lowerarchy
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How big is your flower room, maximto?
First Large Scale Grow - Perpetual Garden aiming to yield 1 lb per week
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robjones1
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I dunno to me a 1week cycle is a nightmare logistically... I am looking at a one month cycle. This to me simplifies the process, harvest, dry, cure, clones, veg etc...You may go insane on that schedule! Not sure if you are a seasoned pro at this or not. I not (like me) I would suggest starting at a longer cycle, trying that out and getting used to it (say one month), then splitting that in half (2 weeks), then splitting that in half etc...A progression of sorts. Just my input 
woodsmaneh!
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The math does not work for me with 4 1000w. First if you can get 1 lb per light thats 4 lb every 2 months if you harvest every 60 days that = 24 lb a year = 1 lb every 16 days.
Using 1000w you only have a growing height of 4 to 5 feet, remember the light will always be 8 to 12" above the plant even with a cool tube so that takes away from your growth height. You can grow 5 foot plants there just won't be much of anything on the bottom foot.
Using any type of hydro system will require separate systems for plants at different stages.$$$$
I say growing in pails or beds will save you time, $$ and effort. Much less to go wrong.
If you master all 6 elements needed to grow very well you should have no problems getting 800g+
from one 1000w. Light, Oxygen, water, Temp., Humidity and Co2.
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Using 1000w you only have a growing height of 4 to 5 feet, remember the light will always be 8 to 12" above the plant even with a cool tube so that takes away from your growth height. You can grow 5 foot plants there just won't be much of anything on the bottom foot.
Using any type of hydro system will require separate systems for plants at different stages.$$$$
I say growing in pails or beds will save you time, $$ and effort. Much less to go wrong.
If you master all 6 elements needed to grow very well you should have no problems getting 800g+
from one 1000w. Light, Oxygen, water, Temp., Humidity and Co2.
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Ok I have taken all of your advice in, and I have decided to step away from the ebb and grow system as it is too expensive to have 4 different growing systems and I think that well aerated DWC or aeroponics will work better. Therefore I think I am going to have the following based upon revisions and advice:
Sorry the setup is ever changing, I just want to get it right and appreciate everyones feedback. I promise that when the grow goes live in January it will be well documented!
- Aeroponic Cloning of 20 cuttings biweekly going into 4 week veg cycle(10 strongest will be put into flowering room)
- 4 Different stages of flowering in a 10x10 flowering room, 10 plants per stage.
- 4 1000 watt lights in cool tubes to maximize the proximity of the light to the plants (one for each grow stage site)
- Air cooling will be attached to a blower keeping hot air out of enclosed grow room.
- CO2 will come in when it can be afforded, as most hot air is evacuated it is not direly needed.
- home made super aerated DWC bins 2 plants per bin, (hoping to connect the bins with big tubing along bottom so I can fill all buckets via a fill station for ease of access - would love feedback on this idea)
Sorry the setup is ever changing, I just want to get it right and appreciate everyones feedback. I promise that when the grow goes live in January it will be well documented!
BeaverHuntr
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legend9nine
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With only four grows under your belt, you may want to slow it down a bit. There are too many variables in growing indoors to waste money without that much experience. Maybe shoot for a couple of ounces a week to get up to speed. And remember, no vacations.
phxfire
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WOW... What a Douche... It seems to be the common practice on this forum to judge someone by HOW MANY POSTS they have....
zem
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lmao i was on OG too i learned everything from there, but it got shut down so i moved to planet ganja and some time later it got shut down too lol i dont bother building up rep anymore since it might all crash overnight hahayes thanks phxfire. I think the same of FirsTime. coming from a shmohawk who only had 35 posts at the time. I bet he was 13 when overgrow got shut down
drgreentm
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i like ebb and flow systems im starting up a 4 week perpetual grow and for what i have got it has already cost me a pretty penny 2 2x4 ebb trays 2 400w hps's exhaust fan, ducting etc but in the end i thought it was the best way to maximize on space and time in the end im going to upgrade my 400w ballasts to 600 digi and run a light rail 4 system to maximize even more for i will have to more ebb trays a total of 4 end to end that will give me a 4 foot walkway. i wouldn't slow down a one week perpetual is going to be a full time job i know mine is right now but if your anything like me you prably love nothing more than chillin with your ladies this is only my second grow and im going all out well i harvested once already so technically third grow hahaha and more to come.
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Swag-a-delicz
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First of all I wanna say I hope that everything goes well.
Second of all:
Second of all:
Burn!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO
Yellow tips like nute burn!! OUCH IT HURTS! hahaha
Word Swagalicious and welcome!
Also, Would like to respond to drgreentm
You have a great sounding grow but the reason I think I am back to DWC/aeroponics is because the speed of growth on highly aerated roots seems to be much faster. The ebb and flow plants can grow big but it takes much longer! I have obviously left the pound a week realm but I think I can yield starting nearly a pound every two weeks if not a bit more, after 13 weeks of hard work. (one week of room prep, four weeks of initial veg and then 8 weeks till first harvest) I am going to start clones in aeroponics for clone and veg and then move to super aerated dwc to flower. there will be 40 flowering sites (10 per two weeks) sufficient clones and vegging plants to supply the flowering cycle. i presume that I can yield 2-3 oz per plant on 3-4 foot fimmed plants so each yield on a bad yield should easily produce at least a lb of dried hierba, perpetually harvested every two weeks. I will have one 10x10 room for flowering with four lights with ten small plants under each, 2 600's and 2 1000's all air cooled. the veg room will have a cloning machine and mothers and 20 plants vegging at all times. so there will be exactly 99 plants at all times:
- 30 clones (in ez-clone propagator)
- 9 mothers (for cuttings)
- 20 vegetative plants (4 weeks of veg, 10 to go into each two week start cycle)
- 40 flowering plants (10 every two week cycle)
With this I stay under the 100 plant cap and I have a perpetual grow that rivals any small startup. tell me what you think of that rotation.
drgreentm
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hahaha i like im already subbed want to see more lol i veg in dwc for exactly the reasons you where saying (speed of growth, highly aerated roots etc) and it works. right under a hundred is perfect seeings how if shit hits the fan (at least in my state) feds wont be knockin at the door. and thats exactly what i wanna do 40 total flowering but 20 a harvest every four weeks its deffinetly possible every two weeks i might start the same a two week harvest that is.
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Exactly. You can do it! perpetual! Those green babies you have are looking very healthy Dr.! I will check out your journal after posting this. and subscribe as well. People criticize for planning but if you have some experience and a really good plan, things are much less likely to go wrong. You must prepare well!
drgreentm
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thats what im saying planning can supersede experience and knowledge is power like i said i have only grown a few times all successes but have been learning for over 5 years. some things you have to go through to figure out but for the most part someone has probly already done it. this site for the most part has some really cool people who like to impart there knowledge to you but there are those douche bags lol.
experience has it's value and is necessary as there will always be trial and error, and I have noticed that some people are just not nurturing by nature and others even have a black thumb, or the touch of death as i call it! I on the other hand am quite "green". It is all a process. But remember this. You can't play baseball without some sort of bat and ball...
drgreentm
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hahaha black thumb i like that one i know quite a few people with that problem like throw a seed in soil and see what happens 90% of the time nothing happens lol and i agree experience has its benefits but that can be measured in so many ways like if i grow 16 plants that yields me 2 lbs and another Joe blow grows 4 plants yielding the same who has more experience if you want to go by plant numbers then i win lol see what i mean.
So the partners have spoken. to reduce costs the plan has changed significantly. I no longer will have the luxury of using a hydroponic system for the first grow. They want me to grow in soil. I am thinking of vegging in 1 gallon smart pots with foxfarm happy frog for 8 weeks, and then transplanting into flowering room into 2 gallon smart pots with fox farm ocean forest for the remainder. I will use the full range of fox farm nutes, solubles micros etc, unless you wise sages have something better in mind. I would really like to use a premixed soil such as the ones above, as I wont have the outdoor space to mix my own for now. So we are looking at 1 x 1000 watt for veg, (36 1 gal smart pots) and 4x1000 watt for flower (36 2 gallon smart pots) I like the idea of air pruning roots to increase root structure. 8 weeks of vegetation seems to be the best plan of action (a gallon a month) I can't afford CO2 for the first grow. I will have an 8" x 39" 950 cfm phresh filter attached to a 740 cfm inline fan constantly scrubbing air and pulling it out of room. at the other end there will be an 8" 590 cfm fan for air intake. several16 inch oscillating fans will circulate air. I am going to veg inside of a Secret Jardin DR150 II tent. water will be filtered with a reverse osmosis water filter. How does this plan sound? what am I missing here? I obviously need to wait until location is chosen to decide on grow room and electrical. Any feedback is appreciated.
Question: what can I expect from 8 weeks of veg on an 8-9 week flowering strain using the nutes listed above? and for those people who give snotty responses, I have done endless hours and days of research. I am only asking because I could not find an accurate answer, and the gram per watt ratio does not seem to be accurate in the least for most people.
Question: what can I expect from 8 weeks of veg on an 8-9 week flowering strain using the nutes listed above? and for those people who give snotty responses, I have done endless hours and days of research. I am only asking because I could not find an accurate answer, and the gram per watt ratio does not seem to be accurate in the least for most people.
Clown Baby
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Ok your last post addressed my question...
I was going to say that you will probably have a hell of a time using an aero system if you are trying to run organic nutes through sprayers.
I was going to say that you will probably have a hell of a time using an aero system if you are trying to run organic nutes through sprayers.