Feminized Seeds Question

Hello all, I have a question regarding Feminized seeds: Do Feminized plants produce feminized seeds. In other words, if you purchased feminized seeds and grew them to adult hood, would the seeds they produced also produce female plants?
 

Sativied

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If you get the pollen from a female and pollinate the female from the feminized seed with it you get feminized seeds again.

If you get the pollen from a male and pollinate the female from the feminized seed with it you get regular seed.

XX x XX is XX
XX x XY is some XX and some XY
 
If you get the pollen from a female and pollinate the female from the feminized seed with it you get feminized seeds again.

If you get the pollen from a male and pollinate the female from the feminized seed with it you get regular seed.

XX x XX is XX
XX x XY is some XX and some XY
Alright thanks man, but I'm also sort of a dumbass and so how does one pollinate seeds? Is this something you do after you extract the seeds?
 

TheChemist77

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I have a question about feminized seeds, hightimes always recomends useing reg seeds to find a mother plant, why? if i have a feminized plant that shows good vigor ,smell taste, and structure whats wrong with taking clones off it and it beeing my new mother plant??
 

Sativied

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The females start producing seed after being pollinated with pollen from normally a male, To create fem seed you need to get pollen from a female, which can be done by forcing the female to grow male flowers that product pollen instead of bud by treating the plant with CS or STS solution. Female bud is basically a cluster of calyxes, which each can grow a seed, if pollinated.
 

TheChemist77

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Also as long as it doesnt show hermy tendancys.. which i hear is a problem with buying fem seeds, although it hasn happened to me yet and ive grown out a dozen fems and not 1 herm yet.. noobie you dont pollinate seeds, you pollinate the buds of a 2-3 week plant into flower. put the pollin on the bud and with an 8 week strain pollinated at 2 weeks seeds will be ready when the plant is finished... seeds will rattle in the bud sacks when they are ready...
 

TheChemist77

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The females start producing seed after being pollinated with pollen from normally a male, To create fem seed you need to get pollen from a female, which can be done by forcing the female to grow male flowers that product pollen instead of bud by treating the plant with CS or STS solution. Female bud is basically a cluster of calyxes, which each can grow a seed, if pollinated.
ive used female spray with success getting a male branch, ive been trying to create a few of my owne strains only useing stabilized hybrids or landraces to create f1 hybrids
 

TheChemist77

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ive been sending the question to hightimes for months, no reply and in that time ive seen him tell 3 differnt people 3 different times to only use regular seeds to find a mother plant
 

TheChemist77

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The females start producing seed after being pollinated with pollen from normally a male, To create fem seed you need to get pollen from a female, which can be done by forcing the female to grow male flowers that product pollen instead of bud by treating the plant with CS or STS solution. Female bud is basically a cluster of calyxes, which each can grow a seed, if pollinated.
Ive also used the rhodilization method were you leave the plant in flower until it stresses out a male banana,but its very time consuming and i would recomend the spray... i has a northern lights plant that took 102 days to get a banana the buds were toast,worthless and the banana wasnt even viable pollen
 

TheChemist77

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Anything better than nothing wrong with it? high times must have a reason to only recomend regular seeds to find a mother plant, other than the chance of the fem seeds herming out what could be there reasoning??? please help me find the answer to that!! its driving me crazy
 

Sativied

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what could be there reasoning???
Running clones sort of defeats the purpose of running feminized seeds. While feminized itself doesn't have to mean more chance to hermie, the reality is that a lot of feminized bean makers are crappy breeders. If you're going to look for a female to clone, you might as well look for one from a regular pack. If you don't want to clone but still have only female, use feminized seeds. That "could" be there reasoning.

But since you asked about a specific example where you already have great female that happened to be from fem seed, there's "nothing" wrong with cloning it. (done it many times myself, if that helps...)
 

TheChemist77

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Running clones sort of defeats the purpose of running feminized seeds. While feminized itself doesn't have to mean more chance to hermie, the reality is that a lot of feminized bean makers are crappy breeders. If you're going to look for a female to clone, you might as well look for one from a regular pack. If you don't want to clone but still have only female, use feminized seeds. That "could" be there reasoning.

But since you asked about a specific example where you already have great female that happened to be from fem seed, there's "nothing" wrong with cloning it. (done it many times myself, if that helps...)
Thanks for the info,, but i still cant see how a reg seed female is any better than a fem seed female..That is if im getting the fem seed from good seed companies.. I see your point on if i was growing outdoors or something and needed to be sure they are females, to use fem seeds but even indoors if i dont have the time to be planting seeds and pulling males..I prefer buying fem seeds to save time and in my expierience they grow, smell, and produce just as well as a regular seed female would. I think danny danco needs to start answering the new questions rather than the same old 1's that have been answered 1000 times.. and if he recomends using reg seeds to pick your mother be specific and tell us why!! Sorry im blowing off steam,,, thank you for your point of view, but maybe ask around see if anyone has the real answer to this question...Thanks again for any info!
 

racerboy71

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Thanks for the info,, but i still cant see how a reg seed female is any better than a fem seed female..That is if im getting the fem seed from good seed companies.. I see your point on if i was growing outdoors or something and needed to be sure they are females, to use fem seeds but even indoors if i dont have the time to be planting seeds and pulling males..I prefer buying fem seeds to save time and in my expierience they grow, smell, and produce just as well as a regular seed female would. I think danny danco needs to start answering the new questions rather than the same old 1's that have been answered 1000 times.. and if he recomends using reg seeds to pick your mother be specific and tell us why!! Sorry im blowing off steam,,, thank you for your point of view, but maybe ask around see if anyone has the real answer to this question...Thanks again for any info!
umm, because danny dorko is a fucking nit wit maybe?
 

sacro

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I got my ferm nirvana WW strain on its 3rd year now just cloning them. Motherplant is gone and I just clone the clones with little to no trouble. Potency didnt change and the buds are as beautiful as ever.

Just started a white russian strain from amsterdam seed senter and doing the same here.
Dont see the problem :)

However, making fermed seeds from an F1 creates F2, which apparently isnt as good and can.come with problems. Wouldnt know much about it though since I never tried it.

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Sativied

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Thanks for the info,, but i still cant see how a reg seed female is any better than a fem seed female..That is if im getting the fem seed from good seed companies.. I see your point on if i was growing outdoors or something and needed to be sure they are females, to use fem seeds but even indoors if i dont have the time to be planting seeds and pulling males..I prefer buying fem seeds to save time and in my expierience they grow, smell, and produce just as well as a regular seed female would. I think danny danco needs to start answering the new questions rather than the same old 1's that have been answered 1000 times.. and if he recomends using reg seeds to pick your mother be specific and tell us why!! Sorry im blowing off steam,,, thank you for your point of view, but maybe ask around see if anyone has the real answer to this question...Thanks again for any info!
The mistake you make is thinking Danny (or High Times) is an authoritative source of info while the reason he says it is a lack of both knowledge and experience, it's not some secret he only knows. He's just parrotting popular bullshit. It's a grow myth spawned by hermaphobists and frequently parroted in the netherlands as well. There's a direct relation between clones becoming illegal here (no longer in growshops) and the popularity of fem seeds. Using clones makes fem seeds unnecessary. Breeders and especially those who don't breed but merely make fem beans are in the game to sell you seeds, they don't want you to find a keeper and clone it.

However, making fermed seeds from an F1 creates F2, which apparently isnt as good and can.come with problems. Wouldnt know much about it though since I never tried it.
That is indeed part of the problem with some fem seeds. Lazy breeders cross two plants into F1, then self or cross the F1, leading to and F2, which has the most variation, i.e. is the most unstable generation.

However, that is still no reason not to clone it, on the contrary actually, the best way to save an unstable pheno is to clone it (hence clone-only strains...) because recreating something unstable yet similar enough from seed is not that easy.
 

DarthBlazeAnthony

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That is indeed part of the problem with some fem seeds. Lazy breeders cross two plants into F1, then self or cross the F1, leading to and F2, which has the most variation, i.e. is the most unstable generation.
Can you elaborate? you didn't explain what leads to an f2. thx
 
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