Feeding during flowering question

So I think I have a girl that's flowering. I have been mixing an organic fish emulsion and advanced hydroponic 10-7-18 during veg. The dose for the organic is 1-2 tablespoons and the advanced hydro is 1 teaspoon. I have plenty of both left. Together they have all the elements a plant needs. Now that I have one in bloom I need to add some phosphorus. I was thinking about buying a high phosphorus guano and using it along with my veg ferts, but with a lowered dose of the veg ferts.

My question is, how much of the vegetative ferts to use along with the phosphorus source? I was thinking just shy of a half teaspoon of the advanced and up to 1 tablespoon of the organic along with a medium dose of the phophorus per gallon of water.. Does that sound about right?

I know it would be easier just to buy a flowering formula but guano is cheap and effective.

I will probably also add some carb to every watering in a week or two.

I think the first thing you need to decide is whether you're growing organically or not.

babygro said:

I think the first thing you need to decide is whether you're growing organically or not.

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Are you asking why I'm mixing organic and non ferts? I don't know, is it a problem? I think both have attributes and the Advanced Hydroponics has a lot of things in it like calcium, etc. So I was using some of it along with the Botanicare.

Everything is going well with the plants so unless I'm planting a "land mine" by mixing the two I was just going to try to get some advice on how much of the two to use while flowering along with my phosphorus, which will most likely be a high phosphorus guano.

Thanks.

I'm not so sure a choice *needs* to be made here. Many popular brands of nutes have (hydro/chem) feeding schedules that include an organic in the program. GH, Advanced Nutrients, Foxfarm just to name a few quickly.

VH....I would phase out the fish emulsion by week 2 of bloom. The added nitrogen given in the first 2 weeks should help keep the plant chugging through flower..and you don't want tons of stretch AFTER week 2, which is what high N levels and high temps (Summer) will do for ya. With this type of fert..N will stay in the soil and release slowly...so there's no need to keep adding it in at that point in bloom.

I would probably also go easy with the guano. The advanced N-P-K is fairly high as it is...and you don't need all that much more P to have a good bloom. Aslo keep in mind that a couple of doses of guano tea...etc will have a LONGER lasting effect in the soil than the hydro nute will. (it will be available/used up first more than likely) 2-3 weeks down the line is where it will show it's benefit. Just don't overdo it....

I'm guessin yer in soil. If so..use molassess as yer carb source. This too will help yer plant stay green/make it through flower and will offer the sugars the microbes in the soil need to flourish and assist the growth of yer bud.

good luck

bt dt

About nitrogen, I noticed my plant had some big shade leaves drooping. But the soil seemed really dry- I think she's starting to drink a lot. So I gave a little more nitrogen and extra water. The drooping was more likely out of dryness than lack of N. I'll slow the N down and keep the water up.

I have access to a 0-7-0 guano that should be good enough as a P source. The question is how much to use and how often? I guess there will be directions on the bag. If I really don't need too much extra Phosphorus then I'll go a little less than medium strenght for a while- It's a pretty big plant and she's really starting to have activity in every nook and cranny.

How much Potassium is needed though? The Advanced Nutrient has calcium, magnesium, sulfur and iron. I would like to use enough of it to give the plant all of those it needs without it being too much nitrogen- just makes it easy and I don't have to buy anything else. So if a recommended dose per gallon is 1 tsp during veg would 1/4 tsp during help without it putting too much N in the mix?

I'm not trying to be complicated just want to keep it healthy and not spend any more money if possible.

beenthere donethat said:

I'm not so sure a choice *needs* to be made here.

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Oh really?

Then why do some go out of their way to grow organically then?

Seems stupid to me to use organics and shove nasty chemical salts in with it - you get the advantages of neither and the disadvantages of both.

But as with everything else on here - each to their own.

besides the smell, what are the disadvantages to organic?

TheConstantGardner said:

besides the smell, what are the disadvantages to organic?

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The nutrients contained within organic sources are not immediately available to the plant and it depends a lot on the microbial activity of the soil as to how efficiently and quickly they're chelated into plant useable forms.

<<<Oh really?

Then why do some go out of their way to grow organically then?>>>>

I never saw this grower say "I'm totally organic". Did anyone else?

It looked to me that they were asking about mixing the two...not asking to be called out and told that YOU feel they need to make a choice. Seems to ME they already *made* a choice...and all they want is assurance/advice from someone who also USES these products to comment. I saw nowhere where they asked to be chastized and degraded for making that choice.

FYI CG, not *all* organic products smell.... nor are they all made alike.

good luck

bt dt

beenthere donethat said:

I never saw this grower say "I'm totally organic". Did anyone else?

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I never said he should go organic, as usual you twist peoples words and meanings.

I suggested he should consider making a choice - grow organically or not. There are advantages to be had from growing organically and disadvantages for growing chemically - I didn't see you explain either of these to him.

beenthere donethat said:

It looked to me that they were asking about mixing the two...not asking to be called out and told that YOU feel they need to make a choice.

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And as I said, he should make a decision to go one way or the other as at the moment he's not getting the advantages of either way.

beenthere donethat said:

Seems to ME they already *made* a choice...and all they want is assurance/advice from someone who also USES these products to comment. I saw nowhere where they asked to be chastized and degraded for making that choice.

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I never chastised or degraded anyone - I simply suggested he makes a choice.

VirginHarvester said:

Are you asking why I'm mixing organic and non ferts? I don't know, is it a problem? I think both have attributes and the Advanced Hydroponics has a lot of things in it like calcium, etc. So I was using some of it along with the Botanicare.

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I don't give a shit VirginHarvester - do what you like - use what you like.

babygro said:

The nutrients contained within organic sources are not immediately available to the plant and it depends a lot on the microbial activity of the soil as to how efficiently and quickly they're chelated into plant useable forms.

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thanks babygro.

Do chemical fertilizers inhibit this in any way? I ask because I used alaskan fish emulsion along with my chem ferts during veg. It doesn't affect my current or future grows as I've moved to hydro and am using GH nutes, but this subject has caught my interest regardless.

Again..he never asked for me to explain the differences to him between organic and chem nutes. It was plain to see he knew the difference between the two at the onset.

On the flipside, I saw you explain it to him...regardless if he needed that information or not.

sorry VH...I hope you got the info you needed in the midst of all the guano slingin'

bt dt

TheConstantGardner said:

Do chemical fertilizers inhibit this in any way?

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Why don't you ask Beenthere, he seems to think he knows everything.

Lets just take a look at this:

babygro said:

I think the first thing you need to decide is whether you're growing organically or not.

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That I use both doesn't mean I have a preference, just that using them together in smaller amounts has worked. I'm just not even sure why you would ask this question without giving me some reason why.. it's almost like you're setting a trap. And I've already said I plan on using an organic phosphorus source... So what's the advice here?

VirginHarvester said:

Are you asking why I'm mixing organic and non ferts? I don't know, is it a problem? I think both have attributes and the Advanced Hydroponics has a lot of things in it like calcium, etc. So I was using some of it along with the Botanicare.

Everything is going well with the plants so unless I'm planting a "land mine" by mixing the two I was just going to try to get some advice on how much of the two to use while flowering along with my phosphorus, which will most likely be a high phosphorus guano.

Thanks.

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So trying to understand and asking in a nice way if there's a problem with what I'm doing that might blow up on me gets-

babygro said:

I don't give a shit VirginHarvester - do what you like - use what you like.

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Grow up for crying out loud.

There's more than one way to grow good weed, I'm sure. I might want to get off the chemical fert and just mix a little of the Botanicare with the guano if it's a potential problem.. hmm, might be a good idea. It might be fine to keep doing what I'm doing.. who knows? Obviously I'm trying to find out how much to decrease what I've been doing from here. Seems like a legitimate thing and it's not like I'm arguing that my plant needs more N right now and won't listen to anyone else. To get upset for no reason is just silly. Even if you're not upset look what you typed.

VirginHarvester said:

Grow up for crying out loud.

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I'm done giving people advice on this site for some numpty to come along and jump on me for it. I'm sick to death of people jumping on every single fucking word I say.

I'm fucking fed up with it and I've had enough.

If you suffer because of it - tough shit - thank Beenthere.

Do what you like, feed it what you like - I don't give a shit.

babygro said:

Why don't you ask Beenthere, he seems to think he knows everything.

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sorry bg, wasn't trying to start anything.

damn it people, chill out. There will always be a difference of opinion on here and words taken out of context. I have not, however, seen babygro dispense bad advise.

I can grow without the aid of this board, and so could most everybody here. I would prefer to grow with optimum results through the shared knowledge here. I spend hours a day researching here and other places. Sometimes the answers aren't easy to find and I ask a question.

I still think it's funny to see people who joined in June and have 1,200+ posts and regurgitating info. I saw somebody post that "clones hate wet feet". WTF?

Anyways, piss on my previous question. It was a simple question and I'll find the answer even though it doesn't impact my grow. I am curious and thought the answer would serve to help somebody out there.

peace

TheConstantGardner said:

sorry bg, wasn't trying to start anything

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You didn't TCG, and it was wrong of me to have taken my anger out on you.

I'll happily answer your question in pm - away from the meddling fuckwits this site seems to possess in large quantities.

After thinking about it, a month or so before harvest I probably want to be all organic because as I understand it the taste could be better and less flushing is required, or not as crucial. I don't have any experience judging trich readiness. By the time I learn to focus this Radio Shack microscope they could be ready and I not have 2 weeks to flush, I don't know. I'm going to be easy on the nitrogen regardless. I'm not going to be using that much of the Advanced Nutrients chemical fert. I just want to use enough to keep the girl healthy and make sure she has enough phosphorus.

By the way, I hope she's a she.. It sure looks like a she.