First Bubble Gum 400w hps bubble grow

crackerboy

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I will start with a basic inventory of what I am using.
- 400 w metal Halide for veg.
- 400 w HPS for flower.
- One submersible pump with feeding tubes.
- 2 air stones on separate air pumps.
- One rubber made tub with six 4 inch net pots.
- rock wool
- Hydra-ton
- general Hydroponics Micro, veg, Flower.


I sprouted from non fem seeds bought online. I sprouted 5 seeds in a paper towel. 4 of the 5 seeds cracked. I then transferred them to the rock wool and placed them into my system. I will not be giving them any nutes until next week. I have my reservoir ph at 6. These pictures are 3 days from sprout.
 

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crackerboy

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Week three from sprout. I had some Ph fluctuations early on in the week. It kept wanting to creep up. It has been stable for a couple days now sitting right at 6. I have some burning on the first set of leafs but all the rest of the growth looks good to me. I have some white crap climbing up my stem. Any suggestions on what that might be? I removed the feeder tubes when I changed out the reservoir. Put them on full nutes yesterday. 3 tsp per gallon of GH micro as well as 3 tsp per gallon of GH grow. I also flushed them with fresh ph,d water when I did the change. It looked like there was some salt build up.
 

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linsys

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Well I am certainly a noob but it could be mildew what is the temperature and the humidity in the grow area? Make sure you have a hydrometer. Also can you explain more about the white stuff? Is it powdery?
 

mr.smileyface

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why dont you do 3-2-1 for veg and 1-2-3 from bloom..... your going to have magnesium deficant....
3tbsgrow-2 micro--1bloom.....for veg......1-grow-2micro-3bloom per gallon
 

crackerboy

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yeah I can wipe it off with my finger. The temps in the room are 80 with the light on 18 hrs and 70 with it off. The humidity is low sitting at 30%.
 

linsys

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Not according to Lucas you need 0 Grow

lucas said:
General Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)

The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.

You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.

There are two ways to work with this formula:

1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.

2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.

Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!

For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.

The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.

NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.

The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.

Calculated EC/TDS levels:

EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS

TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm

TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm

Addback Calculator - (For Advanced Users)

Say you were running the 0-8-16 formula, at 0.7 conversion with a 22 gallon res. When you first fill it up, your ppm will be around 1330.

Now you have been growing for a week, and some of the water has been taken up by the plants, some has evaporated, and now your res is at 947 ppm. You need to get your ppm from 947 to 1330. Here is the equation:

((target - current) / target) * 8 ml per gallon * res gallons = Flora Micro (ml) double this figure to get Flora Bloom (ml)

Example:

((1330 - 947) / 1330) * 8 * 22
(383 / 1330) * 8 * 22
0.3 * 8 * 22 = 53 ml Flora Micro

53 ml Flora Micro, double that and you get 106 ml Flora Bloom. So 53 ml Flora Micro and 106 ml Flora Bloom to add back to your 22 gallon res to get you from 947 to 1330.

Using Hard Water GH Micro

I had been experimenting with using the Hard water Micro as a substitute for the normal Flora Micro, this to account for my hard 350 PPM water and the lack of a large enough RO filter at the time. It has worked well for me. I just kept my reservoir below 1150 PPM @ .5 conversion and its all good.

One tip - do not pH down this stuff, the hard water micro will drop pH gradually over the next 24 hours, for example I mix up a batch, it is at like 6.2, the next day, its at 5.6-5.8 after running in the system for a while. If I pH downed that to 5.7 before putting it in the system, it ended up as low as 4.8-5.2 by the next day.

My conclusion, the hard water micro was buffering the alkaline crud in my water, it just doesnot do it ASAP fast like the phosphoric acid.
 

linsys

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yeah I can wipe it off with my finger. The temps in the room are 80 with the light on 18 hrs and 70 with it off. The humidity is low sitting at 30%.
It could be mildew although Mildew is generally found at 50%+ humidity... is it powdery? If so I'd say defiantly mildew if so google how to fix it looks like there are some solutions at your local grow store.
 

mr.smileyface

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well where are you from?
i think the 3-2-1 1-2-3 is basic and very easy... those three together make a complete hydro formula... ur basicly starving your plant of macro nutes..
 

linsys

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well where are you from?
i think the 3-2-1 1-2-3 is basic and very easy... those three together make a complete hydro formula... ur basicly starving your plant of macro nutes..
Dude serious read the thread I'l telling you this guy explains it all..
 

mr.smileyface

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he probly is a great grower but i just dont agree with him.. i guess we all do things differnt.
i personally dont do the 3-2-1 i just go with what my soil/promix recipe is.
i do it organic and hyrdo and get amazing results
 

crackerboy

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Now that I have looked closer at the table provided by GH they also say that I should use 3-2-1, 1-2-3. I am using GH nutes and GH says that I need to add bloom. So I will do just that. Thanks for the heads up.
 

mr.smileyface

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no problem. try adding some diamond nectar and rhinoskin. watch your ppm levels tho.
what strain do you have there
 
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