First Grow...unhealthy babies and help is needed.

Well i wanted to make an update...
the girls have grown a little...
i made some lst trying to spread them a little to get more light in the under parts of the plant...but...
i really don't know what to think... this problem is persisting and i feel like it will compromise my eventual yield if i don't get it right asap...
the girls have grown a little but all the new growth has been showing issues
necrosis and leaf twisting issues...left girl...

new damage...

this looks like some leaf rot... its not the first time that happens to these girls...


new growth on the babie on the right, necrosis, holes and leaf tear...

hard leaf twisting and extreme tear( i reckon i may have contributed to that tear while lst-ing)



i've aded cal-max from grotek @ 3 ml but did not see any improvement...
now i don't know if it's better to continue feed them maybe @ slightly higher PH like 6.00 for example or if i have to flush them good and then let them dry a little and then feed again after flushing...
i wanted to switch to flower in a few days but i don't know if its better to wait for them to become a little more healthy...

id like to know what caused that chunk of your leaf to go missing. It happen to me it looked like something came by and took a bite out of it. Looks great overall for sure

USbeginnerguy said:

id like to know what caused that chunk of your leaf to go missing. It happen to me it looked like something came by and took a bite out of it. Looks great overall for sure

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i believe in my case that i chopped it inadvertently while managing the plants when i was lst-ing them(99% sure about it because i noticed i did it in the other plant yesterday when i was flushing...
the error was for me to not plant the girls properly when transplanted... i did not filled the pot entirely with coco thinking they would strech a little but they remaind really short and dense...next time, lesson learned.
by the way i sprayed today with an insecticide trying to do a preventative job until i get my 60x loop magnifier and have a better look @ the possibility of having bugs or fucking chewing machines or minuscule motherfucking aliens (as ISK called them).
i reckon the girls don't look to bad but i wanted to get a good understanding of what is causing these things..

here is un update ... i flushed 3days before and fed slightly weaker nutes yesterday, after two days ...ph @ 6.00 and runoff came a little low on 5.45 ph in one and 5.65 on the other...
they drank like never before i fed them 2.5l each with smth like 15% runoff.ùthey looked like this before lights got down today...

second girl...
both of them...

i don't see any improvement from the flush...
i wanted to start 12/12 today even though ideally i would have liked to wait...this is not possible because i need them to finish in the next 60-63 days... breeder says they are ready in 60 days so lets hove they flower fast.
i saw some pistils a few days ago from preflowers , that means they are ready in theory...even though they already have turned brown... new ones will pop up...
i reaaly hope these syntomps clear up with the flowering schedule...
thats all.

i think she would flourish from trimming her up lollipopping it made a huge difference for my girls with the added air flow!

USbeginnerguy said:

i think she would flourish from trimming her up lollipopping it made a huge difference for my girls with the added air flow!

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i was thinking about it but was afraid of compromising them...its true that they are so dense...and the fact they sit a little low inside the pots does not make things better concernig air flow although air curculates in the tent and i'm added one oscillating fan today...
i'll free them from some of the most damaged leaves and see how they will react...
thanks for the tip. are you growing in coco US?

beppe75 said:

i was thinking about it but was afraid of compromising them...its true that they are so dense...and the fact they sit a little low inside the pots does not make things better concernig air flow although air curculates in the tent and i'm added one oscillating fan today...
i'll free them from some of the most damaged leaves and see how they will react...
thanks for the tip. are you growing in coco US?

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currently i am in soil roots organic original soil and my first dwc bucket. Roots organic original soil is some really great stuff my plants love it. Trying out the whole hyrdo thing to see how i like it. I was going to try coco first instead of dwc but my guy at the store i buy from was pretty confident in my ability and thought i should just go for it. I still want to try coco for sure. i forget if your in flowering or still vegging but i would stronglyyy recommend lollipopping it was awesome to see how much of a difference that airflow made for me. Im not going to lie i was nervous as hell if you watch a couple videos on it you will do just fine. Did you top the plant at all? I got a lot of great big colas on my last grow from doing this as well but again i would DEFINITELY trim her up a little bit you will be super happy about it. Good luck with whatever you decide.

What strain is this?

taGyo said:

What strain is this?

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it is cheese from vision seeds...

Oh yeah I read that.

USbeginnerguy said:

currently i am in soil roots organic original soil and my first dwc bucket. Roots organic original soil is some really great stuff my plants love it. Trying out the whole hyrdo thing to see how i like it. I was going to try coco first instead of dwc but my guy at the store i buy from was pretty confident in my ability and thought i should just go for it. I still want to try coco for sure. i forget if your in flowering or still vegging but i would stronglyyy recommend lollipopping it was awesome to see how much of a difference that airflow made for me. Im not going to lie i was nervous as hell if you watch a couple videos on it you will do just fine. Did you top the plant at all? I got a lot of great big colas on my last grow from doing this as well but again i would DEFINITELY trim her up a little bit you will be super happy about it. Good luck with whatever you decide.

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i did take off some of the bigger fan leaves that were causing a lot of congestion...they were really thick.
i also trimed up some of the more damaged leaves and some of the leaves that were begging to yellow even though i did not understand why some of the lower leaves were already dieing, i assume this is normal.
it helped following your advice US...
anyway the leaf twisting is persisting even though i see less rusty spots and above all less holes in the leaves...
i'm currently trying to get my temp under 30C because it has been a lot hotter these days.
i'm also letting my coco dry out better before i feed and will flush again in about a week, this time i'll use florakleen and will flush until my runoff ph comes @ around 5.7-5.8 since it is coming @ around 5.4 now.
this is a today foto...

some say the leaf twisting/corkscrew-ing may be genetics but i don't know... i'll keep on caring and lets see how they will perform by the end of their lives...
Edit: this is day five of 12/12

Show me your LST job, I think you could have bent those a little further down to avoid some of that congestion.

There's also a way to LST in a circle but I guess you weren't planning on LSTing until you had to, huh?

taGyo said:

Show me your LST job, I think you could have bent those a little further down to avoid some of that congestion.

There's also a way to LST in a circle but I guess you weren't planning on LSTing until you had to, huh?

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its not possible to bent them more ...i'm constantly repositioning the branches... i also snapped the two main branches when i lst-ed because i bent them slighlty more(lack of experience i guess)... luckily i noticed they were tearing/snapping and managed to tie them better and they repaired themselves perfectly.
you are right assuming i was planning on lst-ing until i put my scrog screen in there but i made an error when transplanting the babies ... i just did not fill the bucket with coco until the edge so the plant is like beneath the edges of the bucket and that is a problem when it comes to air flow.
i'll post some fotos tomorrow of the base of the plants.

Yeah,

The sooner you get into LSTing the better, otherwise the branches get real thick and impossible to bend without snapping.

Can't wait for those pics.

I would personally trim a lot more.

USbeginnerguy said:

I would personally trim a lot more.

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i was thinking about it too US... they became bushy almost instantly ...
good news is they are now a lot better.
i think i'm going to flush them tomorrow...
plants look better overall, not considerable damege on new growth.
leaves are straight as never before with only minor twisting to this point, makes me think maybe my feeding schedule or some sort of genetic trait was causing it.
flowers are forming and i want to start feeding them some full bloom nutes soon...i am insisting on flushing them now because i don't want them to have some salt build up in middle flower...
i attempted to install my scrog and this is what came out...
i think it is sitting a little low , definitely nearer the top of the bucket than what i was planning but this is part of the learning curve.


side view
i trimmed them just a little of the lower damaged leaves...
i wanted to wait @ least a week before i start pruning and lollipoping seriously the under growth and more leaves, i really need them to strech some more...and i believe that they can stretch more with those leaves on, i think so, i don't know for sure and i am open to advice as always.
i never though i would have the problem of short dense plants @ my first attempt @ growing.
what do you think does it make any sense on letting the scrog on or would you advise to let them bloom with only some lst-ing????
What do you guys think?

taGyo said:

Yeah,

The sooner you get into LSTing the better, otherwise the branches get real thick and impossible to bend without snapping.

Can't wait for those pics.

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As you can see taGyo i took of the lst work but here is a picture of the repaired damage, it was in the base of these two main branches... it almost looks as it never happened...
Edit: there u go, these are the branches, they were tearing at the base where you see the scars and as u can see the plant just filled the teared part which by the way was almost half the diameter of the branch with new materia...

after flushing, i'll prune some more of the lower grow i think will not reach the screen and i'll put some fotos of the main stem and branching after when they look nice and clean.

Nice scrog, are they flowering? I hope they stretch over that net.

taGyo said:

Nice scrog, are they flowering? I hope they stretch over that net.

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yes man, they are day 9 of Flower and i hope they strech over the net too ...
in theory they should have @ least 10-12 more days of stretch, just enough to make them go like 4-6 inches above the net, anyway we are left to wait and see if this will be the case in practice.

Looks much better beppe i think your going to be in for a nice treat. Definitely get a good plan of attack on curing something i kind of messed up on my first grow. Ended up with buds that didnt develop a good smell kinda got stuck with that hay grassy smell although it still smoked pretty good. id recommend hang drying for ATLEAST 4 days ( i only waited 2 because i though it was dry enought. i was wrong) Also buy some wide mouth mason jars you can get them at walmart and store your buds in them (AFTER the hang dry) for atleast two weeks if not longer some people go months to get the best quality. I know you still have a little way to go to get to this point im just saying its best to have what you need before you need it. and try not to make the same mistakes i made. Im excited for you lol good luck dude.

Raise your light a little further away to help them to stretch over the net and i would of still trimmed more lol i know it can be hard to do but oh well theres always next time!

i finally trimmed and lollipoped almost everything under the screen...,i also flushed them really good... hopefully this will help the remaining branches stretch through the screen and i also raised the light a little further...repositioned the branches for e better spread for what i think the last time...now i just have to feed them after they dry well and wait and see...
this is what in the end remained of them....
this one has thick branches but les secondary one...they were all small so i took them off... they probably would never have reached the screen and they were yelloing from lack of light i suppose...
you can see this one has more branches and i am curious to see how each of them will perform... i covered up those roots with some more pebbles... i think if there are so many roots on top of the coco it should be nice underneath...lets hope for a nice yield...
anyone has a good flower/PK booster to recommend ....
i can't get koolbloom in either form( no liquid , no powder) any alternatives are welcome.