First Grow Help

playboypaul

Active Member
i have 8 large Purple haze and 28 purple kush going into 30 days of flowering now and the buds are still really small especially at the bottom, the tops on most look really resiny and small buds which i assume will still grow bigger, i'm using 2 1000 watt bulbs also im feeding them with big bud and a host of other nutrients my local hydro store recommended but the real problem is that today i noticed that one plant in particular was looking really old and the leaves from top to bottom are really dry and are about to all fall off, this is the only one like that so i was wondering what the causes may be and what i could do to save the plant?

i'm really resisting the urge to harvest them now but i know it's been a while in the flowering stage more than 4 weeks and i've been looking at some other photos on the site and now mine dont really look so ready or large to me anymore as is so any help would be greatly appreciated.


the bad one:


a good one:



the room:



the start of the flowering process:



P.s. i know some of them look large that's the 8 purple haze i have on the outside corners with the smaller jush in the center.

i almost cut them dwn today because they've been going for so long over 80 days from seed to now.

Help please and thank you

playboypaul
 

VictorVIcious

Well-Known Member
Welcome to the forum paul. The only reliable way I have seen to tell when you need to harvest your plants is to use a 30X magnifiying glass to look at the trichomes. It is possible to have seeds of the same strain mature at slighty different rates. With that many plants, which look pretty good. you would be wise to get one. I found one @ www.ehobbytools .com. Hope tis helps. Nice grow.
 

Token

Well-Known Member
That just happen to one of my plants this weekend i think its a fugis, but i got to my plant to late and it died
 

sasarchiver

Well-Known Member
The female hairs should turn brown when its ready to harvest. Like victoryviscous said, use a magnify glass so see the trichomes.

great setup u have there paul, i like it. looking good mate.
 

playboypaul

Active Member
thanks, i'll go get a 30x magnifier and about the hairs, they've pretty much all turned brown, im feeding them heavy tomorrow for the last time then im going to flush with water for about 10 days (i read that somewhere) so since im feeding them now every other day it will still be about 2 weeks till i actually harvest them. i hope they dont lose potency in that time.
 

sasarchiver

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I would stop feeding them now paul, if most of the female hairs have turned brown they should be almost done. stop feeding and just give water as u dont want grass that doesnt taste/feel/light right.
I maybe wrong, maybe guys can give extra tip here, but from what ive read and saw your plants should be ready for harvest in next week or so!
 

MajoR_TokE

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When to harvest


Length of flowering is strain dependant, and even then you can't be sure that the seeds will do what they say on the pack. Any reputable breeder will give guidelines as to the length of time that the strain will take to mature. Most Indica dominant strains mature in 8 to 9 weeks as opposed to Sativas which can take anywhere from 13 or more. Failing that have a look at the Strain Base regarding flowering times.

As cannabis matures; the flowers - 'calyxes' - swell and grow. Pistils wither and brown but are overtaken by new growth which in turn does the same. Peak maturity is reached when 90% of the plant calyxes are fully swollen aswell as over 80% of the plants pistils being browned.

It is generally agreed that the best way to determine if a plant is ready for harvest is by looking at the colour of the trichomes (trichs). Trichome FAQ here by OT1. In order to be sure try to use trichome colouring as the main guide for finding out if the plant is ready to your taste. You may find sections of the plant which are mature before any others. In this case it is your choice to remove them or allow them to stay on the plant and continue to mature.


Trichome colouring



If you have a pocket microscope, or jewellers loupe, you can examine the trichomes (trichs). They start out as just little sticks, and as your bud ripens they grow bobbles on the tops of those sticks. As soon as your trichs have bobbles on, and appear to be ready to burst, you can harvest.

If you leave them on, and keep an eye on the trichs with your magnifier, you can taylor the stone to what you require. They will firstly go a milky white colour, this is the process of THC degrading to CBD, THC gives you the heady "up" high, whereas the CBD gives you the body stone. Going on the pistils, gives you a rough idea of when to chop, but if you get a magnifier, you can chop different buds, at different stages to see what you like the best

Most people chop when the trichs are mainly milky white. If you leave them a bit longer, you will see the trichs turn an amber colour, this is when the buds are at their most potent in terms of couch-lock, and is the best time to harvest if the smoke is to be used for medi purposes.


High psychoactive varieties produce clear or transparent capitate heads then they turn transparent amber then slowly oxidise to brown, none translucent. This type is most psychoactive at the early amber translucent stage.

Most varieties do not have a translucent amber stage. What you get is transparent then the milky none translucent that develops over time to the oxidised none translucent brown stage. This type is most psychoactive at the early milky stage.



A quick note about psychoactivity by oldtimer1


The thing about amber trichomes, is that true amber trichomes only develop in some phenotypes and only with very high potency types!

The way to define it, is that high potency or should I say the type of plant that develops what I call complex psychoactivity, only develop with clear trichome stages, they go from glass clear to very light yellow to amber to red amber as they develop. The onset of the first red amber just showing is when the potency is at its peak.

At all these stages the trichomes are crystal clear like cut jewels! Its only as they start to degrade that they start to go brown and start to cloud ie: become none translucent this finally degrades to a dark muddy colour.

Types that go from glass clear to milky [like frosted glass]. With this type when you get 40 to 60% milky trichomes, new thc production is being produced at a lower rate than it is slowly degrading, this is the most psychoactive point for this type or variety, it will never produce true amber, instead when you get the oxidised thc starting to show, which is more of an amber brown but cloudy. With this type of var as soon as brown trichomes start appearing you know thc production is way over the top and declining rapidly, at this stage psychoactivity is also declining and the effect becomes more and more narcotic. You see this much more with genes that come from hash making type genetics or so called indicas. Its the same thing as fresh lightly pressed hash has a nice medium honey coloured look, but this very quickly starts to darken, becomes brown then black over time as the surface thc oil oxidises.

Real Amber trichomes only happen on a very few varieties (mainly sativa dominant), the order is clear, clear slightly pale yellow, ie [going amber], to clear red amber. [at all stages they remain jewel clear]

With most varieties (indica dominant) you get clear trichomes then slightly cloudy finally milky.

What happens to both types (sativa and indica) is that eventually both milky and amber trichomes will finally degrade to brown, people often confuse this brown with amber, true amber trichome types remain crystal clear until they finally degrade, they are not the same, the final brown is cloudy/muddy in both types, when trichomes are getting to this stage potency is declining rapidly and the buds well over the top.

With sativa dom’s time means little, as soon as you see the first sign of trichome changes ie milky/clear straw, you start cutting a bud every week, then choose the stone you like best, sats take longer to mature especially real amber types, also longer to degrade to the brown oxidised stage.


Some pictures of trichome maturation courtesy of Tricky knome and OT1. Shown here are pictures of trichomes which have turned milky in colour.




Few shots of trichomes ready for harvest. Shot on the left is of an indica dominant strain. Shot on the right is a sativa variety:




Finally you can clearly see the amber coloured trichomes on this leaf. This is about a month over ripe.




If you're having problems getting hold of a loupe try here or for a microscope check here : You're looking for at least a x10 and at the most a x100. I get by fine with a x20. Alternatively you could have a look on ebay.

The Rough Guide To Harvesting And Curing - UK420
 

playboypaul

Active Member
that's awesome info, i almost took them down last week, i took out the bad colored one and realized that they must not be that ready cause when i hung the bad one up i realized how small it was but now with another week the buds have gotten huge. i also have a 60-100X magnifier but it's so powerful i can't really use it but im going to try again today, either way i gave them a heavy feeding yesterday and im going to stop the nutrients now i guess and flush them out for the next week to 10 days since i water every other day, i'll take a few photos and post them here of the size gained the past week.

thanks for the great info i'll show the finished product also and smoke a massive spliff for you guys.
playboypaul
 

playboypaul

Active Member
Ok here's what they look like today as i've now stopped feeding them nutrients, so it's wait and see for the next 10 days or so

let me know what you think








 

potroast

Uses the Rollitup profile
You said that they are 30 days into flowering, so they cannot be anywhere near finished yet. You need to let them mature and ripen.

HTH :mrgreen:
 

sasarchiver

Well-Known Member
major toke has given some good info there. great pics of trichomes there aswell. Im not familiar with the different strains and flowering times, but your crop is looking good. Leaves look abit thin, or is that the strain?? I wish u were my neighbour :)
 

playboypaul

Active Member
actually they've been flowering since january 15th so it's been more than 6 weeks now and the trichomes i saw yesterday looked clear and bubbly, i think i may have seen a few that were turning to an amber color also.
 

BluBerry

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Those look really good & you should get a hell of alot of bud when they are thru. But to me if they have only been flowering for 6 weeks I would say go about 9 and when you think they are done then turn the lights out for two days and see the difference. Better to be safe than sorry. Waiting could really increase your overall yield.
 

playboypaul

Active Member
well my trichomes were looking really good so i cut the tops off of almost half of my room so the bottoms can get more light in the next week or so. let me know wha you think, im pretty impressed myself for my first time, i just hope i cure them properly, i'll show you the difference once i take the rest down.

1:Purple Haze



2:more Purple



3:Kush Tops



4:more kush



5:kush



6:
 

playboypaul

Active Member
well my trichomes were looking really good so i cut the tops off of almost half of my room so the bottoms can get more light in the next week or so. let me know wha you think, im pretty impressed myself for my first time, i just hope i cure them properly, i'll show you the difference once i take the rest down.

1:Purple Haze



2:more Purple



3:Kush Tops



4:more kush



5:kush



6:




 

playboypaul

Active Member
well my trichomes were looking really good so i cut the tops off of almost half of my room so the bottoms can get more light in the next week or so. let me know wha you think, im pretty impressed myself for my first time, i just hope i cure them properly, i'll show you the difference once i take the rest down.

1:Purple Haze



2:more Purple



3:Kush Tops



4:more kush



5:kush



6:
 
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