Financing Medicare for All
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we need taxation that the wealthy can't write off leaving the poor man holding the bag.
negative effective tax rates have led us to a crumbing infrastructure while large corps use said infrastructure, carte blanche.
anyone notice their tax refund was smaller than usual or they had to pay for the first time in awhile? that was Trumpy's tax cut in action- reverse trickle down right up to the wealthy.
anyone notice their grocery bill higher these days? that was Trumpy's tariffs in action.
and now Trumpy wants to have mexico stop the immigrant populace through tariff action up to 25%..who do YOU think is really going to pay for this?
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CannaBruh
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Trickle down doesn't work. It assumes the entity intended to do the trickling won't sink any gains made from tax relief into profits.
Stop killing humans on planet earth, take resources and allocate to help healing humans on planet earth. That's a start. Until then it's hard to justify taxing for health for some while we tax to kill so many more.
Stop killing humans on planet earth, take resources and allocate to help healing humans on planet earth. That's a start. Until then it's hard to justify taxing for health for some while we tax to kill so many more.
Fogdog
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that's nice
getting back to the original topic,
How much is Bernie's plan going to cost? How will it be paid for?
Referring to Bernie's missive at the beginning of this thread, even though he led off with those questions, Bernie didn't answer them.
Padawanbater2
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Padawanbater2
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"How is medical debt paid off in America?"
"A lot of it isn't.
This is all part of the reason why medical debt is the single-largest driving factor (66.5%) behind people declaring bankruptcy in the United States.
The following is an extreme example, but not an uncommon one. I've heard very much the same from quite a few other people over the years since.
My mom had a massive heart attack when I was 15. It lead to a quintuplet bypass procedure, and then 6 subsequent surgeries due to complications. CCU (coronary care unit) for 3 weeks, ICU for 2 weeks, general recovery room for 2 weeks, and then lived in an in-house physical rehab facility for around a month.
Total cost was nearly $1,000,000 USD. That cost did not include the now life-long expenses of medication, monitoring, etc., that was her new normal. She had low income before the heart attack, so having the resources to contend with a million dollar bill, not a chance. Didn't matter to the system, they filed suit against her. A now-disabled (due to the aforementioned surgical complications), elderly woman to get every penny they could from her. So she was left with one choice, declare bankruptcy.
This whole ridiculous system can also lead you into a catch-22, one I've experienced personally.
I, too, have chronic medical conditions that involve expensive testing and whatnot. Conditions that have made it difficult to maintain steady employment. So this cycle kicks in. I have to get treatment, but can't pay the bill. So that goes into collections and then negatively affects my credit rating. Many, many, companies use your credit rating when determining whether or not they'll hire you (which I think should be illegal). So I found myself with a medical condition that cost money, but getting it treated meant bills I couldn't afford which hurt my credit rating which then impacted by ability to get a decent-enough job so that I might be able to afford treatment.
It's maddening, and a great many people are stuck in this exact same cycle. It's why so many people avoid going to the doctor until the very last minute. They either literally can't afford it, or they can't afford the consequences of daring to seek medical help."
https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/bykb3v/non_americans_of_reddit_what_is_the_craziest/?st=jwpb3keu&sh=e3319b51
"A lot of it isn't.
This is all part of the reason why medical debt is the single-largest driving factor (66.5%) behind people declaring bankruptcy in the United States.
The following is an extreme example, but not an uncommon one. I've heard very much the same from quite a few other people over the years since.
My mom had a massive heart attack when I was 15. It lead to a quintuplet bypass procedure, and then 6 subsequent surgeries due to complications. CCU (coronary care unit) for 3 weeks, ICU for 2 weeks, general recovery room for 2 weeks, and then lived in an in-house physical rehab facility for around a month.
Total cost was nearly $1,000,000 USD. That cost did not include the now life-long expenses of medication, monitoring, etc., that was her new normal. She had low income before the heart attack, so having the resources to contend with a million dollar bill, not a chance. Didn't matter to the system, they filed suit against her. A now-disabled (due to the aforementioned surgical complications), elderly woman to get every penny they could from her. So she was left with one choice, declare bankruptcy.
This whole ridiculous system can also lead you into a catch-22, one I've experienced personally.
I, too, have chronic medical conditions that involve expensive testing and whatnot. Conditions that have made it difficult to maintain steady employment. So this cycle kicks in. I have to get treatment, but can't pay the bill. So that goes into collections and then negatively affects my credit rating. Many, many, companies use your credit rating when determining whether or not they'll hire you (which I think should be illegal). So I found myself with a medical condition that cost money, but getting it treated meant bills I couldn't afford which hurt my credit rating which then impacted by ability to get a decent-enough job so that I might be able to afford treatment.
It's maddening, and a great many people are stuck in this exact same cycle. It's why so many people avoid going to the doctor until the very last minute. They either literally can't afford it, or they can't afford the consequences of daring to seek medical help."
https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/bykb3v/non_americans_of_reddit_what_is_the_craziest/?st=jwpb3keu&sh=e3319b51
UncleBuck
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what's bernie's plan for getting that to pass congress without nuking the filibuster?$30 trillion over 10 years
at least elizabeth waren has a workable plan. that's just a list of wishes
throw some pennies in a well, you'll have a better shot
Unclebaldrick
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He finds a lot of them sweeping up the school.
Unclebaldrick
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"We'll never let Russia have what lies beneath the Black Sea but we'll do our damndest to elect a POTUS of their choice!"
Fogdog
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Uhh, What you just posted isn't in Bernie's bill. Aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself? Looks like you are buying magic beans. Bernie isn't saying this is what he WILL do he is saying what COULD be done. Don't take what I'm saying personally, it's not your fault that Bernie has done a half assed job at legislation. You are foolish for buying his medicine-showman's pitch but I don't blame you for Bernie's bill being such a piece of shit.$30 trillion over 10 years
How much does the plan cost? One estimate I read here is $32 trillion over 10 years. It's not an official number though. "Sanders' office has not done a cost analysis, a spokesman said." Why not?
So, add revenue from all those numbers up. Does it equal 30 trillion dollars over 10 years? I don't think it pencils out. You made the claim, cite a reputable source that says those measures IF ENACTED would pay for it all. Mind you, the measures you cite are just a thought study and not part of Bernie's healthcare bill.
Doesn't matter though. Voters will get wind of the fact that Bernie's bill would force them off the plans they like for a one size fits all Medicare system and they are going to trash Bernie at the polls. Not to mention the people who already don't like him because he's a crappy leader, especially when it comes to civil rights.
You are getting desperate and grasping at straws.
Fogdog
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You are quick to put others in the same idiot bin that you reside in.
Warren is backing Bernie's bill but her support isn't as strong as you infer. Same with Booker and Gillibrand. They all have given support to the idea of a public option.
squarepush3r
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Most of the climate change taxes and carbon taxes hurt the poor mostly. Higher electricity, energy, gasoline taxes hits their pockets the hardest.
Yet you so called "progressives" constantly shill for these carbon tax plans to help subsidize your $120k luxury Tesla vehicles.
ttystikk
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So when are you going to acknowledge unearned income and the ridiculously low taxes on it?Definitely an interesting idea we should start to consider
What about corporate taxes- or the effective complete lack of same?
How about subsidies to those very same corporations, extending them an effective negative tax rate?
Do you get all of your statistics from Fix News or are you really this ignorant? Serious question; not everyone is conversant about the American Tax Codes, they make them complicated for exactly this reason.
Unclebaldrick
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You get him Tty.
You are the expert on un-earned income. All you do is cash your families check or wait for your girlfriend in the parking lot.
Rob Roy
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So you're saying if I make you pay me money, but I provide you a service that you might not want or be allowed to buy from somebody else other than "government" without suffering a consequence it's okay?
Let's test that idea out.
I come to your house and paint it although you didn't ask me to. I then force you to pay an amount I determine and when you complain, I tell you to shut up and pay me.
You're okay with that, because of the "service" I gave you?
UncleBuck
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Name one tax you have ever paid without first consenting to it
UncleBuck
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i asked you if you could name one tax you have ever paid without first consenting to it
name one or never reply to me again, pedophile
Rob Roy
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Property tax. It's an oxymoron.
Also, if you're going to address a person, Poopy Pants, you should at least capitalize the first letter in the name you use for them. It's only right.
Rob Roy
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If a neutral person failed to pay you or "your government" money to do something you felt was a good idea, would you leave them alone or begin a process that might end up with killing them?
I like that you said stop killing people on planet earth, but I fear you don't really believe in leaving people alone. I would love to be proven wrong.
UncleBuck
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You voluntarily agreed to property tax you stupid pedophile