil (around 6.5) or for hydro (around 5.8 )?

I've been adjusting mine to around 5.8 to 6.1.
 

flowamasta

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I added this nute update to my notes - thanks :)

I have removed all of the temporary bracing from the greenhouse. Her shell is almost complete!











The plumeria has a flower!







Cheers,
Mo
That looks a wondrous work of art Mo :) Just beautiful!!
getting anxious yet? ;)

Oh shit. I thought I read somewhere that you started DWC. I must have mixed up someone else's post with yours in my diminished mental state in the late hours last night. This is your 8th plant? Total? You've only grown 8 plants? How is this possible? I consider myself a relatively fast learner but WTF? I'm still improving in increments but you seem to have it dialed in already. Anyway, I'm trying out a few 26 watt UVB bulbs and I think I read that you keep them on the entire light cycle? Hope I didn't get that wrong too. Do you need to ease the plant into it or can you go right to the full time? I ask because I read somewhere on another thread that plants need to be eased into UVB light exposure. I just started 12/12 and the plant hasn't been exposed to any UV lights yet. Thanks.

Edit: Make that 1 UVB bulb. I just dropped both of them and broke 1. Oh well. It's only money.
LOL :) no worries! and yeah, this is my 8th indoor grow, i have grown many outdoor plants over the years, but usually only small ones, except for last years near 3lb monster, or was that the year before? I had an awesome teacher, who unfortunately no longer puts in the same effort. I changed a few things to suit my own needs and still changing things each and every grow, not one grow has been the same or similar except in the fact that i've only had 3 strains.
The UVB bulbs will be fine to go anytime in my opinion! I found the plant looking healthier and produces MUCH more larger leaves where the UVB exposure is highest. It also makes the plant produce more anthocyanins ( purple colours which hold the unique flavanoids and aromas ) Put it this way, i've never given TOO much of UVB, i've never seen burning on my plants from them, they actually react to them and the white pistils will point DIRECTLY in the direction of the UVB FACT. UVA/UVB is the baddies that burn our sensitive skin from the sun, the plants natural ability to have a system in place to counteract the effects of the sun, and pump out more resin, even early on i've found from as early as 1 week i'm not kidding!! Resin is a plants sunscreen and the more resin on your plant, the more magnification from the suns rays through the trichomes and in effect making more THC. The glandular trichomes respond directly to the UVB exposure, and will point to them like sunflowers. Enjoy!

I think he has grown 8 plants this year hehe :)
Lol, counted the trunks up ;) yep 8 :p i think i've only had a 3 month break somewhere there.... lol its what i love doing, i think its almost the only thing i'm good at :)

I got a nute question for you, Flowamasta. In your system do you set the pH to the correct value for soil (around 6.5) or for hydro (around 5.8 )?

I've been adjusting mine to around 5.8 to 6.1.
That is fine, perlite is more suited similar to soil readings, the slightly higher PH will help keep things stable. In grow phase its not an issue to go as low as 5-5.5 This is where she will stock food supplies for the long flowering ahead, so when changing to flowering the PH change allows for more uptake of the essential flowering nutes, and start to leech the nitrogen. I used to use PH meters, i've never checked while i've been using advanced nutrients believe it or not! The results have shown not to doubt myself ;) After a couple of grows you learn what things buffer the PH, what things make it rise/go lower... I even have a tri-meter somewhere brand new, some people would say i'm stupid not to use it, i just say keep things clean and use good quality nutrients and never give more than you think they can handle or more than recommended especially if using tap water. I keep her right at the edge of orgasm ;) You know those doggie treats called shmackos? I just think of my plant like that, and tease her. So when she gets her feed she eats it up before its had a chance to touch the air, You soon start to see what nutes actually do their job, and what ones just burn a hole in your wallet..... I grow and flower 1 plant for less than $200 nutes, calculating that with my average yields does sound a little profound!?

I always say PH = 6 or around that and you will be laughing. With good nutrients your PH should buffer out nearly perfectly once you've added the correct additives FIRST, and then add you chelated bases (Grow/Bloom) If you deviate too much with additives or PH adjusters too early thinking she needs it, that is where we can all easily run into issues. If the ph is way out after first mix up, then goto first step and check the nutrient quality/age. Older nutrient can be higher in PH as the salt will start to crystalize. These days the big brands use top grade pharmaceutical chems and they are balanced to perfection and very pure.

Another note, never go over-board with ph adjusters. If it seems like you're forever having to adjust, the go a few days plain tap water with a flushing agent like Florakleen, then mix up a fresh clean batch of fresh nutes, and see how it goes. PH is important to be balanced so all nutrients can be taken up accordingly, if its changing abruptly there will usually be a tell tale sign somewhere.

an Informative day! Good Morning to all!!! have a sweet HIGH day you're here @ the ​FLO-GRAM ;)
 
"With good nutrients your PH should buffer out nearly perfectly once you've added the correct additives FIRST, and then add you chelated bases (Grow/Bloom)"


Why do your additives need to be added first?


"I used to use PH meters, i've never checked while i've been using advanced nutrients believe it or not! The results have shown not to doubt myself After a couple of grows you learn what things buffer the PH, what things make it rise/go lower... I even have a tri-meter somewhere brand new, some people would say i'm stupid not to use it, i just say keep things clean and use good quality nutrients and never give more than you think they can handle or more than recommended especially if using tap water. I keep her right at the edge of orgasm"


Doesn't your PH get knocked down right after you add them? My PH usually goes way down to 4.3 or lower so I have to adjust a little or it will stay too low. I just bump it up to 4.8 and it gets the rest of the way by itself in about 24 hours. The AN nutrients you're using don't knock the PH down?


When you say you give your plants the "bare minimum", what are we talking? Where do you keep your PPM's (range) for veg & flower? If you tell me you don't check PPM's either, I'm just going to throw in the towel and quit. :wall: Jk. I've been trying to get a feel for what my plant likes. I just recently tried to push my PPM's over 1000 and started to get leaf curl. I drained the res immediately and went with plain water. I've been slowly raising PPM's since. I'm in first week of flowering. Manufacture (Fox Farm) recommends (1190-1330) but I'm at (615). I'm scared to go over 900 now. Leaf curl is my boogie man.
 

daveroller

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That is fine, perlite is more suited similar to soil readings, the slightly higher PH will help keep things stable. In grow phase its not an issue to go as low as 5-5.5 This is where she will stock food supplies for the long flowering ahead, so when changing to flowering the PH change allows for more uptake of the essential flowering nutes, and start to leech the nitrogen...

... I always say PH = 6 or around that and you will be laughing. With good nutrients your PH should buffer out nearly perfectly once you've added the correct additives FIRST, and then add you chelated bases (Grow/Bloom) If you deviate too much with additives or PH adjusters too early thinking she needs it, that is where we can all easily run into issues. If the ph is way out after first mix up, then goto first step and check the nutrient quality/age. Older nutrient can be higher in PH as the salt will start to crystalize. These days the big brands use top grade pharmaceutical chems and they are balanced to perfection and very pure.

Another note, never go over-board with ph adjusters. If it seems like you're forever having to adjust, the go a few days plain tap water with a flushing agent like Florakleen, then mix up a fresh clean batch of fresh nutes, and see how it goes. PH is important to be balanced so all nutrients can be taken up accordingly, if its changing abruptly there will usually be a tell tale sign somewhere.

an Informative day! Good Morning to all!!! have a sweet HIGH day you're here @ the ​FLO-GRAM ;)
Thanks a lot for the detailed answer. Just to try to make it clear in my head, are you saying that if I mix up the nutes according to the instructions (especially for AN nutes), mixing the additives first, the pH should automatically come out right? I've always been afraid to mix up my nutes as strong as the instructions say, thinking it will cause chemical burn or nute lockout. Should it be safe? I'm using all Advanced Nutrients stuff, like Connoisseur A&B, Big Bud, B-52, etc... Is it ok to mix these things full strength? I might have gotten lousy advice in the past that the instructions always tell you to add more than you really should.

The other thing I was told is that you should watch pH after you feed your plant to see if the nute concentration is right. If it's too strong, the pH will jump UP, otherwise it will gradually go down. If you don't use a pH meter, what do you watch for to know whether the plant is happy? Water intake? The appearance of the plant? ...?
 
I'm also curious how you get your plant to flower so fast. Slow flowering has been an issue for me. I haven't been able to figure out why it's happening. I have 3 plants that have been flowering for about the same time yours has and they're hardly showing signs.
 

flowamasta

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"With good nutrients your PH should buffer out nearly perfectly once you've added the correct additives FIRST, and then add you chelated bases (Grow/Bloom)"

Why do your additives need to be added first?

"I used to use PH meters, i've never checked while i've been using advanced nutrients believe it or not! The results have shown not to doubt myself After a couple of grows you learn what things buffer the PH, what things make it rise/go lower... I even have a tri-meter somewhere brand new, some people would say i'm stupid not to use it, i just say keep things clean and use good quality nutrients and never give more than you think they can handle or more than recommended especially if using tap water. I keep her right at the edge of orgasm"

Doesn't your PH get knocked down right after you add them? My PH usually goes way down to 4.3 or lower so I have to adjust a little or it will stay too low. I just bump it up to 4.8 and it gets the rest of the way by itself in about 24 hours. The AN nutrients you're using don't knock the PH down?

When you say you give your plants the "bare minimum", what are we talking? Where do you keep your PPM's (range) for veg & flower? If you tell me you don't check PPM's either, I'm just going to throw in the towel and quit. :wall: Jk. I've been trying to get a feel for what my plant likes. I just recently tried to push my PPM's over 1000 and started to get leaf curl. I drained the res immediately and went with plain water. I've been slowly raising PPM's since. I'm in first week of flowering. Manufacture (Fox Farm) recommends (1190-1330) but I'm at (615). I'm scared to go over 900 now. Leaf curl is my boogie man.
Awesome questions, i understand your worry! Firstly, my one and only reason for mixing additives first :) This is not the case with all brands... BUT Your bases (grow/bloom) are made of tiny molecular formed crystalline salts and because of this they can react if mixed in the wrong direction because of the dilution rate, If you put your base in first you are adding a salty solution, then say you add 'silica' The silica will react because of the way it has been 'precipitated' and this happens if you add this in concentration on top of your base. Now this may seem like nothing, but if you've noticed your liquid go cloudy after adding Silica it is because it is attaching itself to the other carbons rendering those attached inert. The molecules are simply to large for the plant to ingest/metabolize/breakdown. If we add Silica into the res first what happens? it dilutes instantaneously with no cloudiness. After adding other additives or whatever following your base, you will the notice how nicely it all blends in, and doesn't look like a morning hot chocolate ;) This happens because the Silica is already diluted and mixed into the water and not in such a concentrated form :) This took some thinking a while ago, but my logic tells me this should be correct with what i've learnt about chemistry :) It isn't WRONG by any means, but there's just a better way, thats all... Like Heisenburg on Breaking baD :P The difference in the end, and the point of my babble is you won't have any premature salts binding and building up before they would normally. Try it if you like ;) The difference in ph is nil at first but a few days after the salt has attached to the roots and starting to play games with meters giving false in-accurate readings... again from personal experience even being fastidious with cleaning and buffering meters in the past.

I always push my plants VERY hard, by the 3rd week of grow i'm pushing the boundaries of full strength base nutes and 3/4 additives. My tap water is 6.8 and balances out great, and no i don't use a ppm meter either! This could make things more accurate, and i have a tri-mater somewhere round the place if i ever get into issues ( still in the box ) But from what i've learnt from a good Mentor is that Ph is more important than ppms, they both work off each other, and against each other, making them an outright pain to get a true perfect reading and result, I watch my leaf vigor and her smell which i feel is more than enough if not better that a ph/ppm reading. My system is very quick acting, and as soon as the nutrient starts flowing there is a safeguard window i like to call it where the plant adjusts to the mix like a dog getting comfy on a pillow ;) and within half an hour i'll know if she's spot on and i can goto bed. This system has worked out to be quite an accurate way to grow, and ease of cleanliness is awesome as the root zone is like a kid in a candy shop!! Sorry for the dodgy jokes, i'm so mellow right now i'm almost dreaming/sleeping/typing did that make sense? Perlite is far from soil, as the chemicals do not bind to it, so each flush you can be less doubtful about leaving behind salts.... Its harder to 'over-toxify' this way unless you dose it too hard, and forget to double check or something silly like that, its almost foolproof, and everything is used for a particular purpose.

Thanks a lot for the detailed answer. Just to try to make it clear in my head, are you saying that if I mix up the nutes according to the instructions (especially for AN nutes), mixing the additives first, the pH should automatically come out right? I've always been afraid to mix up my nutes as strong as the instructions say, thinking it will cause chemical burn or nute lockout. Should it be safe? I'm using all Advanced Nutrients stuff, like Connoisseur A&B, Big Bud, B-52, etc... Is it ok to mix these things full strength? I might have gotten lousy advice in the past that the instructions always tell you to add more than you really should.

The other thing I was told is that you should watch pH after you feed your plant to see if the nute concentration is right. If it's too strong, the pH will jump UP, otherwise it will gradually go down. If you don't use a pH meter, what do you watch for to know whether the plant is happy? Water intake? The appearance of the plant? ...?
The first question can be answered above :)

I would never feed a new clone full strength, always work from around half strength, and then follow up at brief intervals. Naturally the ph will rise towards that of tap water by about the half week mark. This is because the chelated minerals have been used up in the BASE food, time to add another top up of fresh water, and 1/3 of recomended dose and ween down till the end of the week wit top up with water if needed. ( i use a 45 litre tub )and at the moment she downs nearly 20 litres in the day given her every 3 hour feedings

Leaf is a good telltale sign, if leaves are droopy but warm, she's being over-watered ( hard to do with perlite but..)
I'm also curious how you get your plant to flower so fast. Slow flowering has been an issue for me. I haven't been able to figure out why it's happening. I have 3 plants that have been flowering for about the same time yours has and they're hardly showing signs.
A big plant will more than likely transition faster due to the Much larger amount of surface leaves that are gathering energy. Plus i flush extremely thorougly and add the flower nutrient ASAP

IF i missed anything let me know!
 

daveroller

Well-Known Member
Awesome questions, i understand your worry! Firstly, my one and only reason for mixing additives first :) This is not the case with all brands... BUT Your bases (grow/bloom) are made of tiny molecular formed crystalline salts and because of this they can react if mixed in the wrong direction because of the dilution rate, If you put your base in first you are adding a salty solution, then say you add 'silica' The silica will react because of the way it has been 'precipitated' and this happens if you add this in concentration on top of your base. Now this may seem like nothing, but if you've noticed your liquid go cloudy after adding Silica it is because it is attaching itself to the other carbons rendering those attached inert. The molecules are simply to large for the plant to ingest/metabolize/breakdown. If we add Silica into the res first what happens? it dilutes instantaneously with no cloudiness. After adding other additives or whatever following your base, you will the notice how nicely it all blends in, and doesn't look like a morning hot chocolate ;) This happens because the Silica is already diluted and mixed into the water and not in such a concentrated form :) This took some thinking a while ago, but my logic tells me this should be correct with what i've learnt about chemistry :) It isn't WRONG by any means, but there's just a better way, thats all... Like Heisenburg on Breaking baD :P The difference in the end, and the point of my babble is you won't have any premature salts binding and building up before they would normally. Try it if you like ;) The difference in ph is nil at first but a few days after the salt has attached to the roots and starting to play games with meters giving false in-accurate readings... again from personal experience even being fastidious with cleaning and buffering meters in the past.

I always push my plants VERY hard, by the 3rd week of grow i'm pushing the boundaries of full strength base nutes and 3/4 additives. My tap water is 6.8 and balances out great, and no i don't use a ppm meter either! This could make things more accurate, and i have a tri-mater somewhere round the place if i ever get into issues ( still in the box ) But from what i've learnt from a good Mentor is that Ph is more important than ppms, they both work off each other, and against each other, making them an outright pain to get a true perfect reading and result, I watch my leaf vigor and her smell which i feel is more than enough if not better that a ph/ppm reading. My system is very quick acting, and as soon as the nutrient starts flowing there is a safeguard window i like to call it where the plant adjusts to the mix like a dog getting comfy on a pillow ;) and within half an hour i'll know if she's spot on and i can goto bed. This system has worked out to be quite an accurate way to grow, and ease of cleanliness is awesome as the root zone is like a kid in a candy shop!! Sorry for the dodgy jokes, i'm so mellow right now i'm almost dreaming/sleeping/typing did that make sense? Perlite is far from soil, as the chemicals do not bind to it, so each flush you can be less doubtful about leaving behind salts.... Its harder to 'over-toxify' this way unless you dose it too hard, and forget to double check or something silly like that, its almost foolproof, and everything is used for a particular purpose.

The first question can be answered above :)

I would never feed a new clone full strength, always work from around half strength, and then follow up at brief intervals. Naturally the ph will rise towards that of tap water by about the half week mark. This is because the chelated minerals have been used up in the BASE food, time to add another top up of fresh water, and 1/3 of recomended dose and ween down till the end of the week wit top up with water if needed. ( i use a 45 litre tub )and at the moment she downs nearly 20 litres in the day given her every 3 hour feedings

Leaf is a good telltale sign, if leaves are droopy but warm, she's being over-watered ( hard to do with perlite but..)
A big plant will more than likely transition faster due to the Much larger amount of surface leaves that are gathering energy. Plus i flush extremely thorougly and add the flower nutrient ASAP

IF i missed anything let me know!

It sounds like you're flying an airplane without instruments, Flowa. You are a Zen Master of growing for sure! ;-)

So... after about the 3rd week of veg, do you give the full strength of nutes in the mfgr's instructions until the end of flower? (I know that you need to go easy on the clones/seedlings before then.)

And if your monster plant needs more, do you -just- set the watering cycle to water more frequently? Or do you make the nute solution more concentrated?

If you do play around with the nute concentration... do you check your plant to see whether it's too weak or strong for her?
- What are the signs that you mixed the solution too strong?
- What are the signs that you mixed it too weak?

Sorry if these are very basic questions, but in my previous DWC/fogger system I had a lot of problems dialing in the right concentration, and it was always MUCH lower than what the mfgr recommended, all the way through flower. My plant would stop drinking whenever the nute solution was only up to about half strength or more. Then I'd have to dilute it down again. I hope this system eliminates that problem and I can give her the full strength recommended every week. That would greatly simplify my life!!!

[Just a correction to my previous post -- I wrote that when the nute concentration is too high, the pH jumps UP -- WRONG! It goes down. And if it's ok, the pH gradually goes UP, like you correctly stated. Can you tell I'm dyslexic? :-) ]
 
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