First Grow: Hows She Looking?

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Setup and Strain info:

Carmelicious auto-flower fem MSNL seedbank started using paper towel method.

3 gallon fabric pot with Roots Organics coco coir that was rinsed profusely (no additives or perlite) I plan to use perlite next grow.

6th Week birthday was on July 1, 2017 I don't know why she is so small but I assume its because I went against my better judgment and transplanted her a week or 2 in. Though she seems to be growing very bushy and not tall.

Shes under a 250watt LED grow light (actual) and has been on an 18/6 light schedule since week 3. Before that she was on 24/7. Next grow i will do 18/6 from the beginning to encourage early root growth. The light currently sits about 20 inches from the top of the plant. I just raised 2 inches because I saw a bit of tacoing in one of my leaves. Better safe than sorry

Water and feed daily with half strength GH trio and a about 4ml of calmag as I had an iron deficiency early on and these nutes are really lacking in the calcium department from what I've read. (Calmag has iron) I PH each feeding to right around a high 5.6 to low 5.7. I figure that the higher ph of my medum will cause some beneficial back and forth between 5.6 and 6. The PH of the coco typically sits between 6 and 6.5

Small fan blowing on her 24/7

Pretty decent temperatures all grow. Never goes above 85 and rarely even gets there. Average temp is right around 80. Humidity sits at a steady 40-50%

If she doesnt start producing buds by thursday, im going to switch her over to a 12/12 light schedule. Maybe shes got more photoperiod in her than auto. We will see.

Please comment your thoughts, concerns ideas and hate. Seriously I want it all. I think I have found my passion and Im loving every second of growing this girl so anything to make me a better parent would be more than appreciated. Happy Grows!


She sits about 5 inches tall from coco to tip. A bit short but her width is nice. Leaves are a nice deep green.






Look at all those juicy nodes. And whats that? Its officially a girl ladies and gentlemen. Quick question here: these are what are called PREFLOWERS, yes?


I have no clue whats happened in these two pictures. Somehow her leaves got damaged. Are tears like this a normal occurrence? I have a leaf that has a single hole in the center that ive decided had to do with light reflecting off of a droplet and burning through the leaf.



Enviornment. Its MUCH brighter in person. 250watt LED actual KINGBO grow light shining down on the star of the show. She rests upon a plastic pot lift designed to raise plants off the ground. This keeps her from sitting in runoff.



Thanks for checking out my very first grow! More to come if requested. Much love.

-Paulie

i'm gonna fathom a guess it would grow taller if the light was a bit further away... what are manufacturers recommendations ?

mine weren't growing much until i moved the light as high as it could go in the tent, the leaves were also getting badly light burnt even at 36".... manufacturer recommendation for my 200w ("1200w equivalent" ... ya right) LED was 4.5 - 6 ft... i'll be replacing my light with 4x QBs for up to 640w in a 4x4 tent in a week or 2 once i get the drivers for em

legalcanada said:

i'm gonna fathom a guess it would grow taller if the light was a bit further away... what are manufacturers recommendations ?

mine weren't growing much until i moved the light as high as it could go in the tent.... manufacturer recommendation for my 200w ("1200w equivalent" ... ya right) LED was 4.5 - 6 ft... i'll be replacing my light with 4x QBs for up to 640w in a 4x4 tent in a week or 2 once i get the drivers for em

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Oh wow. My recommended height is 16-20 inches which is pretty standard for most LEDs ive seen. I imagine that yours are recommended at such a far distance because of the strength of the diodes. Mine are 5nm I believe. At 1200 equivalent that would put you pretty high on the scale. Maybe 10 or 15? Im not an expert by any means but I know the more concentrated the diode the more ability it has to harm your plants.

3 gl pot you said?

Watering every day?How much water/feed you pouring into that pot?

She is still very small to be in a 3 gl pot getting watered every day.

This is where you can "over water coco".A pot of coco....no matter the size has to have established roots to be able to not deal with "over watering coco".....because it is possible.

What is the ratio you are feeding the GH at?

Since your using the GH and coco......google "head goes coco"....some more learning on coco using GH

You don't need perlite.......you need the roots home slice

vertnugs said:

3 gl pot you said?

Watering every day?How much water/feed you pouring into that pot?

She is still very small to be in a 3 gl pot getting watered every day.

This is where you can "over water coco".A pot of coco....no matter the size has to have established roots to be able to not deal with "over watering coco".....because it is possible.

What is the ratio you are feeding the GH at?

Since your using the GH and coco......google "head goes coco"....some more learning on coco using GH

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It's nearly impossible to over water in coco using cloth bags. No matter the plants size. When i say "nearly" i leave room for the idea that someone may throw there's to the bottom of the backyard pool for a week. And heck if the top of the plant stayed above water with an air pump it would probably still survive.
I put mine in flood/drain hydro as soon as they come out the cloner. The soil is always wet. It's a hydroponic growing medium. Excess drains from the bag. I literally flood my plants... look up flood/drain hydroponics. Most people use a 50/50 mix of coco and perlite it's a great idea.
I looked up head goes coco and found a 200+ page thread from 2007. I read the first page and am bored.
You can over nute your plant. Just not over water. I keep mine with just barely burnt tips during veg. Can always flush. Plant looks great!
Not sure what's up with the 4 cans deodorant in pic 3 tho lol. "Dont sweat the small stuff"

Buyfrommycity said:

Not sure what's up with the 4 cans deodorant in pic 3 tho lol. "Dont sweat the small stuff"

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One is my wife's hairspray and the other two are mine. I smell like a fucking flower, dammit. Dont judge me. LMAO

vertnugs said:

3 gl pot you said?

Watering every day?How much water/feed you pouring into that pot?

She is still very small to be in a 3 gl pot getting watered every day.

This is where you can "over water coco".A pot of coco....no matter the size has to have established roots to be able to not deal with "over watering coco".....because it is possible.

What is the ratio you are feeding the GH at?

Since your using the GH and coco......google "head goes coco"....some more learning on coco using GH

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Right now shes on 2.5ml grow, micro and flora with 4ml calmag.

Buyfrommycity said:

It's nearly impossible to over water in coco using cloth bags. No matter the plants size. When i say "nearly" i leave room for the idea that someone may throw there's to the bottom of the backyard pool for a week. And heck if the top of the plant stayed above water with an air pump it would probably still survive.
I put mine in flood/drain hydro as soon as they come out the cloner. The soil is always wet. It's a hydroponic growing medium. Excess drains from the bag. I literally flood my plants... look up flood/drain hydroponics. Most people use a 50/50 mix of coco and perlite it's a great idea.
I looked up head goes coco and found a 200+ page thread from 2007. I read the first page and am bored.
You can over nute your plant. Just not over water. I keep mine with just barely burnt tips during veg. Can always flush. Plant looks great!
Not sure what's up with the 4 cans deodorant in pic 3 tho lol. "Dont sweat the small stuff"

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That thread....from 2007.....that bored you on the first page is almost a bible for growing in coco with a coco modified lucas version of 6/9.There is more info on growing in coir in that thread alone than there is on the entire site of RIU.Give it a read......absolutely no way you will come out of it with out learning a bit.

Sorry young buc but you are off on "coco can't be over watered"

Had the other half bitchin me out about the laptop blarin in her face last night so i skimmed quickly through your post and pics and just gave that quick response.

Those are not presex hairs your looking at......the hairs will come out right between the branch and that little (don't know exactly what one would call that part of the plant)spike.

The only thing i can offer solid advice on here is the coco.I have never ran auto strains....and i have yet to run LED....yet.

Are you using r/o water...tap water?

And how much water/feed are you pouring in everyday?My advice is try every other day being it is still that small after 6 weeks of growth.You do not have the root mass needed for a 3 gl pot to be watered every day.Let it dry to a degree so your roots will grow searching for water and food.If a root system is only of certain size and it is surrounded with a large amount of coco they have no need to grow out looking for water and food.....it's already saturated in it.For watering every day or multiple feedings a day one needs a root mass to be able to absorb all of it.This is where it not drying out fast enough like you stated in the other thread is coming from.

Feeding.......6/9....99% of those that use it or have tried it praise it......the remaining 1%....well i guess life just sucks for them in general i don't know.
Like i said some home work on 6/9 will be a good benefit for your garden.

Ive probably stunted the fuck out of her then because ive watered every day since she started veg. Im just so afraid that shes not going to get all the nutes she needs that I overcompensate by watering till 10-20% runoff every day. Also, ive been watering at lights out which is the best time for root growth. They dont even have to work to find their food. I use about a half gallon (maybe a bit less) a day. I also have a fan blowing on the fabric pot 24/7 so that may assist a bit in drying up the coco. Also, if I let the medium get too dry, the salts will build up. GH is a salt based nute after all. That and the possible build up of using epsum salt in 6/9 .

I believe they are called pistils after reading some more.

I understand the concept of 6/9 now and im willing to give it a good run. Though i think I will have to supplement some calmag cause i never precharged. I have to do some experimenting.

i run coco with ~20% perlite, i use 7g maxibloom 1g epsom salt + molasses every watering, at this point it's every 2nd or 3rd day. i've waited 5-7 days between watering once (not by choice) and it only just started to wilt. 5g smart pots about 2/3 full. I honestly think they could handle maybe a smaller feeding every day (might even improve growth) but its my 1st grow so i'm cautious.

i went with the 1 part lucas because it was cheaper, and its as simple as u can get + heard good things.

legalcanada said:

i run coco with ~20% perlite, i use 7g maxibloom 1g epsom salt + molasses every watering, at this point it's every 2nd or 3rd day. i've waited 5-7 days between watering once (not by choice) and it only just started to wilt. 5g smart pots about 2/3 full. I honestly think they could handle maybe a smaller feeding every day (might even improve growth) but its my 1st grow so i'm cautious.

i went with the 1 part lucas because it was cheaper, and its as simple as u can get + heard good things.

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Do you just have a tiny scale to measure your gram of epsum?

yeah just a 50g 2 decimal scale i already had, i just weigh it all in a little cup n add hot water to dissolve before mixing in a 4L water jug. those measurements were per gallon btw. i think i'm gonna start uppin it until i see a little tip burn then back off, or start feeding more frequently. i'm not happy with growth rate but i recently transplanted to the 5g pots so maybe once the rootzone fills out they'll blow up

Do you have any pictures of your grow that you could share? Mine didnt start blowing up in size till about 2 weeks ago. Im going to start waiting a bit longer between feedings so that my roots expand more.

sorry for the poor lighting, i'm using a blurple LED right now which I shut off to take the pics. I popped these seeds around 5/21 so about 6 weeks maybe. it's my first grow. The reason 2 are so much smaller is I transplanted the other 3 maybe a week before them and didn't have enough coco to pot all of them. They have all been fimmed but I think I fucked up or cut too much because I only got 2 new shoots except one got 3. Actually, 4 of them continued to only grow 1 top so I fimmed them again and got 2... Today I started LSTing them by bending the stems down to where more shoots were growing to try and turn them in to tops too.

I have 4x QBs I'm going to use ASAP once I buy a couple drivers for them, that should give me up to 640 or more actual watts of dimmable LED and I'll use this blurple to set up a 2nd tent for vegging or maybe sell it and get more quantum boards. This light kinda sucks it has to be 4+ feet above the canopy

the strains are green crack, northern lights, white widow, sour diesel and an unknown. i bought the supplies to make my own colloidal silver and am going to collect feminized pollen from each strain and cross each with all others if they all produce well. I also built a 21 site cloning station for under 50$ still need to paint the lid black and tape opaque paper around the bucket or something

Im using a 300w galaxyhydro led 150 actual watts. My plant is kinda doing the same thing yours is partly to do with it being indica. Okay so you want small compacted plants tbh so i wouldn't stress the height so much even though it does look a little premature for its age. The things in the pic are stipules the caylx is what you're looking for. They will pop up behind the stipules in the internode. I will show you a pic of mine starting to show. Honestly you need to research how to top and lst ( light stress training ). Basically you need to start bending and tying some main stems or colas down so the light can get in there and them smaller bud sites can start growing up with the main ones to create a flat top like plant. Heres a pic of mine at 4 and 1/2 weeks. I snapped a top off yesterday so it looks kinda funny but you can basically see what im trying to do with it.

First 1 is a male/female caylx starting to come out.

JimmyTheNewb said:

Im using a 300w galaxyhydro led 150 actual watts. My plant is kinda doing the same thing yours is partly to do with it being indica. Okay so you want small compacted plants tbh so i wouldn't stress the height so much even though it does look a little premature for its age. The things in the pic are stipules the caylx is what you're looking for. They will pop up behind the stipules in the internode. I will show you a pic of mine starting to show. Honestly you need to research how to top and lst ( light stress training ). Basically you need to start bending and tying some main stems or colas down so the light can get in there and them smaller bud sites can start growing up with the main ones to create a flat top like plant. Heres a pic of mine at 4 and 1/2 weeks. I snapped a top off yesterday so it looks kinda funny but you can basically see what im trying to do with it.

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Ive read a lot of material warning against topping autos because any time it would take recovering would be taken away from bud production as the life of an auto is predetermined. Ive been tucking my fan leaves to allow the light to get down in there. I just didnt post the pictures of the tucks because its not too pretty to look at haha.