First time grower- please help diagnose

brightlites

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Long time lurker, first time poster, first time grower. I think I have a pH problem, but I'm not totally sure and I'm not sure how to fix it. I have four, 7 week old autoflowers going. They're growing in Coast of Maine Stonington Blend, in 5 gallon smart pots. They're under 400 watts of 3000k 90 CRI Vero 29s in a 3x3 tent with good ventilation and air movement. Temps range from 62- 76, and RH from 45-55% generally. The closest top is about 14" from the light. I have a GH Go Box, but I've barely used it since the soil is fortified. I've used cal-mag a few times. They were looking great for the first 4-5 weeks. I was using Galaxy Hydro blurples for the first 5 weeks, and hung the COBs about 2 weeks ago. They started going down hill shortly after the COBs were in place, but were showing signs of problems even under the blurple. I'm around 1000 PPFD according to Timber Grow Lights.

The Amnesia Haze is by far the smallest, but also the healthiest one and seems to be thriving. It's all nug! It's the front left plant. The back left and front right are Northern Lights. They're droopy often, but not all of the time, and the leaves are a very pale green. Some leaf stems are purple, and the leaves are recently showing purple.The back left plant is doing much better than the front right. The back right is a blueberry and it looks the worst of them all. The main stems have purple stripes, the fan leaves form brown and purple spots that spread and eventually the leaves die and easily pull from the plant. Big purple areas on the ok looking leaves, especially the veins. The purple started in the fan leaves, but is now showing in the budding areas also. Even with all of the unhealthy looking traits, it's still cranking out buds that are getting bigger daily. The Blueberry and front Northern Lights also show nute burn on the tips of the upper leaves, even with all the signs of deficiency. Hence, I think it's pH related.

I didn't check pH for the first month or so until I realized that it seemed like I had an issue. I know, noob mistake! I'm watering with softish tap water and the pH is around 8 before adjusting, plus or minus a few tenths. My runoff has consistently been in the 7.4- 8 range since I started testing. I started watering with tap pH'd to 6 for a couple waterings, and the last 2 have been pH'd from high 4s to low 5s to try to correct the soil pH. I've read that to really correct a large pH problem like I think I have, I should flush with 15 gallons of lightly fertilized, mid 6 pH'd distilled water to "reset". I also read that should only be done in an emergency because the plant won't like it.

So, here I am, at a loss. Should I flush the blueberry? Any recommendations?

TL;DR: Didn't measure pH for a month. They were growing like MFers for that month. Swapped blurple for 400w of COBs and plants look like hell since shortly after. Not sure what to do next. Sad plants (5 of 5).jpg Sad plants (1 of 5).jpg Sad plants (2 of 5).jpg Sad plants (3 of 5).jpg Sad plants (4 of 5).jpg
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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it very much looks like chronic over watering.
you should let your pots get pretty dry between waterings, give the roots time to breath a little before they get soaked again.
if you have good watering habits, and don't over water, then you may have a little root rot. i like to use hydrogen peroxide myself, keeps the roots aerated, dissolves any old dead material, and kills any pathogens in your soil.
there are also products like hydroguard, which are beneficial organisms that colonize your plants roots and out compete any bad organisms, starving them out.
many deficiencies, particularly phosphorous, can be caused by overwatering.
i'd stop trying to correct your soil ph, just adjust your feed, between 6.2 and 7.0. unless theres something very wrong with it, soil will buffer and correct itself as long as you keep feeding it the right stuff.
 

Haze the maze

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You need to get your temps up so that you plants will drink the water that you are giving them.
I would suggest starting with temps @ 80-81 F day and night for 3-4 days. then when the plants start drinking go with a more flower like temp range of 70- 78. never let your plats go below 64F or you will get tiny flowers :rolleyes:.
What you need to do is to get your plants drinking in your fert.
Most well tended plants need water every 3 days
If you have access to a aquarium aerator I like to bubble up the water before adding nutes to get Oxygen down to the roots when I water. You may also look into Hydrogen Peroxide to get some air into the roots as long as this is not an organic grow
Plants that are not drinking will show all of the signs of your plants.
But, Don't panic they will bounce back and they still need to build on some weight.
They look nice :weed:

Peace :peace:
 

brightlites

Member
it very much looks like chronic over watering.
you should let your pots get pretty dry between waterings, give the roots time to breath a little before they get soaked again.
if you have good watering habits, and don't over water, then you may have a little root rot. i like to use hydrogen peroxide myself, keeps the roots aerated, dissolves any old dead material, and kills any pathogens in your soil.
there are also products like hydroguard, which are beneficial organisms that colonize your plants roots and out compete any bad organisms, starving them out.
many deficiencies, particularly phosphorous, can be caused by overwatering.
i'd stop trying to correct your soil ph, just adjust your feed, between 6.2 and 7.0. unless theres something very wrong with it, soil will buffer and correct itself as long as you keep feeding it the right stuff.
You need to get your temps up so that you plants will drink the water that you are giving them.
I would suggest starting with temps @ 80-81 F day and night for 3-4 days. then when the plants start drinking go with a more flower like temp range of 70- 78. never let your plats go below 64F or you will get tiny flowers :rolleyes:.
What you need to do is to get your plants drinking in your fert.
Most well tended plants need water every 3 days
If you have access to a aquarium aerator I like to bubble up the water before adding nutes to get Oxygen down to the roots when I water. You may also look into Hydrogen Peroxide to get some air into the roots as long as this is not an organic grow
Plants that are not drinking will show all of the signs of your plants.
But, Don't panic they will bounce back and they still need to build on some weight.
They look nice :weed:

Peace :peace:

I'm watering about every 3 days and they're usually dry down at least 2" at that point. The blueberry drinks the least. I've been watering about 1.25 gallons each time and I get about a half inch of runoff in my trays with that amount. I'll wait 4-5 days and see what happens, and then I'll water with mid to low 6s. I'll read up on peroxide. How much and how often do you mix in peroxide? Haze, why do you say only use peroxide if it's not an organic grow?

My temps have plummeted in the last week as winter has suddenly arrived here! I put a small heater in there yesterday and it seems the highest I can maintain currently is 76 day and 62 at night. I'll see what I can do to up the night temps. I'm thinking of repurposing some central air duct work and harnessing some heated air from upstairs :bigjoint:

I usually shake my water bottles before I water to introduce oxygen. How long would you run an aquarium pump per gallon?

The seeds came from ilovegrowingmarijuana

Thanks guys! I really appreciate the help! :peace:
 
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