FIRST TURBOKLONE 1ST CYCLE COMPLETE FAILURE

Strudelheim

Well-Known Member
Over the weekend I started the new run, that you guys get to witness and give feedback on all in real time. Any insights or comments are welcome.

I started by cleaning everything with bleach in the bath tub - the trays,the domes, the turbo kloner (ran it with the bleach solution inside for an hour). As well as the scissors, razor blades, cutting board.

I also gave many of these plants I took the cuts from bloom nutrients instead of vegging, so less nitrogen should be in the plant tissue.

The ones I did in Rockwell Cubes I dipped in aloe and then in rooting compound powder. Don't have any other cloning solutions or gels until later this week. Soaked cubes in 5.6 PH/ 220PPM TAP water - no nutrients, this is the mix I made for the Turboklone as well.

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These are the Gorilla Bubble Clones. I did a whole tray of these. I did 2 cuttings per cube. So if I get 50% sucess rate, I still get 1 clone per cube. If both root, I just split the cube and transplant into cups with soil. I don't mind the transplant shock, usually if they have roots they will make it and thats all that matters right now.

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Seedling Mat Heat Controller set to 77F. This controller has a wider range of almost 2-3F, so this way it goes between 75-80, but mostly stays in the 77 target range.

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Heres the other tray. each row front to back is a different strain. I split one cube into 2 halves and then 1 cut per half.

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1x17W 4K LED Tube @ 18/6, 10" from tops of clones = 8,000 Lumens

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1X 20W 3K LED floodlight 20" From Clones = 6,000 LUMENS, on 18/6.

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RES temp is set at 72F, so the range is 71-73, using an aquarium heater attached to thermostat controller. The top temperature is the same 72F with the dome on. Ambient Room temp is 70F lights on, 67 lights off.

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Each row of 4 is a different strain, plus 3 Gorilla Bubbles, so can do a side by side comparison to the rockwell cube gorrila bubbles. I only used the powdered hormone, no aloe, as I didn't want the organic matter gunking up the resevoir and causing problems. I have ordered a resevoir hormone concentrate to add and should be here in a few days. I will be buying the ez clone rooting compound, and REMO roots cloning compound tomorrow or day after and will apply it to them again then.

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Pics are from yesterday. They look good today. When I go into the veg room everyday I will be removing the covers for 10-20 minutes on all of them to get some air exchange. And maybe 2-3 times everyday when I check on them I will take the dome off and give them a good 10 second fanning/wafting for air exchange. Other than that I will keep the domes on. I honestly think that has been my number one mistake. Thinking lower humidity will encourage root growth so the sooner the better to remove them. But this would just cause them to stress without wilting but simply not putting on any roots. I know some people don't have domes, but it all depends on the environment. in my veg room I have an exhaust fan on high, to keep down the humidity in the veg tent, so there is air movement in the room, and the clones are getting the dryest air @ 45/50 % RH before it goes into the tent and then out. So I think domes are best for me. I won't be doing any misting.

Will check and adjust Turbo Res every 2 days. And will make updates on here every 2 days as well. I spent so much time on this over the weekend, I am giving it my best effort, and hopefully, you guys can watch my back and give support, and watch me succeed. If I fail, I will slip into a deep depression, as I won't know what to do differently.
 

Strudelheim

Well-Known Member
UPDATE

DAY 3
Removed the dome, they were fine without so its been off since then

DAY 5

I changed out the res (washed with vinegar), and applied remo roots cloning gel. Today, Ph was at 6.7, so adjusted back to 5.7. The cloning gel, had also washed off.

So for the last 6 days....

res temps day 72-74F
res temps night 68F
room air temp day 72F
room air temp night 68F
RH 40-60%

ROCKWELL CLONES

Temps steady at 75-78F - I put the temperature probe into a Rockwell cube so this is the target temp for the rootzone, and the dome is at the same temperature I have noticed. Maybe 1-2F lower in the dome than the cube, while the heat mat is on.

Humidity 90% RH - I open the dome a few times a day for maybe a minute to get some air circulation happening.

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Ok so if you compare my stems to the Instagram post that I saw with someone who is also using the turboklone, the difference is night and day. I am more than patient, but it looks like there is nothing happening! No bumps or white knots, just the stem, the exact same way it looked on day 1. Starting to get that sinking feeling that this run will be failure again. I don't even want 100% success. I would be jumping with joy with 30%, but 0% run after run after run.

Yeah Im pretty frustrated. Like I only need 1 to root, so that I can flip the mom that Ive been vegging for way to many months because I cant flower her until I have her backed up!
 

Strudelheim

Well-Known Member
FINAL UPDATE

DAY 12

TURBO KLONE

the tops look ok, no wilting, no dying, no rotting/mold,
unfortunately, there is not a single root, and so far no knots or bumps.
I will be patient and wait another week to see if something will happen.

ROCKWOOL CUBES

100% MOLD AND ROTTEN STEMS. I think this is due to rockwool being at full water holding capacity. No one has mentioned this is that detrimental. Everyone focused on rooting hormones, lighting, temps, humidity, cleanliness, cutting size. And when it is mentioned it is said often to squeeze them. No that damages the air pocket structure.

Will be using a salad spinner and a scale to achieve a 50% water capacity retention.

I have also decided to have the dome vents completely open in the next run. 100% humidity I think may not be necessary. 80% range is fine maybe?

This is my last post on this thread, for the next and all future attempts I am starting a new thread, that is appropriately titled and introduced as this issue will be ongoing for me obviously more than one or two runs, since Im on run 3 now, and I don't see success anytime soon with my experiences.

P.S. Ive been growing for 3 years, and have rooted 100s of cuttings, I had most success in the first year, so Ive been on a 2 year rut. so will continue switching things up and going back to how I may have done some things previously. Back then, I didn't even have temps dialed in, or the amount of light, used a rusty razor blade. used 0 hormones, didn't check humidity, had a heat matt on full blast 24/7 with no controller! and guys I had all the cuttings I wanted. Amazing roots 7-10 days!!!20200323_091859.jpg20200323_202626.jpg20200325_194619.jpg20200326_143458.jpg20200327_093131.jpg
 
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