First Grow [HELP NEEDED]. DWC, 600W HPS, GH Nutes, Stealth, Homemade grow box,Barney's Farm LSD

MF-Wizard

Active Member
Hurgh.... For a while I was researching for info around the interwebs and the fabled outside world on about my initial plan for my grow plan. I've cooked up a new grow plan which pretty much threw everything I had planned out the window and into the gutter. For those who watched my older thread I apologize for being AFK for a long period but life can kick your ass if you don't pay attention so I've decided to come back here for another shot at growing my own dank herb. So let's get to the sweet data and info about the upcoming grow to which I have dedicated myself into!

GROW BOX BUILD
My initial plan was to buy the grow box from the store but due to my financial situation I've decided to build my own grow box from plywood that will get it's support struts built outside of it so the inside of the grow box will have around 2 cubic meter capacity (70,6 cubic feet) depending on the size of reflective film. All the seams of the box will be filled with industrial gelatinous glue that hardens to an iron like state and can withstand heat, moisture and stress for added support, which is then covered with silicone sealant and all of that will get covered in aluminium tape. The door of the box will have a door frame air sealant that will prevent smell and light leaks. Ventilation will be taken care of with a 100mm (3,9 inch) inline fan pushing 145-187 cubic meters/h (5 120 - 6 603 cubic feet) of air through homemade carbon filter that then is exhausted out the window and for intake I intend to use negative pressure to achieve this to keep the thing as smell proof as possible. I want to know if that ventilation power is overkill so I can take a note to buy an interface to control the power. Lighting will be handled with a 600 watt HPS for flowering and a magnetic ballast of the same power, for vegetation I'm going to use two 250 watt CFL bulbs with a blue color spectrum for a cooler and more power efficient start for the grow. I'm going to use a HPS fixture mounted reflector with a vent placement. For reflective material I'm going to use Orca grow film due to its high quality, mold preventive properties and OP reflective capabilities and the fact Orca doesn't reflect infrared is just extra icing on the cake and the real downside is the high price. Thermometer and hygrometer as combo. Lastly I'm going to get a dehumidifier, either a mechanical or just pellets from the local hardware store.

GROW STYLE AND TECHNIQUES
Seedling grow will be done in a pH balanced rockwool cube which is either 7,5 x 7,5 x 7,5 cm (3 x 3 x 3 inches) which then will be transplanted into hydroton when the plant and roots are big enoug. The grow will be a one module DWC grow that utilizes one 65 liter (14-UK 17-US gallons) so the aim is to grow just one monster cannabis plant and since my strain of choice will be Barney's Farm LSD which is a hardy strain with resistance to fungus and mold so I hope that will give me a good edge. I'm going to get either two or three large airstones to give nice bubbler action going and to ensure that the feed stays aerated the whole time and from what I read, the more bubbles the bigger healthy root grow ergo more bud. I'm going to use General Hydroponics nutrients line for and I would really appreciate if fellow DWC growers could give me advice on this one since this particular brand of nutrients is easiest to acquire from all the other nutes. I'm going to use either one or two scrog nets to support heavier bud grow and LST to achieve multiple budding sites on hand-to-hand with FIMMING not topping. I'm also going to use the controversial yet effective defoliation for this grow, even though it's my first grow DON'T WORRY! I'm not goin to heavily defoliate my plant since it is my first time and defoliation is proven to be effective by numerous expert growers. Defoliation is going to be on of the main techniques of my first and future grows because it eliminates shade for low and mid grow so the plant will grow faster and when It's trained to withstand defoliation during veg the plant won't mind it as much during flowering when it's at the utmost important to ensure bigger yields. Defoliation also helps to control humidity and airflow better.

STEALTH LIKE SOLID SNAKE OR SILENT HILL
For the stealth action I'm going to use styrofoam to soak up the vibrations caused by the air pump and most likely build a box for it to act a silencer. I'm going to use a muffler for the inline fan to make it run silently so It doesn't sound like a fucking jet engine in my apartment. For smell prevention I'm going to use activated carbon filter on the air duct as I mentioned on the grow plan, also I'm going to use Ona pro gel to suck up the nasty odors in the room outside the grow box, most likely just around the door to the room and the intake hole on the grow box. The exhaust and the window will be camouflaged with a mosquito net stapled to the frame and also wicker drapes with a blackout screen to complete the camo (It's hard to write down because english isn't my native tongue). Luckily the apartment I live in is on the highest floor and best of all, a corner apartment with nice greenery and flowers during summer but come winter and I'll have to amp up my stealth gear. The busy train track during night time and best of all the building is over 60 years old so it gives off a lot of old building sounds like clanging pipes, creaking floors and the overall haunted atmosphere is there too and even better the quarry gives nice explosion induced vibrations and warning signals.

That pretty much wraps it up! I've written down everything I can think of being relevant to the grow apart from PPM and pH which I already have a fair idea of and of course adjustable chain to control the distance of lights to the plant. What I still need to know thou is what General Hydroponic nutrients I should use for this grow and please do correct my mistakes and give help and tips because that is always appreciated! Looking forward to this grow guys :D!
 

rnint

Well-Known Member
Have you started your grow yet? If not I'd recommend planting more than one plant, just in case and also so that you can pick the best to continue into flower to make sure you're all good, if you ran an auto alongside your LSD youd also have some smoke without having to wait like 4 months for it (thats what my plan is when i restart my grow after I move). In terms of odour control I think you're probably fine with just the carbon filter tbh, I have one in my flower tent and it totally takes the smell out and my northern lights is staaaaaanky so its definitely putting in the work. I'd agree with the defoliation, I've run some tests my self and I do believe it works but lots of people don't. Never tried GH nutes though so I can't offer any advice on that though sorry :( You might want to look into getting a cooltube for your HPS though, I run a 250W HPS in my closet with a fan capable of pulling 215m^3 of air per minute and a cooltube and first off you gotta realise the carbon filter will take your fan power down a bit so small fans arent ideal for them then you also gotta figure the smaller your space is the less air has to heat up for it to become hot. So my .55mx.80mx1.8m closet will hit temps of about 30C with all the fans running within about half an hour, if I dont have the fans on it gets up to 40C. Temperature is really a pain in the ass in small spaces so the better the ventilation system you have the less problems youll be dealing with later, that being said venting won't fully solve the problem. If you really want those perfect temps youll probably either need an AC unit or no HID bulbs. But going above and beyond with your fans isnt a bad idea you can always get a relatively cheap fan speed controller and just take the power down a notch until the fan is running at the right speed for you. I know its expensive but I had to deal with hot as fuck temps before I got a bigger fan even when I was using 2 smaller 105m^3 fans it wasn't anywhere near decent. Hope this helps man and good luck!
 

Alienwidow

Well-Known Member
Hurgh.... For a while I was researching for info around the interwebs and the fabled outside world on about my initial plan for my grow plan. I've cooked up a new grow plan which pretty much threw everything I had planned out the window and into the gutter. For those who watched my older thread I apologize for being AFK for a long period but life can kick your ass if you don't pay attention so I've decided to come back here for another shot at growing my own dank herb. So let's get to the sweet data and info about the upcoming grow to which I have dedicated myself into!

GROW BOX BUILD
My initial plan was to buy the grow box from the store but due to my financial situation I've decided to build my own grow box from plywood that will get it's support struts built outside of it so the inside of the grow box will have around 2 cubic meter capacity (70,6 cubic feet) depending on the size of reflective film. All the seams of the box will be filled with industrial gelatinous glue that hardens to an iron like state and can withstand heat, moisture and stress for added support, which is then covered with silicone sealant and all of that will get covered in aluminium tape. The door of the box will have a door frame air sealant that will prevent smell and light leaks. Ventilation will be taken care of with a 100mm (3,9 inch) inline fan pushing 145-187 cubic meters/h (5 120 - 6 603 cubic feet) of air through homemade carbon filter that then is exhausted out the window and for intake I intend to use negative pressure to achieve this to keep the thing as smell proof as possible. I want to know if that ventilation power is overkill so I can take a note to buy an interface to control the power. Lighting will be handled with a 600 watt HPS for flowering and a magnetic ballast of the same power, for vegetation I'm going to use two 250 watt CFL bulbs with a blue color spectrum for a cooler and more power efficient start for the grow. I'm going to use a HPS fixture mounted reflector with a vent placement. For reflective material I'm going to use Orca grow film due to its high quality, mold preventive properties and OP reflective capabilities and the fact Orca doesn't reflect infrared is just extra icing on the cake and the real downside is the high price. Thermometer and hygrometer as combo. Lastly I'm going to get a dehumidifier, either a mechanical or just pellets from the local hardware store.

GROW STYLE AND TECHNIQUES
Seedling grow will be done in a pH balanced rockwool cube which is either 7,5 x 7,5 x 7,5 cm (3 x 3 x 3 inches) which then will be transplanted into hydroton when the plant and roots are big enoug. The grow will be a one module DWC grow that utilizes one 65 liter (14-UK 17-US gallons) so the aim is to grow just one monster cannabis plant and since my strain of choice will be Barney's Farm LSD which is a hardy strain with resistance to fungus and mold so I hope that will give me a good edge. I'm going to get either two or three large airstones to give nice bubbler action going and to ensure that the feed stays aerated the whole time and from what I read, the more bubbles the bigger healthy root grow ergo more bud. I'm going to use General Hydroponics nutrients line for and I would really appreciate if fellow DWC growers could give me advice on this one since this particular brand of nutrients is easiest to acquire from all the other nutes. I'm going to use either one or two scrog nets to support heavier bud grow and LST to achieve multiple budding sites on hand-to-hand with FIMMING not topping. I'm also going to use the controversial yet effective defoliation for this grow, even though it's my first grow DON'T WORRY! I'm not goin to heavily defoliate my plant since it is my first time and defoliation is proven to be effective by numerous expert growers. Defoliation is going to be on of the main techniques of my first and future grows because it eliminates shade for low and mid grow so the plant will grow faster and when It's trained to withstand defoliation during veg the plant won't mind it as much during flowering when it's at the utmost important to ensure bigger yields. Defoliation also helps to control humidity and airflow better.

STEALTH LIKE SOLID SNAKE OR SILENT HILL
For the stealth action I'm going to use styrofoam to soak up the vibrations caused by the air pump and most likely build a box for it to act a silencer. I'm going to use a muffler for the inline fan to make it run silently so It doesn't sound like a fucking jet engine in my apartment. For smell prevention I'm going to use activated carbon filter on the air duct as I mentioned on the grow plan, also I'm going to use Ona pro gel to suck up the nasty odors in the room outside the grow box, most likely just around the door to the room and the intake hole on the grow box. The exhaust and the window will be camouflaged with a mosquito net stapled to the frame and also wicker drapes with a blackout screen to complete the camo (It's hard to write down because english isn't my native tongue). Luckily the apartment I live in is on the highest floor and best of all, a corner apartment with nice greenery and flowers during summer but come winter and I'll have to amp up my stealth gear. The busy train track during night time and best of all the building is over 60 years old so it gives off a lot of old building sounds like clanging pipes, creaking floors and the overall haunted atmosphere is there too and even better the quarry gives nice explosion induced vibrations and warning signals.

That pretty much wraps it up! I've written down everything I can think of being relevant to the grow apart from PPM and pH which I already have a fair idea of and of course adjustable chain to control the distance of lights to the plant. What I still need to know thou is what General Hydroponic nutrients I should use for this grow and please do correct my mistakes and give help and tips because that is always appreciated! Looking forward to this grow guys :D!
Wow.......................^^^^ this may be the longest post ever in rollitup history. I refuse to read this novel. If you want anyone to follow this thread please open a new one thats summed up in a paragraph or two. Who do you think you are? Charles Dickens?
 

MF-Wizard

Active Member
Have you started your grow yet? If not I'd recommend planting more than one plant, just in case and also so that you can pick the best to continue into flower to make sure you're all good, if you ran an auto alongside your LSD youd also have some smoke without having to wait like 4 months for it (thats what my plan is when i restart my grow after I move). In terms of odour control I think you're probably fine with just the carbon filter tbh, I have one in my flower tent and it totally takes the smell out and my northern lights is staaaaaanky so its definitely putting in the work. I'd agree with the defoliation, I've run some tests my self and I do believe it works but lots of people don't. Never tried GH nutes though so I can't offer any advice on that though sorry :( You might want to look into getting a cooltube for your HPS though, I run a 250W HPS in my closet with a fan capable of pulling 215m^3 of air per minute and a cooltube and first off you gotta realise the carbon filter will take your fan power down a bit so small fans arent ideal for them then you also gotta figure the smaller your space is the less air has to heat up for it to become hot. So my .55mx.80mx1.8m closet will hit temps of about 30C with all the fans running within about half an hour, if I dont have the fans on it gets up to 40C. Temperature is really a pain in the ass in small spaces so the better the ventilation system you have the less problems youll be dealing with later, that being said venting won't fully solve the problem. If you really want those perfect temps youll probably either need an AC unit or no HID bulbs. But going above and beyond with your fans isnt a bad idea you can always get a relatively cheap fan speed controller and just take the power down a notch until the fan is running at the right speed for you. I know its expensive but I had to deal with hot as fuck temps before I got a bigger fan even when I was using 2 smaller 105m^3 fans it wasn't anywhere near decent. Hope this helps man and good luck!
Thanks for the advice! I'm only going to grow that one monster plant, either way I'm on a pot-dry spell as it is so a few months will feel like nothing, plus I'm piss poor so I can only afford either feminized or autoflower. I haven't even thought about getting a cooltube... Well, since I can't afford nothing too fancy and I'm already breaking that rule with getting Orca grow film but I think I can make 2 exceptions total. I'm not growing yet because this is still under dev but I'm going to visit a growshop soon to buy some equipment and start setting my grow space so this thread will most likely be more like softcore porn for a while before I can deliver some sexy grow pics.
 

MF-Wizard

Active Member
Wow.......................^^^^ this may be the longest post ever in rollitup history. I refuse to read this novel. If you want anyone to follow this thread please open a new one thats summed up in a paragraph or two. Who do you think you are? Charles Dickens?
Ok, here's a short version
grow box is medium size, plants gonna be huge as fuck, dwc is the way, nute help want, Solid Snake.
There you go, do you need help reading it?
 

Alienwidow

Well-Known Member
Ok, here's a short version
grow box is medium size, plants gonna be huge as fuck, dwc is the way, nute help want, Solid Snake.
There you go, do you need help reading it?
Well now that you condensed it no. Before hell yes. I probably would have had to grab several dictionaries and a couple thesaurus's to breack through the great wall of china post you made. So, dwc is good. Great return. Whats the starting ph of the water your using and whats the starting ppm?
 

MF-Wizard

Active Member
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Okay so sorry for being AFK for a LOOOONG time but shit hit the fan pretty hard here where I live. Apparently one of my neighbors was growing pot and wasn't really good about the whole stealth factor cuz he got caught like a child trying to steal cookies. How does this affect me? Well my landlord gave a warning to the rest of the tenants that a police squad would come by to check the building for any other grow ops. At this point I already had the Orca growfilm, 600W HPS, digital ballast and some trimming tools so not that much was lost but the ballast cost A LOT and Orca reflection sheet isn't cheap (99 euros a piece). Afterwards there was a lot of neighborhood paranoia about druglords and shit so I had to keep low for a good while and that meant not doing ANYTHING for a good while. I dodged a bullet TWICE during this, not only does the law here dictate HPS lamps as growing equipment and that my neighbor was someone I knew well put me in a tight spot but luckily I had a aquarium in my basement which I've had since I was a kid so I explained that the HPS and ballast were for a big ass lizard I was going to get and that HPS lamps are the best for that species. Second bullet I dodged by simply stating that would a drug dealer tell a person they only know as a neighbor that they have pot so I got off easy but they still took the ballast and HPS before and even though they didn't raise any charges they never returned them and I didn't want to raise a fuzz about it. Oh and the growfilm? I had to chop that into million little pieces because of the lack off time to prepare so I'm back to square fucking one and I fucking hate it... I'm really starting to lose my shit, I want to move to Canada and grow pot there with no worries, but I'm broke... Broke and a broken man... Why the fuck did my luck have strike out and give me a fucking idiot grower who grew 30 plants with no stealth equipment for a neighbor???
 

Cylis420

Member
Wow.......................^^^^ this may be the longest post ever in rollitup history. I refuse to read this novel. If you want anyone to follow this thread please open a new one thats summed up in a paragraph or two. Who do you think you are? Charles Dickens?
Now that is FAF! Bahahah
 

Cylis420

Member
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Okay so sorry for being AFK for a LOOOONG time but shit hit the fan pretty hard here where I live. Apparently one of my neighbors was growing pot and wasn't really good about the whole stealth factor cuz he got caught like a child trying to steal cookies. How does this affect me? Well my landlord gave a warning to the rest of the tenants that a police squad would come by to check the building for any other grow ops. At this point I already had the Orca growfilm, 600W HPS, digital ballast and some trimming tools so not that much was lost but the ballast cost A LOT and Orca reflection sheet isn't cheap (99 euros a piece). Afterwards there was a lot of neighborhood paranoia about druglords and shit so I had to keep low for a good while and that meant not doing ANYTHING for a good while. I dodged a bullet TWICE during this, not only does the law here dictate HPS lamps as growing equipment and that my neighbor was someone I knew well put me in a tight spot but luckily I had a aquarium in my basement which I've had since I was a kid so I explained that the HPS and ballast were for a big ass lizard I was going to get and that HPS lamps are the best for that species. Second bullet I dodged by simply stating that would a drug dealer tell a person they only know as a neighbor that they have pot so I got off easy but they still took the ballast and HPS before and even though they didn't raise any charges they never returned them and I didn't want to raise a fuzz about it. Oh and the growfilm? I had to chop that into million little pieces because of the lack off time to prepare so I'm back to square fucking one and I fucking hate it... I'm really starting to lose my shit, I want to move to Canada and grow pot there with no worries, but I'm broke... Broke and a broken man... Why the fuck did my luck have strike out and give me a fucking idiot grower who grew 30 plants with no stealth equipment for a neighbor???


Good call, move to Canada. That would solve all your problems.
 

Cylis420

Member
Um...... yea...... that's like...... really old...... :bigjoint:
I’m not sure you understand what the “dots”mean. At least here in Canada one of them equals the end of a sentence. I think you wer on your mums tit a little to long ... especially the endless need for attention... poor me me me millennial for sure.
 

Hollatchaboy

Well-Known Member
I’m not sure you understand what the “dots”mean. At least here in Canada one of them equals the end of a sentence. I think you wer on your mums tit a little to long ... especially the endless need for attention... poor me me me millennial for sure.
Yes I know what they mean. They can also be used to signify sentence run on, which is what I was doing with it in that example.

Yea, perhaps I was, but I was on your mommas' longer.

Millennial? I'm 49 years old.

Now I don't know why you got your panties in a bunch. I was just messin around. You seem a lil thin skinned. Perhaps you're the millennial.
 

Dank Bongula

Well-Known Member
:clap:Nice job resurrecting a 6 year old dead thread from a goof with a rambling complex who couldn't complete one grow. bongsmilie
 
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