First DWC grow

firsttimeARE

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Pretty deep. I'd say about 5-6 inches deep from the top of the lid. They're about 1/2 inch under the lid, about 1.5inch tall RW. So 3-4 inches from the bottom. I'm counting from putting seed in the buckets. It's been 16 days since I put the seeds in the RW.

Did you check out where I listed the stats for my air pumps? Is that enough air? Guy at hydro store said it'd be plenty, if not I was planning on getting a water farm setup and would use the air pumps for them.

If not the 2 outlet was 7.8L/min the 4 outlet was 15L/min. Serving 6 buckets so i'd say 22-24gal of water total.
 
Someguy15

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Pumps looks decent, but I would recommend something like 10L per bucket, minimum of 5L. the waterfarm kits basically just give you top drip, so you might consider still using stones in the bucket for when the roots hit the solution. Does your store sell the GH dual diaphragm pumps? They run about $60 but they are 20L 4 outlet and rebuildable. They also have dual diaphragms in case one goes out, your stuff won't die. Use lower power pumps for the farm kits tho, they don't need a ton of air to work properly.

Also smaller net pots might work better... the quicker the roots break out of the medium and into the solution the better with DWC. You just need some medium there for anchoring.
 
firsttimeARE

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Gotcha boss...I will put these 2 I got in the humidome deep into the pots so theres about 1 inch of medium underneath and a lot of air up top for extra oxygen. And this way I can fill up once the plant gets bigger.

Yeah I wasn't going to replace the stones...What I meant was if my current pumps were too small i'd use them as the waterfarm pump and get a more powerful one for the buckets. The problem with the commercial air pumps the hydro guy said was that they're loud, dual diaphragm is quiet but they didn't stock it. Since you've convinced me to get better air pump, are those pumps I listed too powerful to use for the waterfarm?
 
Someguy15

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firsttimeARE said:
Gotcha boss...I will put these 2 I got in the humidome deep into the pots so theres about 1 inch of medium underneath and a lot of air up top for extra oxygen. And this way I can fill up once the plant gets bigger.

Yeah I wasn't going to replace the stones...What I meant was if my current pumps were too small i'd use them as the waterfarm pump and get a more powerful one for the buckets. The problem with the commercial air pumps the hydro guy said was that they're loud, dual diaphragm is quiet but they didn't stock it. Since you've convinced me to get better air pump, are those pumps I listed too powerful to use for the waterfarm?
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they are probably alright, you could always get a 2 't's and use one pump with 4 farm kits, or whatever to cut down the flow.
 
VoidObject

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I've had pretty consistent slow starts.. although I'm continuously getting my grow faster, you'll get it down man. Don't let the haters come in and say your plants are slow or small, they probably can't/don't even grow ;)
 
firsttimeARE

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Thanks, I know success will show soon. Making forward progress each attempt and some members on here are nice enough to follow my threads and give me their insights. Which I really appreciate.

Day 16:

Room low to mid 70's RH still at 40% about

Bagseed - finally stabilized PH, was at 5.8 when I checked. Upped nutes to 210ppm from 150 and that brought the PH to about 5.7
Auto - 5.8 brought down to 5.7 and upped to 190ppm from 135
MK Ultra - was 5.8 brought down to 5.7 and upped nutes to 150ppm from 135(still very small plant), I think it's showing light bleaching, not burn cause its not at the tips, its part of the blade betwen the veins, like patches of white. Lights are about 12inches above. 326w T5HO
Moby Dick - left it at 5.8 and upped nutes to 195ppm from 135ppm.

Hopefully this nute increase doesn't burn em. I plan on bringing the 200's to 250ish and the 150 to 200 soon if they handle this well.

Been slacking on the h2o2, but my res is constantly 64F as it's on a cold basement floor. Going to remember to drop some in today though, been like 4-5 days.

The power africa and chronic haze already got a centimeter long root sticking out the bottom, hopefully it stays nice and moist in the humidome and doesn't get brown tips like last time I left them in for like 3 weeks over the holidays(wasn't a good time to go in and outta the room with buckets of water, haha). That's like a 48hour rooting though, hopefully more roots come out soon and I can get it in the buckets in a week or so once a good deal of roots are out. Put like and inch or 2 of growstones and hopefully they'll take off quicker than these ladies I got now.
 
Someguy15

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firsttimeARE said:
Thanks, I know success will show soon. Making forward progress each attempt and some members on here are nice enough to follow my threads and give me their insights. Which I really appreciate.

Day 16:

Room low to mid 70's RH still at 40% about

Bagseed - finally stabilized PH, was at 5.8 when I checked. Upped nutes to 210ppm from 150 and that brought the PH to about 5.7
Auto - 5.8 brought down to 5.7 and upped to 190ppm from 135
MK Ultra - was 5.8 brought down to 5.7 and upped nutes to 150ppm from 135(still very small plant), I think it's showing light bleaching, not burn cause its not at the tips, its part of the blade betwen the veins, like patches of white. Lights are about 12inches above. 326w T5HO
Moby Dick - left it at 5.8 and upped nutes to 195ppm from 135ppm.

Hopefully this nute increase doesn't burn em. I plan on bringing the 200's to 250ish and the 150 to 200 soon if they handle this well.

Been slacking on the h2o2, but my res is constantly 64F as it's on a cold basement floor. Going to remember to drop some in today though, been like 4-5 days.

The power africa and chronic haze already got a centimeter long root sticking out the bottom, hopefully it stays nice and moist in the humidome and doesn't get brown tips like last time I left them in for like 3 weeks over the holidays(wasn't a good time to go in and outta the room with buckets of water, haha). That's like a 48hour rooting though, hopefully more roots come out soon and I can get it in the buckets in a week or so once a good deal of roots are out. Put like and inch or 2 of growstones and hopefully they'll take off quicker than these ladies I got now.
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Definetly. Here's how I do my seedlings. 24 hour soak (or overnight) with the seeds in a cup, room temp water, put it in the veg area for some warmth. Next day, I carefully dump the water, split the root riot cube a bit (I found just sticking them in the hole they can get stuck) and insert the seed. Usually within 48-72 hours they are up and opening to the light. I usually leave them like this in the cups no longer then 3 days and they have a tap root in the bottom of the cup. All and all, in about a weeks time they should be ready for potting.

You'll see as you up the nutes the ph will become more stable. White patches could be bleaching but it's pretty much impossible with T5/CFL... It can also be calcium. I would be at about 0.5EC right now, so ~250 ppm or so with those sized plants. You will be a little lower as your doing DWC, so I think your about spot on. Sorry about the EC speak but I always use it as it is really the only universal language... ppm comes in too many scales so u never know which scale the person is using. Is yours .5 conversion? .64? .7? get the point? lol

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firsttimeARE

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Thats pretty much how I do mine except I do the paper towel method, I let them soak until they sink usually about 6 hours or so. I leave mine covered over my radiator decorative casing. Then put them in damp and warm paper towels and put them in ziplock bags and put them on top of my T5 lamp. Usually 24h they sprouted about 1/8-1/4 inch and then I take my 24h buffered RW cubes and widen out the premade hole with tweezers and then use them to place the root pointing down and fray the perimeter of the hole to cover the hole and try to help shed the casing. About 24-48h they're up trying to remove their casing remnants.

I bought rapid rooters, similar I imagine to root riots, just haven't tried them yet. I'm really trying for this go around to work and didn't wanna switch anything up.

Maybe i'll look into some calmag if it is indeed that, you said 2.5ml/gal you used with ionic and it was fine? And from now on i'll post EC up there instead of ppm.
 
wiimb

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firsttimeARE said:
Day 14:

Switched back to 24's...those 6 hours were getting too cold(58-60F)
Temps around 72-77 lately with humidity still low at low 40's

The bagseed is still shifting like crazy from 5.6 to 6.0/6.1 most days depending on when I last checked it. All the ladies are solid .1 raise everyday. I'm probably just going to do 5.7/8 and let it rise to 5.8/9.

Bagseed is at about 150ppm and the rest at 130ppm with 85-90ppm starting water. Still using just Ionic grow.

Water level is below the net pots on all the plants and my RW is still getting pretty wet. Lotta spray coming from the air stones. No sign of roots yet...I keep looking through the net pot slots to see any in the rocks and I cannot. Growth is slow compared to other's grows, i'm guessing because I transplanted into the rocks as soon as I saw roots out the RW and it's trying to grow downward first before it grows leaves?

Well here are pictures I took on Day 13:

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Bag seed. The yellowed tips didn't progress any further, think the nutes helped it out if but a touch on the strong side in the beginning at 200ppm.
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Critical+auto. Around the midrib and the surrounding blade of the new leaves look light green.
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MK Ultra. Her tilt is starting to straighten but the leaves got more droopy in the process. Slowest growth of all.
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Moby Dick. Still looking the best.
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Power Africa to the left and Chronic haze to the right. Power africa is already sprouted, seed casing is stuck nice and tightly too, FML, hopefully the humidity loosens it. These were put in 2/7/12.
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some better than others, but overall looking good man, nice thread also:)
 
Someguy15

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firsttimeARE said:
Thats pretty much how I do mine except I do the paper towel method, I let them soak until they sink usually about 6 hours or so. I leave mine covered over my radiator decorative casing. Then put them in damp and warm paper towels and put them in ziplock bags and put them on top of my T5 lamp. Usually 24h they sprouted about 1/8-1/4 inch and then I take my 24h buffered RW cubes and widen out the premade hole with tweezers and then use them to place the root pointing down and fray the perimeter of the hole to cover the hole and try to help shed the casing. About 24-48h they're up trying to remove their casing remnants.

I bought rapid rooters, similar I imagine to root riots, just haven't tried them yet. I'm really trying for this go around to work and didn't wanna switch anything up.

Maybe i'll look into some calmag if it is indeed that, you said 2.5ml/gal you used with ionic and it was fine? And from now on i'll post EC up there instead of ppm.
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yeah, 1ml/g at this stage and then full size u can go max of 5ml/gal. It does have N in it too tho, so 5ml/g will raise your EC like 0.3 just a heads up.
 
firsttimeARE

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Day 17:

The bag seeds bottom set of leaves are turning light green. Its not around the perimeter working in, it's like working in an even line so it makes half the leaf look normal green and the other half light green with the yellowed tips from the beginning still.
All of the other plants look like they're getting lighter in green also. ( i'll snap some new pics today)

Still top feeding around the RW. Left the covers off today so the RW can dry out a bit. All the females are so wet, the bagseed is the only dry cube.

Bagseed - @5.8 / .29 EC / 19C - Left it alone for now, only rose .1 last night, and i'm changing all my res's today(the 18th day) This one has the highest water level, but is the dryest cube...Odd.
Auto - 5.7 / .26 EC / 19C - didn't move PH at all over 24hrs
MK Ultra - 5.7 / .20 EC / 18.6C - PH didn't budge, spots look like theyre spreading. I'll pick up some calmag today at the hydro store and see if it helps any.
Moby Dick - 5.7 / .27 EC / 18.3C - PH didn't budge, still looking good if not a bit light green leaves.

Wondering what I should put the buckets at EC wise.

I'm also wondering whats always causing my plants to become light green and then yellow and then necrotic. I live near the ocean, maybe theirs salinity in the water, i'm really grasping at straws trying to figure out whats causing this. I thought before I just wasn't giving enough nutes.
 
Someguy15

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firsttimeARE said:
Day 17:

The bag seeds bottom set of leaves are turning light green. Its not around the perimeter working in, it's like working in an even line so it makes half the leaf look normal green and the other half light green with the yellowed tips from the beginning still.
All of the other plants look like they're getting lighter in green also. ( i'll snap some new pics today)

Still top feeding around the RW. Left the covers off today so the RW can dry out a bit. All the females are so wet, the bagseed is the only dry cube.

Bagseed - @5.8 / .29 EC / 19C - Left it alone for now, only rose .1 last night, and i'm changing all my res's today(the 18th day) This one has the highest water level, but is the dryest cube...Odd.
Auto - 5.7 / .26 EC / 19C - didn't move PH at all over 24hrs
MK Ultra - 5.7 / .20 EC / 18.6C - PH didn't budge, spots look like theyre spreading. I'll pick up some calmag today at the hydro store and see if it helps any.
Moby Dick - 5.7 / .27 EC / 18.3C - PH didn't budge, still looking good if not a bit light green leaves.

Wondering what I should put the buckets at EC wise.

I'm also wondering whats always causing my plants to become light green and then yellow and then necrotic. I live near the ocean, maybe theirs salinity in the water, i'm really grasping at straws trying to figure out whats causing this. I thought before I just wasn't giving enough nutes.
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1/8 strength is what I would shoot for right now (2.5ml/gal). my base water is 0.4EC with the nutes added it comes out around 0.6-0.7EC once they get goin u can bump up to 1/4 then after about a couple weeks you can bump up to half. The bottle says target ec is 1.8, but with DWC I feel it's more like 1.4. I think it's time to bump the feed, .2-.27 ec is hardly nothin, I bet your seeing some yellowing cuz they want N. As long as they are healthy work them up to 0.5 EC at least. Esp when your using a tap with .1EC, you basically have to subtract that, so your at .1-.17EC which is very low.
 
firsttimeARE

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Day 18:

Room 74-80high@40% RH

Changed all the buckets and washed them today and upped the nutes. And bought 4 farm kits, calmag and placed an order for 2 GH dual diaphragm pumps and am going to use 2 cheapo 6" blue diffusers for each bucket.

All starting water averaged 6.7PH/.11EC/89 ppm

Bagseed(water level 4" from top) - gave 4ml cal mag which brought water to 6.7/.19/143 -> 5ml superthrive-> 5.0/.19/144->15ml ionic grow->5.1/.47/341

The addition of superthrive brough the PH down a lot so I stopped using it as I had to use .5ml ph up to get it to 5.5/6 which I read is bad to use after the addition of nutes.

Auto(5" from top)-same 4ml calmag(all plants got this) ->6.7/.19/142-> 15ml ionic grow->6.2/.49/356
Brought down to 5.6/5 with 12 drops ph down.

MK Ultra(4.5" from top)-same calmag 4ml ->6.7/.19/143->10ml grow(small still)->6.2/.39/283.
Brought down to 5.5 with 12 drops ph down

Moby Dick(4.5" from top)-same 4ml calmag ->6.6/.19/143->15ml grow->6.1/.48/348
Brought down to 5.5/6 with 11 drops of ph down

Hopefully you're right SG15...I took your advice and upped them all mostly to .5 EC.

Checked them an hour later and the bagseed was at 6.1.
Auto was at 5.9
MK ultra was at 5.9
Moby Dick was at 5.8

Lowered them all but the moby dick to 5.4(didn't wanna up them back) the moby dick was at 5.5.

I'm going to check them again in an hour and down it. And hope they down rise up again overnight. Be checking them bright and early.
 
Someguy15

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Use less superthrive. Like a drop a gal is all for maintainence. Everything else looks good. Keep them at this feed until they are 6 inches tall or so and the roots hit the res. Then u can watch the ec to determine feed. If it drops nutes are low, if it raises nutes are high. Stays the same, your spot on.
 
firsttimeARE

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Day 19:

Room temps 74-78 @ 40% RH
Water levels stayed the same
Still top feeding around the RW

Bagseed - 5.4/.46/323 -- Upped to 5.8 since it didn't rise at all over 17hrs
Auto - 5.4/.49/351 -- Upped to 5.8
MK Ultra - 5.4/.39/281 -- Upped to 5.8
Moby Dick - 5.6/.48/342 -- Upped to 5.8

Be back later tonight with pics.
 
wiimb

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firsttimeARE said:
Day 19:

Room temps 74-78 @ 40% RH
Water levels stayed the same
Still top feeding around the RW

Bagseed - 5.4/.46/323 -- Upped to 5.8 since it didn't rise at all over 17hrs
Auto - 5.4/.49/351 -- Upped to 5.8
MK Ultra - 5.4/.39/281 -- Upped to 5.8
Moby Dick - 5.6/.48/342 -- Upped to 5.8

Be back later tonight with pics.
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il be waiting, :):):)8)
 
Someguy15

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firsttimeARE said:
Day 19:

Room temps 74-78 @ 40% RH
Water levels stayed the same
Still top feeding around the RW

Bagseed - 5.4/.46/323 -- Upped to 5.8 since it didn't rise at all over 17hrs
Auto - 5.4/.49/351 -- Upped to 5.8
MK Ultra - 5.4/.39/281 -- Upped to 5.8
Moby Dick - 5.6/.48/342 -- Upped to 5.8

Be back later tonight with pics.
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ph stopped rising bc there's actually some feed in there now.
 
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