First grow, estimated yield predictions, please. Pics included.

nobody important

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again not arguing defoliation. I dont really care either way.

Its a technique. one that works well (best imo) if you are using inferior lighting (like flowering under 216w of t5, 150-200w cfl, or a low wattage led)
I noticed slowed growth, for sure, but the ability to have cfl's or t5s right next to the buds can help overall quality/potential. I tried flowering a plant under a t5, and the plant outgrew the light. only the top 2/3 of the chollas grew right. Calyxes were dense, frosty, and swelling. the bottom 1/3 were sparsely covered in trichs and most the calyxes weren't swelling. minor defoliation and some added cfls next to the lucky buds and trich density and budswell increased. Overall in my low wattage experience, I noticed anywhere from 5-10% loss in yield weight, but 6-12 grams is rather negligible. It also seemed to raise trich density maybe 3-5%. Again I like this technique for low wattage, and have not found much reason to do this with mh/hps. Simple lollipoping increases top weight enough that i feel no shame and have no qualms about cutting oversize "suckers." (in fact, i kind of enjoy cutting branches, makes me smile seeing a "sucker" with as fat a stem as the main stems of so many new growers plants on here.)


I personally do just about everything, defoliation being about the least commonly practiced in my garden. I can be mean to my bitches, but always in a caring and thoughtful way. I just did the first topping to 8 of this years play-toys.
They're on the 6th node and decided to top to the 3rd like in mainlining but i left 4 "tops" instead of 2. on the first (largest) I found a hollow stem. by the seventh noticed how easily i could bend the stems. So in number 8 I removed the bottom 4 shoots and leaves and bent the stem. it touched itself without snapping! It was end of light cycle so next lights on i'm going to tie it to its own stem loosely by a leaf with some twine.
These plants are just for fun mostly because the only local soil when i started these was stay-green garden soil. 8 qts of perlite later and the only complaints im having are mostly visual and self fixing. One plant does have urea or chlorine burn. one has a calcium abundance. all are showing slight mag def,with slight p abundance. Basically its only 2-3 steps up from mg, but its kicking ass. They also have some water-spot light burn, but thats my fault.
I havent decided whether to scrog'n'flower these in a few weeks or whether to veg for next season about 4.5 months away, which is a little hard to do when you need to order some grow nutes......

my leaves are transpiring so much theres water buildup where they touch. should i be worried during seedling stage? my humidifier broke and my temp solution has been keeping the rh between 65-78%......


sorry to ramble and threadjack, i find it happening often nowadays, after the hash but before the sleep. my bad. goodnight.
you may be over diagnosing. My brother in law is using my old t5 setup (8 bulbs at 4 feet long )to flower right now in a bathtub. he is using seedism seeds BLZ bud which have stayed at less than 2 feet from top of soil (nice short bushy pheno) and he just scored almost 6 oz between 3 plants correctly dried and cured bud before the holidays. The plants were vegged for almost a month and no trimming or defoliation took place. The bottom buds were no light were hitting were very small but still fully developed. In my experience choosing phenos from strains, Ive discovered certain phenos from certain strains to just flat out produce horrible bud towards the bottom of the plants no matter how perfect the were grown. These mostly were massively unstable phenos that came from breeding seeds way beyond their lineage (f2, f3, f4, f5, etc). I love these unstable hybrids just because you never know the surprise you will end up with (due to instability these can create various phenotypes showing genetics that have been lost for generations). Its why every time I buy a strain, I buy multiple packs. Nowadays with all the overbred strains in our genetic cesspools there is no such thing as one or 2 phenos coming from a particular strains seeds, unless if you buy a legit f1 or something in the IBL category. If you keep getting undeveloped buds towards bottom, try new strains. The last one I used for mass production was HSO blue dream. I flowered 18 of these and found a pheno no one believed was blue dream it was so damn good. Still not as good as the blue dreams ive seen out of Cali though
 

Heygurlll

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you may be over diagnosing. My brother in law is using my old t5 setup (8 bulbs at 4 feet long )to flower right now in a bathtub. he is using seedism seeds BLZ bud which have stayed at less than 2 feet from top of soil (nice short bushy pheno) and he just scored almost 6 oz between 3 plants correctly dried and cured bud before the holidays. The plants were vegged for almost a month and no trimming or defoliation took place. The bottom buds were no light were hitting were very small but still fully developed. In my experience choosing phenos from strains, Ive discovered certain phenos from certain strains to just flat out produce horrible bud towards the bottom of the plants no matter how perfect the were grown. These mostly were massively unstable phenos that came from breeding seeds way beyond their lineage (f2, f3, f4, f5, etc). I love these unstable hybrids just because you never know the surprise you will end up with (due to instability these can create various phenotypes showing genetics that have been lost for generations). Its why every time I buy a strain, I buy multiple packs. Nowadays with all the overbred strains in our genetic cesspools there is no such thing as one or 2 phenos coming from a particular strains seeds, unless if you buy a legit f1 or something in the IBL category. If you keep getting undeveloped buds towards bottom, try new strains. The last one I used for mass production was HSO blue dream. I flowered 18 of these and found a pheno no one believed was blue dream it was so damn good. Still not as good as the blue dreams ive seen out of Cali though
FWIW, I think i just was way too hard on my plants. The plant produced more than twice what i was expecting, and would have tasted great if i had used some real people nutes. potency is definitely there, but taste takes it from a 5 or 6 on my scale to a 1. Other people said it was maybe a 4-5 for them even with the taste, and the stone quality was a solid 7-8.

I'll be a little more in depth on my t5 lower bud density statement..
Last year I was unexpectedly stuck with a friends poorly (and accidentally) monster-cropped 1.2 ft tall clone at the end of season and decided to see what a 4 bulb could produce.
I got 3.5 oz give or take a 1/2 oz from that single plant (never bothered weighing it, still have a big bowl filled with future hash as the smoke itself tastes like ass). My issues last year were cold + overfeed of high p containing plant foods/use of bloom booster as sole flower food+overwatering/large pot size +soil compaction+ much too large a plant+ trying to grow on pocket change. i also suffered at random times from aphids, spider mites, spider hatchlings, fungus gnats, root aphids and eventually root rot.
The plant was 1' wider than the footprint from my 4' bulb, and had chollas/main buds ranging from 5-10 inches. It was a spider mite outbreak that finally made me do it,and i dont regret defoliating. Just overfeeding.....

I plan to redo that grow sometime with a real budget (maybe this run) and scrog 2-3 or pseudo-mainline 3-4. I believe the scrog would have the better bud uniformity as mainlining and getting 8-15 inch chollas kind of defeats the purpose of an even canopy in this case.

I definitely like the quality a t5 can put out though.
 

Dr. Who

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I keep hearing these odd looking "robot" dudes chasing me around and screaming,,,,,"Defoliate,,DEFOLIATE,,DE-FO-LI-ATE !"





Years later, I tried to defend my point!





But they won't listen.....So I just went back to killing them!






But they keep coming back with that damned,,,,,,"Defoliate,,DEFOLIATE,,DE-FO-LI-ATE !"




Doc
 
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