FlowaMasta's Methodology @ How to Grow Monster pound plants!!! ( Jack H X Skunk )

eastcoastmo

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Hey Flowa, i got the best surprise EVER today.. I was looking through some boxes that i hadnt unpacked when i moved a few years back and in my fishing waders i found a little box with some seeds in it. Turns out i now have some mango, white skunk and blue rhino seeds from plants i grew waaaay back in the late 90's but kept the strains going and got seeds off them! Going to be an interesting next few years hey, i can feel some really nice crosses coming along...like blue papaya ;) mmm i can almost taste it hahaha
 

flowamasta

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Hey Flowa, i got the best surprise EVER today.. I was looking through some boxes that i hadnt unpacked when i moved a few years back and in my fishing waders i found a little box with some seeds in it. Turns out i now have some mango, white skunk and blue rhino seeds from plants i grew waaaay back in the late 90's but kept the strains going and got seeds off them! Going to be an interesting next few years hey, i can feel some really nice crosses coming along...like blue papaya ;) mmm i can almost taste it hahaha
Wow man! that sounds almost to good to be true!! white skunk?! anything skunk. Yes please!

Time to snip/clone (without actually using the clones.... long story) My secret revealed on how to Master the shaping of my flowers. Don't think this is a gimmick. 100% Horticulture so enjoy!! There is more to flowering than maybe you first thought!! Yes that crucial tiny timeframe holds a hidden and Pro-growing secret.... read on


Ok, first off i'll apologize that i didn't photograph my actual snippings (clones & tips) while cutting them, i wasn't cloning this time. Just snipping :) So i basically just snapped some pics of the locations where i topped, no fimming this round I think a neat snip is the go, no guessing how many colas coming from that section as you can count them yourself one by one and snip where you want. Thick Branches can go 3-4 good size nodes down leaving 3 evenly spaced branches for colas to grow from and they all grow pretty much the same height just slightly and naturally spaced as this method is a 'cloning tip' well what my mentor called it anyway! This makes that 1 future cola become 3 of equal and balanced energy. Some medium branches like secondaries they get a minor 2 node snip just to stunt the growth, not to create 2 colas but simply stop the growth on that branch and the following tips space out and become new branching stems, but only just in time to grow a 'large cola' (evenly spaced nodes stunted so that they grow at a similar rate and inhibit little stretching) but shortened thicker Colas that take up less space yielding more weight per square foot. If you snip too far you stunt too long and the re-growth between the transition to flower from grow will be minimal so it will be smaller buds. More nodes = More bud..... More bud per branch = Bigger Cola :)

Having a play around as different strains may show different characteristics. TIMING IS 100% CRUCIAL IN GAINING A NEAT AND EVENLY SPACED BED OF LARGE COLAS. Just a few days to many can mean disaster and massive stretching, as to why i do this when the plant is in PEAK growth and showing no signs of stress, this way my nodes are so closely spaced because the plant is growing so fast.....AND BELIEVE ME BLINK AND YOU'LL MISS IT ALL. The closer your nodes are the more uniformed your colas will look. Every day after snipping will cause 1-2 nodes to stretch significantly during the flowering stage.

Pics!!

Day 24 Vegging for Jack no. 3 Timing is crucial. Time for me to smarten up and be on my game again :p I haven't put my net in, thats tomorrow i just got everything pointing straight up now to get a full hit of the lamp :)



Oh, Can't forget My jack cut outside can we!! and she is mid-re-vegging hehe showing mild signs of single blade reveg leaves but still sort of budding, this could go on for a while so hold on sub up if you haven't already!

 

Scrogreen

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So your topping it to get more of an even canopy and promote growth? Am I gettn that right? Looks great! Outdoor is looking healthy too!
 

eastcoastmo

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Wow man! that sounds almost to good to be true!! white skunk?! anything skunk. Yes please!

Time to snip/clone (without actually using the clones.... long story) My secret revealed on how to Master the shaping of my flowers. Don't think this is a gimmick. 100% Horticulture so enjoy!! There is more to flowering than maybe you first thought!! Yes that crucial tiny timeframe holds a hidden and Pro-growing secret.... read on


Ok, first off i'll apologize that i didn't photograph my actual snippings (clones & tips) while cutting them, i wasn't cloning this time. Just snipping :) So i basically just snapped some pics of the locations where i topped, no fimming this round I think a neat snip is the go, no guessing how many colas coming from that section as you can count them yourself one by one and snip where you want. Thick Branches can go 3-4 good size nodes down leaving 3 evenly spaced branches for colas to grow from and they all grow pretty much the same height just slightly and naturally spaced as this method is a 'cloning tip' well what my mentor called it anyway! This makes that 1 future cola become 3 of equal and balanced energy. Some medium branches like secondaries they get a minor 2 node snip just to stunt the growth, not to create 2 colas but simply stop the growth on that branch and the following tips space out and become new branching stems, but only just in time to grow a 'large cola' (evenly spaced nodes stunted so that they grow at a similar rate and inhibit little stretching) but shortened thicker Colas that take up less space yielding more weight per square foot. If you snip too far you stunt too long and the re-growth between the transition to flower from grow will be minimal so it will be smaller buds. More nodes = More bud..... More bud per branch = Bigger Cola :)

Having a play around as different strains may show different characteristics. TIMING IS 100% CRUCIAL IN GAINING A NEAT AND EVENLY SPACED BED OF LARGE COLAS. Just a few days to many can mean disaster and massive stretching, as to why i do this when the plant is in PEAK growth and showing no signs of stress, this way my nodes are so closely spaced because the plant is growing so fast.....AND BELIEVE ME BLINK AND YOU'LL MISS IT ALL. The closer your nodes are the more uniformed your colas will look. Every day after snipping will cause 1-2 nodes to stretch significantly during the flowering stage.

Pics!!

Day 24 Vegging for Jack no. 3 Timing is crucial. Time for me to smarten up and be on my game again :p I haven't put my net in, thats tomorrow i just got everything pointing straight up now to get a full hit of the lamp :)



Oh, Can't forget My jack cut outside can we!! and she is mid-re-vegging hehe showing mild signs of single blade reveg leaves but still sort of budding, this could go on for a while so hold on sub up if you haven't already!

to say i'm stoked mate would be such a massive understatement hey!! Now i just hope they are still viable enough to grow! We'll soon see :)

When you're topping mate, are you clipping only the leaves or are you taking new tips? In the first pic it looks like you've taken a big leaf, or was it actually a top and now the other two will shoot up? Sorry bro, im a tad confused!
 

REALSTYLES

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Yo Flowamasta I'm using Cyco nutes as well and I also picked up their Suga Rush that shits thick like syrup.
 

Mohican

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Hi FlowaMasta,
Thanks for the Masta lesson in pruning! It is very similar to what Nugs does but without the hub configuration and the extensive defoliation.

I am very stoked to learn this - thank you, thank you, thank you!

I can't wait to try my new Holy Smoke seeds with a FlowaMasta grow system and 1K HID.

I saw a couple of bud worms on Saturday and there were also a few dead spots on some colas so I sprayed heavily with Safer Caterpillar Killer (BT bacteria). By this time last year I had hundreds of the little buggars on two small plants and hundresds more when I trimmed. There are definitely quite a bit less this year from spraying BT, and I think this will be the last time I will need to spray.

It was 92F yesterday and it is 95F today! I left the shade over the Big Clone to see if it likes the shade in the heat better than direct sun. It is a white shade so it does give off some light.

Growing is so much fun!!!!!! Especially when I have mates like you ;)

Cheers,
Mo
 

flowamasta

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So your topping it to get more of an even canopy and promote growth? Am I gettn that right? Looks great! Outdoor is looking healthy too!
Thanx mate :)

Yes correct!, the main goal is to create a flat even bed of large evenly sized Colas. Spaced so that the further from the light the closer the buds will be. Trying to circle the lamp somewhat to maximize light penetration. This way my lower buds actually become main heads equal in size to that of the largest colas. The plant no longer has 'Tops and bottoms' but rather 'Mains and secondaries.'

to say i'm stoked mate would be such a massive understatement hey!! Now i just hope they are still viable enough to grow! We'll soon see :)

When you're topping mate, are you clipping only the leaves or are you taking new tips? In the first pic it looks like you've taken a big leaf, or was it actually a top and now the other two will shoot up? Sorry bro, im a tad confused lol

$600 that guitar is goin for so far ay. 1 hour to go! The michael jackson one hasnt changed ay!
lol! little lost in your post..... but im wasted lol...........!!! I take the tips mate :) no good just pinching a leaf ;) Removing the actual growing tip displaces the energy further down the stem to where the lower section nodes were, now i will have 2-3 tips growing up at the same height rather than 1. This will increase yield substantially at each location snipped, and create a much better and balanced canopy instead of having only the top section of a plant to enjoy. My whole setup is essentially 'flowering tops' Over half of my total yield will be in large size colas.

Yo Flowamasta I'm using Cyco nutes as well and I also picked up their Suga Rush that shits thick like syrup.
Good man! join the club :p

Yes the suga rush is very thick, diluting in water after measuring then adding that to the res while stiring and feeding so the solution has no chance to sink to the bottom. Given the slightest stagnation it will thicken up and render it useless. But its good stuff for sure. A few guys are swearing by it after seeing my last grow, i'm not so sure it was that that made the gold. This strain is a keeper, and everyone that i've helped with a clone has not quite found Jacks rhythm. Climatic conditions in my opinion are the number 1 factor in determining the potency AND visual appeal of your end product. You want to MAKE the plant like the environment. You walk past my grow-room, you KNOW its a grow room. 7 fans running, pumps all night, almost every electrical item running on a specially timed configuration so my room stays at a very consistent 'rainforest' type climate. I push my plant to the limits from day 1.

Have fun man and enjoy Cyco, you won't look back. Called Cyco for a reason........ those guys know something special bout Ganja.

Hi FlowaMasta,
Thanks for the Masta lesson in pruning! It is very similar to what Nugs does but without the hub configuration and the extensive defoliation.

I am very stoked to learn this - thank you, thank you, thank you!

I can't wait to try my new Holy Smoke seeds with a FlowaMasta grow system and 1K HID.

I saw a couple of bud worms on Saturday and there were also a few dead spots on some colas so I sprayed heavily with Safer Caterpillar Killer (BT bacteria). By this time last year I had hundreds of the little buggars on two small plants and hundresds more when I trimmed. There are definitely quite a bit less this year from spraying BT, and I think this will be the last time I will need to spray.

It was 92F yesterday and it is 95F today! I left the shade over the Big Clone to see if it likes the shade in the heat better than direct sun. It is a white shade so it does give off some light.

Growing is so much fun!!!!!! Especially when I have mates like you ;)

Cheers,
Mo
Good man Mo!!

I hear you on the bug situation, i myself found a nice size white fly egg AGAIN!!!!! on my indoor, found nice and early so if you see powdery white dots or marks on my leaves, don't stress!! its simply residue left from the chilli, garlic and pyrethrin spray. They always seem to find their way in to my grows, i'm looking into some electronic bug sonic blasters. They always turn up at the exact same time every grow!!!! like a bloody clock.

Never fear! Flowa destroyed them. I emptied the whole bottle, then rinsed 2 hours later. I never see them after my applications. Oh btw i actually found the damn mother flie!! all fat green and hiding........... in my air cooled light system!!! i closed the glass slider which 90% seals the hood. that created a quick suction through the filter and fans, and sucked that little fucker straight through into the carbon filter. Bye bye. It is strange to think my entire air system flows through an inch wide gap in the air cooled hood! Yes i mathematically assigned both fans and filter for a good airflow without the need for a thermostatic controller. My filter extraction IS my heat extraction, so exhausting the used heat from the filter is VERY important, as is supplying fresh air to the room. 100% IMPORTANT. Airflow will make obvious visual differences in every grow application, and at each harvest with a little experience i can start to determine where i need to make adjustments for next time so airflow can get better again. You really, and i can't stress this enough......... YOU MUST MOVE AIR. REPLENISH AND REPLACE. STALE AIR WILL STUNT GROWTH AND MAY MAKE YOU FEEL TIRED WHEN YOU ARE IN THE GROW AREA, LACK OF OXYGEN IS A MAIN CAUSE OF SYSTEMATIC FUNGAL ISSUES. BACTERIA LIKES SITTING STILL SO IF YOUR WHOLE TENT IS WOBBLING.....GOOD!!! SHAKE THAT BABY!! CAREFUL OF THE LIGHT OFCOURSE! BUT ALSO VIBRATIONS CAN ALTER A PLANTS MOLECULAR STRUCTURE AS 'MYTHBUSTERS SHOWED US!!' VIBRATIONS AND MUSIC.....

MAYBE THATS WHY MY PLANTS TURN OUT GREAT!? DUBSTEP BASS ALL DAY AND ITS BASICALLY A CHICK WITH A VIBE. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
 

Scrogreen

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Oh man! Being this high and reading about how vibrations into the tent would help pest control is manking me think crazy! hahaha. Like if we could stand the noise of a bigger non centfirugal inline fan then it would shake the tent. I beleave it would work great. I cant say enough how much I agree when you say "MAYBE THATS WHY MY PLANTS TURN OUT GREAT!? DUBSTEP BASS ALL DAY AND ITS BASICALLY A CHICK WITH A VIBE" because I always thought to myself Plants cant hear or see but they can feel. Its like they are getting a spa treatment massage all day every day. I mean who wouldnt like that! I really want to put that to the test. I know music helps as I have seen and heard of test where the music plants did better then the "controled" plant but what if you just put a small vibratoin on the pot itself? Man I feel smart when Im high! lol
 

REALSTYLES

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Question for ya. I'm thinking of adding either Resinator, Snow Storm Ultra or Crystal burst or should I use just Cyco because I have the pro kit?
 

eastcoastmo

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Yeah i thought as much bro, i must've confused myself hey! I was sitting her thinking..shit does he just take the main leaf, that aint topping at all, how the fuck does that work ha ha ha. 4:30am is waaaay to early to be awake and at the gym lol! Cheers for clearing that up man!

And totally agree about keepin that air moving, id rather have over circulation than under circulation!!
 

flowamasta

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Oh man! Being this high and reading about how vibrations into the tent would help pest control is manking me think crazy! hahaha. Like if we could stand the noise of a bigger non centfirugal inline fan then it would shake the tent. I beleave it would work great. I cant say enough how much I agree when you say "MAYBE THATS WHY MY PLANTS TURN OUT GREAT!? DUBSTEP BASS ALL DAY AND ITS BASICALLY A CHICK WITH A VIBE" because I always thought to myself Plants cant hear or see but they can feel. Its like they are getting a spa treatment massage all day every day. I mean who wouldnt like that! I really want to put that to the test. I know music helps as I have seen and heard of test where the music plants did better then the "controled" plant but what if you just put a small vibratoin on the pot itself? Man I feel smart when Im high! lol
lol :) it does all sound great doesn't it!!? My Fans sit on boxes and foam that rest against the pot :) there is alot of extra vibes there hehe but i think the music itself might have more to do with it maybe, they do think on a molecular level that the energy of the plant is changing in accordance to the music...... so it does make you wonder.

Question for ya. I'm thinking of adding either Resinator, Snow Storm Ultra or Crystal burst or should I use just Cyco because I have the pro kit?
I would most certainly give cyco a go :) their suga rush is superb!! just make sure you give your usual flush without the suga rush, you'll know when it's good to chop the smell goes from stale piss lol to a mixture of apples, wine and something else........ its funky

Yeah i thought as much bro, i must've confused myself hey! I was sitting her thinking..shit does he just take the main leaf, that aint topping at all, how the fuck does that work ha ha ha. 4:30am is waaaay to early to be awake and at the gym lol! Cheers for clearing that up man!

And totally agree about keepin that air moving, id rather have over circulation than under circulation!!
No problemo :) happy to try and help! gotta love how plants grow, once you get the hang of it, you know where to cut and trim. I see a branch here and there, just snip away if it looks like its doing nothing much now, it aint gonna do much later. This is my positioning time, i will be putting my net in tonight.
 

flowamasta

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shortly ;) this plant is crazy FAT. I have to clean out sooooooooooo much lower growth!!! but it wont hurt me yield 1 bit :p talk about a crazy re-vegged girl!! she's got so many tips on her!! just wait till everyone sees...... give me cpl hours max! PROMISE.
 

flowamasta

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Ok!! here we go.

Day 26 Veg, Jack Herer x Old school Skuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunk!!!

Day 26 Vegging, 2 days have passed since i cut my tips away, already the diversion has taken place. You will clearly be able to see some crown sections all over the sections i snipped, it's a little hard to tell, but look closely as the growth is already been 3 + inches since i snipped. (there is a tiny snip section then the lower node below will have come up next to it. The plant will space herself accordingly for the next couple of days.

Weird..... still be going around 28 days veg!!?? same as usual, the stunting from dark periods stunted her, but too early to tell if the different growth pattern will pay off. I've had to snip..... and snip..... you couldn't imagine. Some puny branches 2-3 inches in length tracing along the bottoms of the main branches from all the re-vegging. Incredible really! A new node almost every cm or so! With the weird growth pattern she exhibited she certainly didn't stretch the way i wanted, and i blasted her with light raising my pot for some time then brought her right down for stretching and nothing really happened except for growing an insane thick bush! I could not get my hands in there until i started cleaning up the crap. No light down there = lower than average quality fluff so best to snip off early before flowering so my stress period will be over and back into Full Bore mode!!! 2-3 days max. I guarantee.

Here is a shot before i started my scrog training.

Day 26!!



Here is an extreme close-up of a 'WHITE FLY EGG' after it has been born, i couldn't find any more then 2 on 1 branch this one being NOT intact, the other still very small, and instantly crushed to death! This egg looks VERY unique and strange. I have seen this almost EVERY grow like clock work, its hard to get around as i possibly bring them inside. I'm looking into another form of pest control soon (electric sonic sounding) I use chilli and garlic insect spray at the moment which leaves a residue that is a little itchy on the skin, so after application i always rinse the plant down well and clean ALL THE WALLS inside the tent. Water or liquid will dry and cause those window spots, and that will soak up valuable UV light! clean reflective material maximizes the Lamps efficiency in your setup so every little thing helps in my opinion.

Anyway....... the egg, behold. Before you get to worried, i am always onto these straight away and rectify and never have an issue for the rest of flowering for some reason. I spray my chilli spray every week, but there is those days where they have a free pass and the leaves are safe for them to eat so they can lay their singular rare eggs on the leaf stem. They can destroy your leaves if you don't get onto them quick smart, they leave mucus and this mucus is bacteria, which may lead to fungal disease in a low immunity system.



Cleanup time of low exposure branches, anything that really isn't going to help my quality or yield.

Clean as a whistle! golden iso/honey and a little side of my favourite extracted shellite honey.



Time to fit the 2 x Layers of netting. The first it to pull the plant down, and spread her legs. this will expose even more inner branches that i purposely left on to produce nice dense colas. The second layer of netting is to help support my Bigest colas and the overall canopy. This time i'm going to need it :p she's not quite corner to corner in the tent like i hoped, BUT she's twice as bushy, and the amount of tops is laughable!! She will do the usual stretch during flower, and should work out absolutely perfect :)

Thanx all for being here, i'll finish up my post with my further training pics of smaller tips that i left single, and look closely for the spots i snipped where they have multiplied. I would show you but have no editing software for my camera, only just found photoshop the other day, but need to do the whole computer cleanout thing again. its getting close to another 10000 pics in my folder lol

I train the small tips by VERY CAREFULLY sliding them under the tightened netting, and carefully try to splice my nodes over and under the thin plastic netting and this will help them spread out slightly instead of stunting. Still better than just leaving the, as it also adds strength making a stronger stem that can support more weight and drink more water and nutrient. I do the same again with my new mains and secondaries if anything is needed when i hit flowering stage and a little more training to maintain consistency, and keeping good airflow, It gets thick quick, replenishes and overgrows profusely. But she's a big plant.......... what more could i possibly ask for?! she's drinking like Hanock a good 15-16 litres per 24hrs. The final pics are of everything in place, ready to perk up again. Tomorrow will show great improvement and hopefully another 2-3 inches. and 1-2 more nodes. I want 3-4 then i'm flowering. You know it!!!!

 

eastcoastmo

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Bloody hell man, you have this scrog thing down to a fine art! Meticulously trimmed to perfection lol. God i hope my scrog turns out as neat and tidy as yours bro :) with all the handy tips you give out though it should come fairly close ;)

Your girl is looking magnificent as always bro *tips hat* :-)
 

flowamasta

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Bloody hell man, you have this scrog thing down to a fine art! Meticulously trimmed to perfection lol. God i hope my scrog turns out as neat and tidy as yours bro :) with all the handy tips you give out though it should come fairly close ;)

Your girl is looking magnificent as always bro *tips hat* :-)
I think i'm getting there :) cheers man, i almost do things without thinking now like removing certain little pissy branches or leaves, not worried if i do the wrong thing.

Good luck with your scrog man, it gets easy but can become a jungle quickly if not maintained ;) i've seen people go whoops, and all the way to the roof...... with just a week too long.

Thanx for the kind compliments as always! i hope i am displaying in a way that is easy for anyone. :)
 

eastcoastmo

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Ha ha yeah dude, it looks like its second nature to you now! Im sure in time it will be the same for me!
All the info and pics etc mate are awesome, very helpful and explanatory :) and very much appreciated too :-)
 

Mohican

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Hey FlowaMasta - I knew they did not fix my camera right. It is still my fault for dropping it - oops :)

The new one is killing it! I am taking pics like the Masta now - yesh!

I can see trichs again!

Big Clone Flower:





WOG Flower in the Rain:







I am soooooo stoked!



Cheers,
Mo
 

flowamasta

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Hey FlowaMasta - I knew they did not fix my camera right. It is still my fault for dropping it - oops :)

The new one is killing it! I am taking pics like the Masta now - yesh!

I can see trichs again!

Big Clone Flower:





WOG Flower in the Rain:







I am soooooo stoked!



Cheers,
Mo
awesome work Mo! i thought something looked a little odd, i thought maybe the uploading site had quality limitations or something....? make sure you go through all the menu settings again and make sure the detail is set on 14mp and whatnot! I believe mine was all set standard on 5mp as the standard memory is only flash and can only support 1 good qualtity true 14.2mp shot on the flash, this ofcourse goes way up when you add a 16gb or 32gb memory card where the battery slot is

Not sure if i mentioned that or not, some versions are direct, some are setup.
Your shots will get more clear each shot i bet Mo :) have fun with the new bargain Samsung!!!
 
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