First real grow, need some help and any advice is appreciated!

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Mullogra000

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Hey guys, this will be my first grow indoors with good seeds I successfully grew a plant outside last year with a bag seed and it went fairly smoothly and I got a little over an ounce dried wo I'm hoping to even better this go round.
So I'll start with the light I ordered a viperspectra 450watt led, 3gal fabric pots and ffof soil and trio liquid nutrients white widow seeds are from ilgm. I germed 2 seeds with the paper towel method and started in solo cups i transplanted to the 3 gallon pots on day 5. I topped one and fim'd one this morning (day 10 by the way) and here's where I'm needing some help I'm noticing some discoloration and am having some trouble diagnosing.
Sorry I know it's hard to see in the pics but the yellowing starts at the base of the leaf and is working out It just started up sometime after I topped this morning.
No added nutrients and my ph tester is on it's way as we speak.
Thanks for any help in advance!!
 

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FLO-GRO

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Sorta looks like nitrogen deficiency as it's in the new growth on top instead of lower foliage. Not sure how that's possible tho in ff at such a young age?
How old is the transplant, possible slight shock? They take water slower sometimes after transplant... Don't over water. Let them tell you they want water (droopy lower leaves NOT WILTED).
Easy on the nutes when young, don't need it as ff soil is often hot.
What have you fed them thus far?
Soil pH tester?
 
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Mullogra000

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I believe the ph tester I ordered will do both soil and water.
And i haven't added any nutrients so far i was told ff soil was good for the first 3 weeks atleast but I do have ff grow big, buds and blooms and tiger bloom for when the times comes, any advice on using them would be awesome as well.
I am using tap water right now and only water about once a week.
 
Wangdoodler

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It’s a deficiency, none the less. It could be a nitrogen, could be magnesium. What you do know is that you’ve been feeding her water only and you now have deficiency. Feed her a little and go from there. I think I heard her crying. Lol
 
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Get your pH tester, calibrate it, use it....then see what it says. Doing anything more or less at this point will be counterproductive. Good luck.
 
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Mullogra000

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I mixed in 1/4 strength buds and bloom and 1/4 grow big in a gallon of water and fed I used about 2/3 of a gallon.
Ph tester wont be here for 6 more days.
 
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Had someone tell me since it was organic it was okay to feed quarter strength throughout the grow cycle if that's not a good idea just let me know I didn't give mine nutrients last year just buried a catfish a foot down filled the hole with compost 2/3 of the way and filled with good soil and planted.
I know I actually need more than just the trio but i didn't find that out until after i ordered it so that's what i have at the moment.
 
Budzbuddha

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First .... NEVER try to diagnose plant issues under “ unnatural “ light. Color tends to highlight shit that really isn’t an issue.
Second ..... PLANTS IN FFOF NEED NOTHING ADDED.

Plant looks young and is still needing to acclimate to soil. . Like stepping into a hot tub .....
This where many goof up , soil is highly ammended and often causes upfront burning on some strains . And adding even more Nutes just makes things worse. That medium believe it or not Will carry growth for 5-6 weeks on “ water alone “. Ph 6.5 and kick back.
FF trio is highly concentrated, so keep that in mind. Gro big can torch a plant if not careful. Big Bloom is the ONLY organic out of the 3 and can be used with this soil , starting at 1/4 strength so plant isnt overwhelmed until it continues to acclimate. Some strains are sensitive , but they grow out of it , if don’t dump more things into equation

If using RO water add a little calmag ( since it is sometimes filtered out ) . I use Tap and no issues. It’s a plant just like the ones outside and they don’t need fancy water.

Third ..... Always run BOTH SWITCHES ON with vipar..... Always.
 
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Mullogra000

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Thank you for the info, I run both switches already didn't figure it could hurt so I'm glad that's right.
And that's my bad I used big bloom and grow big not the buds and bloom.
I hope I didn't mess up by adding any.
Took a couple pics without the lights on but I threw that one in there as it was the only pic the yellow really showed up in but I will refrain from that in the future.
Thanks again I appreciate it!
 
Budzbuddha

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Mullogra000 said:
Thank you for the info, I run both switches already didn't figure it could hurt so I'm glad that's right.
And that's my bad I used big bloom and grow big not the buds and bloom.
I hope I didn't mess up by adding any.
Took a couple pics without the lights on but I threw that one in there as it was the only pic the yellow really showed up in but I will refrain from that in the future.
Thanks again I appreciate it!
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Its a learning thing , no issues.
 
Gentlemencorpse

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Listen to @Budzbuddha! There's a lot of misinformation around. Nutrient companies label their products in all kinds of misleading ways. Grow nutes are just high in N. Bloom nutes are high in PK and micro solutions round out the spectrum.

In FFOF I don't feed anything for 3 weeks or more depending on what the plants tell me. After that I prefer using a single dry nute like MegaCrop/Veg+Bloom or just top dress with more FFOF.

If you stick with the fox farms stuff it does work just fine. And you do usually feed a small dose of Bloom even in veg when you get to that point. Personally, its the Grow Big I have no use for, at any stage. When I was using fox farms (or general organics for that matter) I usually added a little CalMag which also has N in it, so between that, Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom I've never once needed the Grow Big.

Oh, and being organic has nothing to do with when your plants need additional nutrients, but as was mentioned, FF trio is definitely not organic.
 
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Thanks for the info I dont know very much about the nutrients, I'll leave out the grow big next time and it looks like I need to get ahold of some CalMag I was reading yesterday that you almost always need it with ffof.
I just hope I can keep these 2 alive and get them healthy enough to attempt to take some clones in a few weeks!!
 
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Ya, I think you'll be fine. A little discoloration is nothing to freak out about. The CalMag in my experience has been more tied to the lights than the soil. Under LED and CMH I've usually needed it but when I grew under an HPS I never touched the stuff, all in FFOF. I'm not smart enough to know why lol. These days I'm trying a lobster shell compost that's supposedly really high in Ca in the hopes I won't need it anymore.
 
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FLO-GRO

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Budzbuddha said:
First .... NEVER try to diagnose plant issues under “ unnatural “ light. Color tends to highlight shit that really isn’t an issue.
Second ..... PLANTS IN FFOF NEED NOTHING ADDED.

Plant looks young and is still needing to acclimate to soil. . Like stepping into a hot tub .....
This where many goof up , soil is highly ammended and often causes upfront burning on some strains . And adding even more Nutes just makes things worse. That medium believe it or not Will carry growth for 5-6 weeks on “ water alone “. Ph 6.5 and kick back.
FF trio is highly concentrated, so keep that in mind. Gro big can torch a plant if not careful. Big Bloom is the ONLY organic out of the 3 and can be used with this soil , starting at 1/4 strength so plant isnt overwhelmed until it continues to acclimate. Some strains are sensitive , but they grow out of it , if don’t dump more things into equation

If using RO water add a little calmag ( since it is sometimes filtered out ) . I use Tap and no issues. It’s a plant just like the ones outside and they don’t need fancy water.

Third ..... Always run BOTH SWITCHES ON with vipar..... Always.
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I agree with you. I have never heard of needing food in ff until somewhere in mid to late veg. Transplant usually does cause slight to mild shock that i've witnessed different recovery time dependant on resilience of particular strains. As a result i've learned to just give them their space for a week or two after potting anything only giving SMALL amounts of water when she tells me to as there is now way to schedule waterings when a plant is in shock, they just do what they want period.
 
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Mullogra000

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So it's been 4 days since I fed well I guess 5 now but they both seem to have perked back up the 2 new growths on the plant that I topped first where yellow when I took the last pics they have since turned green again and I'm very happy, I ordered some calmag blue planet is the brand I believe also ordered some neem oil just in case and an ipower 6in inline fan and carbon filter kit.
 

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Have animal cookies and Chernobyl seedling in the room as well and will be adding a bloomspect 600watt tomorrow friend upgraded to a bigger light and gave it to me.
 
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I am feeding half strength big bloom and quarter strength grow big every other watering now with calmag every watering in distilled water usually about once a week my ph tester hit a snag apparently and still hasn't arrived...
I have 1 or 2 leaves on both plants that look like the one pictured anything to worry about?
Plan on taking a few clones either today or tomorrow, any advice would be awesome!

Saw a small green bug yesterday on a leaf and haven't seen another but I do have neem oil, should i make a soil drench solution with it or a foliar spray I found 2 really good write ups on using it for both.
 

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