First Grow from Day 0

diggs99 said:

Your plants arent dead lol

I agree , they look overwatered....start letting the pots dry out before giving more water. get used to the weight of the pot when its light and when its soaked, then you will know when it needs water. Small seedlings like yours dont require much water for survival.

Once you soak one of those pots, it shouldnt need water again for a good minute while they are small like this.

Not sure they are ready to transplant yet either, id give them a little more time. I usually wait until the leaves are at the edges of the pot, this means the pot is filling with roots.

Patience will be your biggest threat , keep it simple, water, let them dry out, water again. keep lights on set schedule, keep temps within a 15f swing ideally , keep rh at workable % and you will be fine.

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Yea, I did poured some water daily, as the soil seemed too dry. So i thought it dried so fast because of the light.
Two of them have their leaves nearly reaching edges of the pot. And also, they are quite tall for seedlings, so I'd bury them deeper.
Temps and rh are pretty ok.
Patience, yea, I thought I had it but... I might be tended to overdo things )))
Thanks a lot man!

ChiefRunningPhist said:

If it were me I'd..

1. Scoop w my hand and bury deeper.

2. Use a couple CFLs/LEDs 4000k or higher on 24/7 till they get bigger & save some money.

3. Switch to 50/50 coco/perlite for final transplanting and feeding via bottled nutes or chemical nutes to simplify future troubleshooting.

But that's just me, lots of opinions, preferences of grow style, scenarios, ect, just trying to help and add solutions to pick from.

EDIT: I often get white mold growing ontop of my medium, no biggie. I'm hydro, but my coco has mycorrhizae and and I add neem meal as a pesticide.

You are over watering, only water when you stick your finger in and its dry, if it's moist you gotta chill.

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Yea, does would be some good improvements, but I wouldn't change conditions. CFLs would be a good option, but I will try them for future seedlings. LEDs are waaay to expensive in my area and quite difficult to get a decent set. Else, I would have opted for those from the very start.
About coco, I've heard, but I was more familiar with soil, so I said I'll start with it, as the most basic. Definitely an upgrade for a next grow.
And yes, overwatering - I've stuck a finger in and soil is still moist enough.
Got over excited, I guess )

Thanks man

jtrizzy said:

Transplant? those are over watered and dead at day 9. That little seedling in a pot that big wont need to be watered for at least 2 weeks. Start in solo cups next time. Toss them start again and use coco. use the 400w hps but far away, if you can dim it down even better. Also germinate directly into the coco, forget the paper towel or water nonsense its not needed. You are way over thinking this.

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Of course they are not dead. And no, not gonna toss them. As this is the first, I wanna learn to do this stuff and I might be overthinking it, indeed. But at my second grow, I will definitely know a lot more (watering, using coco and all).
Thx. And peace, man!

putyourlightson said:

Of course they are not dead. And no, not gonna toss them. As this is the first, I wanna learn to do this stuff and I might be overthinking it, indeed. But at my second grow, I will definitely know a lot more (watering, using coco and all).
Thx. And peace, man!

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Not dead huh? ... alright. Good luck sir.

diggs99 said:

Your plants arent dead lol

I agree , they look overwatered....start letting the pots dry out before giving more water. get used to the weight of the pot when its light and when its soaked, then you will know when it needs water. Small seedlings like yours dont require much water for survival.

Once you soak one of those pots, it shouldnt need water again for a good minute while they are small like this.

Not sure they are ready to transplant yet either, id give them a little more time. I usually wait until the leaves are at the edges of the pot, this means the pot is filling with roots.

Patience will be your biggest threat , keep it simple, water, let them dry out, water again. keep lights on set schedule, keep temps within a 15f swing ideally , keep rh at workable % and you will be fine.

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Why are you giving him false hope? Not sure why you want to waste his time. If he replants new seeds now and does things right he would be far ahead and much better off in 8 days than he would be in another week with these plants. He’s on day 10 and his plants look like that......

#hopesanddreams

jtrizzy said:

Not dead huh? ... alright. Good luck sir.

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as I said, I think practice leads to learning, even if it is by doing great mistakes. And even if everything is eventually lost.
Mistakes and loss tend to be unforgettable
But thanks for speaking up!

putyourlightson said:

as I said, I think practice leads to learning, even if it is by doing great mistakes. And even if everything is eventually lost.
Mistakes and loss tend to be unforgettable
But thanks for speaking up!

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I wasn’t saying it to be a jerk, just don’t want you to waste time. Lord knows I have wasted time on plants I should have chopped long before I did.

putyourlightson said:

as I said, I think practice leads to learning, even if it is by doing great mistakes. And even if everything is eventually lost.
Mistakes and loss tend to be unforgettable
But thanks for speaking up!

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More power to ya - you're absolutely right, you learn by making mistakes, I think your plants will do just fine, I'm pulling for ya!

Stop watering for about 1 or even 2 weeks

There's definitely a learning curve starting out. Going from reading articles, forums, and books to being able to tune in figure out what your girls need takes a minute. I screwed up my first five seeds in the 10 hours I was at work because I thought it'd be a good idea to give my sprouts a little breeze through the dome and it dried out the rockwool cubes. Came home to shriveled sadness. Tried again and once I got past the seedling stage things got easier.
Don't give up, you'll get there, and it's soooo f'ing awesome when you see them take off in Veg.
Underthink it, overthink it, or just feel it out. All I can advise is to chill and enjoy the process.
Happy Growing

2WorldsFrog said:

There's definitely a learning curve starting out. Going from reading articles, forums, and books to being able to tune in figure out what your girls need takes a minute. I screwed up my first five seeds in the 10 hours I was at work because I thought it'd be a good idea to give my sprouts a little breeze through the dome and it dried out the rockwool cubes. Came home to shriveled sadness. Tried again and once I got past the seedling stage things got easier.
Don't give up, you'll get there, and it's soooo f'ing awesome when you see them take off in Veg.
Underthink it, overthink it, or just feel it out. All I can advise is to chill and enjoy the process.
Happy Growing

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Yea, the learning curve is amazing. There is surprise, as I've read and watched a lot of tutorials and whatnot, but to put all that into practice... is a quite a challenge.
Your story is a very good one, yea. The world ain't coming to end if you had failure, but i think it's only more motivating to start over again.
I think they're doing good right now.
Thanks for the saying all this.
Happy Growing to you too!

ChiefRunningPhist said:

More power to ya - you're absolutely right, you learn by making mistakes, I think your plants will do just fine, I'm pulling for ya!

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Yea, man, I feel great having your support!
Girls seem to be doing ok

jtrizzy said:

I wasn’t saying it to be a jerk, just don’t want you to waste time. Lord knows I have wasted time on plants I should have chopped long before I did.

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Appreciate it, man. Yea, I know what you mean. I guess in life, generally speaking, there are things that we wished to have chopped long before than when we actually did.
But "the perfect blossom is a rare thing. You could spend your life looking for one, and it would not be a wasted life!"

Day 13
Lower leaves and cotyledons got yellow and they're also drooping. Charts say that it's Nitrogen deficiency.
So gonna go get some N fertilizer.
Any ideas on dosage - with them being so small?

UPDATE: Over the past 5 hours, the leaves drooped more - and now they are shriveled. Checked deep into the soil and it was very dry. So I figured that it must have been the fan blowing a breeze on them, that dried them - I don't know how else to explain this sudden change...
So I stopped the fan. Also, I discarded some of the old dry soil and topped with some fresh one. Didn't watered, but poured some water in their trays. Humidifier is on, so i hope it will help...

UPDATE: I sprayed some water on them. And 10 hours later (4 of light and 6 of dark) I find them ok. Leaves got back up. So they were too dry.
I hope that the Nitrogen from the new soil gets to the the plant.

How often have you been watering? What's your medium? At this point, use 1/4-1/2 strength nutes at most, increase nutes slowly, be sure not to over-water! Always let the soil get pretty dry between, to promote root growth. Roots need the air as much as the water.

putyourlightson said:

Yea, man, it's ok, appreciate it. No, I can't say you're wrong, it's just what I've read. I would love 1000w's too, but as I said, I wanted too keep a bit low - on price and electricity too. That's why the 400w dual spectrum.
Here's the link for the lamps.
https://grownuphydroponics.com/grolux-sylvania-grow-lamps-dual-spectrum.html

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Yes that’s pretty close still to a reg hps and best for flower. That being said, hps can do great in veg..you just get stretchier plants. You should have just as many bud sites if not more. Just a taller plant. Rh at even 35-40% in veg is ok. Certainly no optimal but shouldn’t really be an issue. I’ve been vegging and flowering in humidity in the 30s this current grow and plants have all been very happy and reaching for the lights

The plants are showing yellow cause of the watering habits. You should never be nitrogen deficient like that with only 3 sets of baby leaves. They’re going to possibly get worst if transplanted because they’re not ready. The roots surely haven’t filled that pot right yet. Shouldn’t go digging too deep into that soil with your finger either cause you’ll hurt roots. Adding nitrogen isn’t going to be the fix. Fix your watering habits is what I’d say. I use Promix with no added nutes and plants usually get to their 5th set of leaves before showing yellow on bottom set of leaves. A seedling got size doesn’t need a soaked pot. Doesn’t matter how long you let them dry between waterings. They hate too much water. 3-4 days between watering at most. If you have to wait longer, you’ve soked them too much. At that size, they’ll only need maybe a dozen tablespoons of water.