First Attempt. Opinions Please?

bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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I think I finally understand the pic thing so here goes...These 2 have been in their pots for 4 days now.They are from left to right G13 Labs Pineapple Express and Eva seeds Veneno both fem'd. I germed in a paper towel placed in a sandwhich sized plastic container and wrapped in a cloth towel, about 2 days too pop. The mix is FF Happy Frog 4:1 w/perlite. I am using technaflora's recipe for success. I mixed 3/4 tsp of Thrive Alive B-1 with 1 quart of distilled water. I used just enough to thoroughly saturate my soil, and let it run off for a few minutes before placing the beans about 1/4" into the soil. I had covered them with plastic freezer bags the first 3 days to provide extra humidity. My lights are 1 90w Tri-band UFO and 4 6400k 35w cfls. My temp is running about 84 deg F and rHM is about 45%. My tent is 36"w x 20"d x 64"h all lights and the tent are from HTG supply.

This is my first ever attempt at this and I think I am doing ok, opinions please?View attachment 1478243View attachment 1478244
 
Discordantmindfck

Discordantmindfck

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Looking good mate. I'm not sure how hot that LED gets but try to get it as close as possible. When i use my CFLs for sprout and seedling i keep it around 2-3" away from the top so they spread out nicely and dont stretch to much.

Basically you want to encompass the plant with light as much as possible. Think about how the sun moves over a single location during the day.

But other than that advice (which from looking at the pics you are already doing with the cfls) if you have a journal started post a link so i can sub
 
bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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ok, here we are at day 12. On day 6 I noticed some browning on the tips of both plants. I stopped adding b1 completely, flushed the soil with distilled water and have watered 2 times since (every other day). On day 8 I cut off the necrotic leave tips. As you can see I have alot of new leaf growth but I am concerned about the yellowish color and there is also a little burning still going on at the tips of 2 of the pineapple express leaves. They are not showing much sign of upward growth the Veneno (left) is about 2" and the P.E. is about 1 and 1/2" .

I was planning on transplanting into the 3 gallon bags at 21 days. I am planning on using the technaflora system for transplant at a highly dilluted concentration and after the transplant shock will do a plain watering and then start feeding a dilluted vegging mix. Because I had the burn with the germination phase I am going to change my soil mix to a 50/50 FF happy Frog/perlite.

Any thoughts on the yellowing? Also is 21 days a good choice for transplant with the type of initial growth I have had?

This forum rocks!
 
Canon

Canon

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Nice!

2 suggestions;

1) Turn off all the lights EXCEPT 1 CFL. At this point it's all you need for another week anyways. And move it about 3 inches over the plant. One of them clamp-on lights with the aluminum shade. Works well.

2) If you must use distilled water, grab a air pump and a couple airstones from a pet shop / Wall Mart, etc. And airate the distilled water before you drown it.

Between them 2 you may cure the leaves.
 
Energi2DmaxX

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Canon said:
Nice!

2 suggestions;

1) Turn off all the lights EXCEPT 1 CFL. At this point it's all you need for another week anyways. And move it about 3 inches over the plant. One of them clamp-on lights with the aluminum shade. Works well.

2) If you must use distilled water, grab a air pump and a couple airstones from a pet shop / Wall Mart, etc. And airate the distilled water before you drown it.

Between them 2 you may cure the leaves.
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Canon you beat me to punch, and FF soil has nutes in it, should be good for atleast 4 more weeks, don't give them any more nutes till they get bigger and if you do 1/4 the amount
 
bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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TY Canon!

Not that I doubt you b/c I am surely in no position to do so. Just curious about the light thing, isn't more better? or do you think the yellowing is light bleaching? Also, I am not chained to a distilled water tap or anything LOL! is there something else you would suggest? I really don't wanna use rain water, I live in a very dirty urban area, lots of factories puking filth into the sky. I also don't really like the idea of tap water.. So I am kinda limited to bottled water or the reverse osmosis filter machine in the grocery store.
 
bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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TY energi!

I was absolutely going to do a 1/4 strength dillution of the transplant mix and only 1 feeding. Then I will plain water 2 times and then start feeding the vegging mix at 1/4 strength also the water, water, feed building up the concentration of nutes until at full strength or flowering whichever comes first. Also I did a 70/30 FF/perlite mix in the first pot, I decided to go 50/50 in transplant to cut down the nutes a bit as well.
 
Energi2DmaxX

Energi2DmaxX

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tap water can be sometimes good long as the chlorine has been bubble out of it, as it has some trace minerals that can be benifical to the plant, quite a few people that use RO water have to supplement with Cal Mag, tap water its quite common that stuff is in there, and bottle water can sometimes be quite alkaline... as for rain water it can be used just let it rain for a few hours before you collect it, but if you don't want to risk it spend a few bucks get a 5 gal water bottle and pay .35cents for refill bubble it check PH I be leave 6-6.5 is good... you do have a way to check PH don't you?
 
bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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Well, to be honest getting set up broke the bank. I have ph paper but it is of course not very accurate. I will get a decent meter as soon as the funding is available. The water I have been using runs at or very close to 7 ph as read on the strips.
 
Energi2DmaxX

Energi2DmaxX

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bkbbudz said:
Well, to be honest getting set up broke the bank.
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Yeah tell me about it got over $500 invested and still don't have ventilation or hydro set up yet for my tent yet. But the investment and the self satisfaction you grown your own buds will pay off in the end.

Best of Luck....Energi2DmaX :)
 
Canon

Canon

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bkbbudz said:
TY Canon!

Not that I doubt you b/c I am surely in no position to do so. Just curious about the light thing, isn't more better? or do...... QUOTE]

For some reason, that seems to be a popular belief.

Try this;

Plant Moisture Stress - symptoms and solutions <- click?

Quote;
3. High Light - yes, it’s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, debris and dust collection on the leaf surface, twilight periods of early morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system. Keep in mind that all but equatorial material receive less light during flowering than during the vegetative stage. - Unkle Ben

Too much light before it's ready is like riding down a steep hill with a corner at the bottom. AND no brakes! Without the roots / stem, you're doomed to crashing.

Give you an idea,,
This is 12 clones from cutting with only one 18 watt CFL.
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bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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Quote;
3. High Light - yes, it&#8217;s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, debris and dust collection on the leaf surface, twilight periods of early morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system. Keep in mind that all but equatorial material receive less light during flowering than during the vegetative stage. - Unkle Ben

Well, that totally makes sense too me. I took your suggestion and only have the one cfl on them now. Next question they seem to be getting very dry, very quickly. I watered about 8:00 on Monday 3/14 I lifted them this morning and they feel very light and the top soil is crusty. I was gonna hold off watering until tomorrow night but now I don't know. Opinions?
 
Canon

Canon

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yes, water it.

Don't water by any clock / set time. Water when it's needed. But don't keep them wet either.
water really good (I like to see run-off,, then let them dry fairly well (light pot), and repeat. I generally add nutes once a week with it.
 
bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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ok, I watered the girls with a magi-cal solution of 1/4 tsp to 1 quart of distilled water. I only gave them enough to get a little run off. I also still have them under only the one cfl. I hope they can start doing a little better. I think the over-lighting may have also caused their shortness? Here are todays pics, these are from a side angle to show the height. I also cut off the 2 necrotic tips that were on the P.E.

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bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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The girls look like they are gonna recover! I clipped the remaining bits of necrotic leafs from both girls last night. The color of both is getting better and there is no more droopiness. It also appears that upward growth is starting again. No pics today, I am training myself to leave them alone and let them do what God intended them to do. So I have not gone near them all day (except to sneak a peek at them and the temp). Note too self: seedlings do not need more than 1 cfl on them to grow, bottled water needs to have calcium and magnesium added, never add nutes to newly germinated seeds.

Thanks too all who advised! This forum rocks!
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bkbbudz

bkbbudz

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OK, I turned the other 3 cfls back on but left the LED off. I have not watered since day 13 and they are still not needing it today. Here are some pics I took on day 14, looks like they are recovering nicely. I have a friend who has seelings the same age as mine and has them under 400w MH. His show no signs at all of what I had going on. I think my issue was adding nutes too early and then a calcium deficiency, rather than over lighting.
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