i was looking for a 175 mh but thats 116.99.i might as well get a 250 for 117.99 but then its only for veg.so i was figuring all i need is about 10,000-20,000 lumens in the veg room.also i pay my bills cable,internet,phone,light,gas,car insurance and rent so i dont need an extra 50 dollars from a mh ill just use some floros but ill upgrade to a 250-400 mh eventually when everything gets going..but for now ill just use a cfl or 2x2 t5s...dk ill post pics tommorow just for you....i dont lie on my plants..lol....