First time grower. 8 weeks Veg

LoganGP

Active Member
Hello,

Just thought to share my progress since starting this project 8 weeks ago.
Started out with 10 Crop King seeds, 5x OG Kush and 5x Sour Diesel. Germinated seeds by placing in a cup of water for 24hrs on a propagation heat pad. Then another 24 hrs on paper towels on the heat pad. Had 9 of the 10 germinate. Placed in jiffy pellets and put into a propagation dome for 7 days on 18/6 lighting. Slowly turned down the humidity before removing from propagation dome. Then Transplanted into 1 gallon plastic pots. I did a triple Mix with 1/3 Pro Mix hp & 1/3 Happy frog Potting soil & 1/3 perlite. Placed freshly potted plants into a Piverto veteran 4x4 tent with 450watt led. Tent temperature was kept around 72-78 degrees lights on with a humidity of 65-70% Waterings between 3-5 days With tap water that had sat in a 10 gallon bucket with an air bubbler to clear up our city water with Chlorine. Water was balanced with bluelab Ph and EC pens. Our city water has a Ph 8.0 & EC 0.3. After 12 days in the 1 gallon pots I transplanted into 5 gallon cloth smart pots. The roots were looking very developed almost root bound? Started feeding nutes about 4 weeks into veg. I was at first using some nutes that I purchased from Piverto at the time of my tent order. They are in the form of salts. I fed them a little heavy! (finding out after doing some research) Used 2.0ec feedings and fed them back to back for 4 waterings over the next 2 weeks. I was kinda getting ahead of myself and not researching before doing as I was stoked to be growing ;) I noticed some of the leaf tips were browning and I started to measure the runoff. It was around 2.8ec! For all these waterings I was getting about 20% runoff.

This is where things get interesting. Over the last two weeks I was building what is to be my ultimate grow room. I’ve spent some time reserching grow rooms as I did not have intentions of long term use with the 4x4 tent. I built a 8’x10’x 7’6” ceilings shed package.
-1200btu perfect air Split AC
-4x spider farmer sf2000 leds
-Fresh air drawn in through 20x25x5 furnace filter box homebuilt.
-titan co2 regulator and rain tubing with 50lb co2 bottle.
-small humidifier and exhaust fan hooked to an inkbird humidistat.
- small heater hooked to Inkbird temp thermostat.
-4” suction fan from filter air box to shed( to reduce negative pressure while exhaust dumping.
-6” carbon fan filter air dump/humidity control/air exchanges.
-8” carbon fan/filter to scrub air inside shed at all times.
-2” thick foam from hardware store for interior. Almost like a Mylar material. I’ve seen a few people online use this so figured to give it a try.

Now that the grow house is ready, I worked at getting the temps/humidity dialled in and and stable.
The plants went into the grow house that is actually inside my heated shop. I had the temps around 78-80 degrees humidity 65-75% and started putting co2 in at 1300ppm. I now had given the plants an couple waterings with just tap water to flush as I figured over fed. I switched to Using Advanced nutrients 3 pack micro/grow/bloom. Giving them feedings now of only around 0.7ec max and only every second watering.not sure what is going on as the plants have some major brown spots and and looks like some leafs are dying and yellowing. This is where I’m lost and getting worried.

I have been slowly switching the time shift to flower from 18 hrs down to 12hrs. Looking at doing this over 7 days. As I’ve read you get less stretching.

Any comments questions or tips sure are welcome.
Thanks.
 
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Hust17

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Hello, I want to start by saying wow fantastic setup!! Living the dream buddy!! And please don’t take this next part negatively, just trying to help:

You’re gonna hear AN nutes suck. I don’t have a preference, I think if the nute line has everything it’s possible, some just trickier than others. That said, what is your pH at, you might just not be up taking the nutes. Either way, flush it through for the next water with pH’d water and then continue feeding the following at a very low PPM (~300) and make sure it’s in the proper pH range :) edit: I see you tried this, so I’m worried about your pH?

You could manage your canopy a bit better. The LEDs aren’t going to penetrate further than about 18” down the canopy. You can probably double your plant number and go for just slightly smaller plants that are topped once.

You’re doing great overall, just some tips to help optimize! Happy 2020!

edit: I’m not too familiar with CO2 but I’m worried that’s causing your issues.
 
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Vivamp13

Member
ey guys. So I’m sorry to re use this thread. I did one outdoor grow this summer and am on my first indoor. I started wi th a 4x4 tent. 4 plants. Kept low stress training topping and have pruned a few times. My plants are super healthy and I have completely filled my screen I was thinking about begging anotjer week or two but after seeing your pics I may have vegged too long ? I have another screen to weave again. Will I come into issues with having too many buds in small areas ? My blue dream is especially monstrous with four to five bud locations in one sections. Included pics Please feel free to give any advice on switching to flower. Thanks in advance. V
PS started a 2x2 tent with a few babies vegging I be ready for the big tent once these girls flower !!! Souped for the switch !!!!9221AC90-8803-4A8D-AED8-80C99301B2E2.jpeg37889329-7231-4230-B4B5-89CDE147004B.jpeg
 

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LarsVegasNirvana

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Amazing first grow! They look a little overwatered, and the brown splotches could be from root rot. Let them dry out a little more between waterings. Also, maybe try a bacterial supplement for roots like botanicare hydroguard. I usually use more than 30% perlite with promix and happy frog is even heavier than promix. Maybe next time use light warrior or more perlite.

Also, don't give them plain water, give them nutrients every time, just at a lower ppm.
 

LoganGP

Active Member
Thanks for the compliments and advice. As for the nutes I don’t really have a preference. I’ve too heard that AN sucks but then lots people use them too, So I dunno? As for the water I’m feeding is Ph 6.3-6.6. I have the flower sites pulled out and tied down with wire doing some low stress. I have also lowered the co2 down to about 1000ppm in the last couple days as dropped the temps to 80 degrees. This is not a sealed grow room as I’m controlling the humidity by venting. I’ve done a bit of research into co2 and just have to make it work down the road. Baby steps I guess. Even though I’ve jumped into the deep end. Haha
 

Hust17

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I’m not 100% sure, but I believe people using promix are using a pH of about 5.8-6.3, you could be a bit out of range. Lars could also be right, I haven’t really seen overwatering before as I’m in coco but it would be consistent with the tips falling.
 

LarsVegasNirvana

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ey guys. So I’m sorry to re use this thread. I did one outdoor grow this summer and am on my first indoor. I started wi th a 4x4 tent. 4 plants. Kept low stress training topping and have pruned a few times. My plants are super healthy and I have completely filled my screen I was thinking about begging anotjer week or two but after seeing your pics I may have vegged too long ? I have another screen to weave again. Will I come into issues with having too many buds in small areas ? My blue dream is especially monstrous with four to five bud locations in one sections. Included pics Please feel free to give any advice on switching to flower. Thanks in advance. V
PS started a 2x2 tent with a few babies vegging I be ready for the big tent once these girls flower !!! Souped for the switch !!!!View attachment 4448038View attachment 4448039
Flip now. A proper scrog is when you pull the tops down under the screen _during_ the flower stretch, not before it. These are going to grow right through that screen and you're going to need another one to just hold up the colas from flopping over because they're so tall.
 

Hust17

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Flip now. A proper scrog is when you pull the tops down under the screen _during_ the flower stretch, not before it. These are going to grow right through that screen and you're going to need another one to just hold up the colas from flopping over because they're so tall.
Would be perfect if he had like 2000W HPS and could penetrate like 2 feet into the canopy hehe

But yes, second screen for sure and I wouldn’t leave much below that first screen.
 

LoganGP

Active Member
Amazing first grow! They look a little overwatered, and the brown splotches could be from root rot. Let them dry out a little more between waterings. Also, maybe try a bacterial supplement for roots like botanicare hydroguard. I usually use more than 30% perlite with promix and happy frog is even heavier than promix. Maybe next time use light warrior or more perlite.

Also, don't give them plain water, give them nutrients every time, just at a lower ppm.
Hey thanks for the info.
I’ve been letting the lots dry right out In my opinion? Like they are very dry. I even cut a hole in a few levels of the pots to feel with finger and seems dry?
Yea I agreed with the soils the happy frog is heavy. I will use more perlite next run. It seems like the medium is very dense/hard now too. The last 2-3 weeks I have been defiantly letting them dry out. I’ve been feeding each 5gallon our About 1 gallon with at least 20% runoff.
 

Vivamp13

Member
Would be perfect if he had like 2000W HPS and could penetrate like 2 feet into the canopy hehe

But yes, second screen for sure and I wouldn’t leave much below that first screen.
What do you mean don’t leave much below first canopy ? Like prune and lollipop everything that isn’t in atLEASt first canopy ?
 

Hust17

Well-Known Member
Hey thanks for the info.
I’ve been letting the lots dry right out In my opinion? Like they are very dry. I even cut a hole in a few levels of the pots to feel with finger and seems dry?
Yea I agreed with the soils the happy frog is heavy. I will use more perlite next run. It seems like the medium is very dense/hard now too. The last 2-3 weeks I have been defiantly letting them dry out. I’ve been feeding each 5gallon our About 1 gallon with at least 20% runoff.
Wait, you can saturate your 5G pot with only 1G of water?
 

Hust17

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What do you mean don’t leave much below first canopy ? Like prune and lollipop everything that isn’t in atLEASt first canopy ?
Flip the lights, stretch 3 weeks, then prune everything lower than 18-24” under the top of the canopy and defoliate the rest.
 

Hust17

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I think you’ve got a bit of a medium problem but I would flush and water even lower, 300 ppm if it’s every 2 days, until they’re back to normal. I’d also try a bit lower pH. Do you have a recent runoff PPM?
 

LarsVegasNirvana

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Hey thanks for the info.
I’ve been letting the lots dry right out In my opinion? Like they are very dry. I even cut a hole in a few levels of the pots to feel with finger and seems dry?
Yea I agreed with the soils the happy frog is heavy. I will use more perlite next run. It seems like the medium is very dense/hard now too. The last 2-3 weeks I have been defiantly letting them dry out. I’ve been feeding each 5gallon our About 1 gallon with at least 20% runoff.
You could have either problem, the droopyness of the leaves is a symptom of both over and under watering. You could also have root death from either problem, since if you wait too long to water to the point where the peat becomes rock hard, sometimes it will not absorb water again, and you can end up with dry spots where the roots die from lack of water even though you are watering and it looks like root rot but there is no rotting going on.

Big blotchy dead spots on the leaves means big dead areas in the roots. Plants are just a series of tubes, and they're kind of random where they attach to the upper part of the plant, so the parts that die up top are pretty random once a section of root dies.
 
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