FBI, DHS Classify antifa as acts as Domestic Terrorism.

Fogdog

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rkymtnman said:
you really have to look at what century you are referencing.

christians were terrorists, as were muslims as were catholics as were jews as were ....

i'm not a biblical historian but every religion was guilty of terrorism at some point along the way.
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Agreed. No religion, race or creed is free from the stain of acts due human ignorance. Dylan Roof could be as accurately called a Christian Terrorist as Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik can be called Islamic Terrorists (San Bernadino shooters). Both crimes were heinous and the perpetrators tried to tie their act to a religion that wanted no part of their actions. It's only because of our ignorance and prejudice that people so freely say "Islamic Terrorist" in the latter case and refer to Dylan Roof as a "troubled man".
 
Bugeye

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Fogdog said:
Oops. One might say your robe is showing.

Racism is the belief that a race is inherently better than another. In order for racism to matter, racists have the power to act against the race or races of supposed inferiority. I use the word racism in context of belief and power. In the US, racism is solely a mental illness of half or more white men and many white women.

One question I have, does support of US systemic racism by speech or deed define a person as racist?

I'm not aware of recent posts where racist was used in the manner you speak. Sometimes that word is misapplied, such as when @Enigma says something about racism against whites. That is false in the US. Probably England too. I'd be willing to debate England, where the biggest canker sore on that society is classism. We have had British post here that falsely claim the two are the same. White Australians who post here are racist as all fuck.
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To answer your question, yes, I think direct support for systemic racism is deplorable and racist.

So a hypothetical for you, two men are shot and killed on the same day in the same town. A white guy killed a black man for being black and a black man killed a white man for being white. Both admit this and plead guilty. Neither has a prior record. You are the judge, do they both get the same sentence?
 
Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
To answer your question, yes, I think direct support for systemic racism is deplorable and racist.

So a hypothetical for you, two men are shot and killed on the same day in the same town. A white guy killed a black man for being black and a black man killed a white man for being white. Both admit this and plead guilty. Neither has a prior record. You are the judge, do they both get the same sentence?
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Same crime, same motivation, same plea, to my mind yes they should get the same sentence. In reality, the white man most often gets a lesser sentence.
 
Bugeye

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Fogdog said:
Same crime, same motivation, same plea, to my mind yes they should get the same sentence. In reality, the white man most often gets a lesser sentence.
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So it does not matter that one was racist and one was not? Using your definition of racism.
 
rkymtnman

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Fogdog said:
Agreed. No religion, race or creed is free from the stain of acts due human ignorance. Dylan Roof could be as accurately called a Christian Terrorist as Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik can be called Islamic Terrorists (San Bernadino shooters). Both crimes were heinous and the perpetrators tried to tie their act to a religion that wanted no part of their actions. It's only because of our ignorance and prejudice that people so freely say "Islamic Terrorist" in the latter case and refer to Dylan Roof as a "troubled man".
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the sad part is that all of the wars re: religion are as absurd as you and i arguing that OR or CO are the best place to live.

btw, it's CO and i'll see you in the octagon if you want to argue. lol.
 
abandonconflict

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rkymtnman said:
have you seen those lame Tecate commericals with Sly Stalonne and Canelo (boxer) Alvarez maybe?
i watch Liga MX cause i like football and i'm hoping i learn espanol by osmosis. lol

how did you get to travel so much? i think seeing the world is very important before you kick the bucket.
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Currently I fund my travels by teaching scuba diving. I'm looking at the Pacific diving season already and flying to Thailand in a couple weeks.
 
Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
So it does not matter that one was racist and one was not? Using your definition of racism.
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They are both hate crimes under the law. And no, it doesn't matter to me if, under exactly the same set of circumstances and intent, a murder is committed by a racist or not. Murder is murder.
 
Fogdog

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rkymtnman said:
the sad part is that all of the wars re: religion are as absurd as you and i arguing that OR or CO are the best place to live.

btw, it's CO and i'll see you in the octagon if you want to argue. lol.
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I'll call you a liar safely on the other side of the cage. I don't deal with frozen ground for months out of the year. We get more precip in a drought year than Colorado does in a good one. We have the ocean, you have some big old rocks. Also, "Rocky Mountain High" sucks.
 
Bugeye

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Fogdog said:
They are both hate crimes under the law. And no, it doesn't matter to me if, under exactly the same set of circumstances and intent, a murder is committed by a racist or not. Murder is murder.
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But you are okay labeling one of those hate crimes as racist, and one not?

I'm with you on the equal sentences, but not sure that both killings were not racist in nature.
 
Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
But you are okay labeling one of those hate crimes as racist, and one not?

I'm with you on the equal sentences, but not sure that both killings were not racist in nature.
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I didn't say that. I said one was committed by a racist and the other was not. Using the definition of racism.
 
st0wandgrow

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Enigma said:
So, one race can use racial slurs but another race cannot?
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Everyone is free to use racial slurs. Where did I say otherwise?

Enigma said:
So, you're telling me that because of the colour of their skin the can't hate another person based on the colour of their skin?
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No, I'm not telling you that. Of course there are people in every race that hate other people based on the color of their skin. What I'm saying is that based on the definition of racism it's pretty hard to conclude that African Americans can be racist towards whites. Being that white people owned blacks as property, would not integrate with them, and still to this day have social and economic advantages over them, any hatred from African Americans towards caucasians does not meet the definition. Keep in mind that we are discussing African AMERICANS. I am certain that in other countries (certain parts of Africa perhaps) blacks are racist towards other minorities.

I'm only pointing this out as it relates to the definition of the word. I don't find racism to be any worse than any other prejudice. If a black man hates a Muslim just for being Muslim, that is no better in my mind than a white person hating a black man simply for being black. Both examples are prejudices borne out of ignorance.

Enigma said:
Are you one of Trump's advisers?
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No, but I'm about as qualified as the rest of his advisors and cabinet picks so I understand why you would ask.
 
Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
Everyone is free to use racial slurs. Where did I say otherwise?



No, I'm not telling you that. Of course there are people in every race that hate other people based on the color of their skin. What I'm saying is that based on the definition of racism it's pretty hard to conclude that African Americans can be racist towards whites. Being that white people owned blacks as property, would not integrate with them, and still to this day have social and economic advantages over them, any hatred from African Americans towards caucasians does not meet the definition. Keep in mind that we are discussing African AMERICANS. I am certain that in other countries (certain parts of Africa perhaps) blacks are racist towards other minorities.

I'm only pointing this out as it relates to the definition of the word. I don't find racism to be any worse than any other prejudice. If a black man hates a Muslim just for being Muslim, that is no better in my mind than a white person hating a black man simply for being black. Both examples are prejudices borne out of ignorance.



No, but I'm about as qualified as the rest of his advisors and cabinet picks so I understand why you would ask.
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Systemic racism is the system by which white people maintain their status at the expense of people from other races. Also Jim Crow and before that race based chattel slavery. Not to mention Apartheid. Racism is worse than "don't like small people".
 
Enigma

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If one person is incapable of doing something because of the colour of their skin that would make that a racist statement.

To say someone can't be racist because of their skin colour is a bit racist, no?

I mean, if someone told me I couldn't play basketball because I was white I'd challenge them to a game of 21 and show them how well I actually play.

The point is, it doesn't matter the colour of someone's skin, anyone is capable of being racist.

Racism isn't secluded to one race or another, it is rampant with all races, and with good reason.

My question to you:

Do you know why racism exists?
 
Enigma

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dagwood45431 said:
Nobody said the first fcking thing about capabilities. What are you on about?
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Would you say that the colour of their skin makes them non-racist while the colour of someone else's skin makes them a racist?

This has nothing to do with them as a person, just the colour of their skin.

Again, I dont know what is like to be a bigot. I'm asking you to clarify so I can understand how fucked up you are.
 
Fogdog

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Enigma said:
If one person is incapable of doing something because of the colour of their skin that would make that a racist statement.

To say someone can't be racist because of their skin colour is a bit racist, no?

I mean, if someone told me I couldn't play basketball because I was white I'd challenge them to a game of 21 and show them how well I actually play.

The point is, it doesn't matter the colour of someone's skin, anyone is capable of being racist.

Racism isn't secluded to one race or another, it is rampant with all races, and with good reason.

My question to you:

Do you know why racism exists?
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Do you just make up your own definitions? Nothing in your post is based upon the generally recognized definition of that term.

Clean up your post, make it apply to the real definition. By doing so, you'll answer your own question

The name of the game is Basketball, not 21. LOL You really aren't a US citizen are you?
 
dagwood45431

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Enigma said:
Would you say that the colour of their skin makes them non-racist while the colour of someone else's skin makes them a racist?
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If I were to, I should be directed to my local community college to sign up for a critical thinking night school class, so no, I wouldn't say that. Your thinking on this is shamefully naive, to be blunt. Have you led a fairly sheltered life thus far? Do you really not understand the difference between the "N"-word and "white soda cracker"? Even if you can't go any deeper than that, that should be enough for you to suss this out, Guv'nor.
 
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Enigma

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dagwood45431 said:
If I were to, I should be directed to my local community college to sign up for a critical thinking night school class, so no, I wouldn't say that. Your thinking on this is shamefully naive, to be blunt. Have you led a fairly sheltered life thus far? Do you really not understand the difference between the "N"-word and "white soda cracker"? Even if you can't go any deeper than that, that should be enough for you to suss this out, Guv'nor.
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You see, I'm not a bigot. So, understanding your logic is difficult for me. Is it the colour of their skin that makes them incapable of being racist or is it the colour of my skin that makes me racist regardless of my thoughts or actions?


abandonconflict said:
Not yet, still in the US, miserable.
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You could renounce your citizenship.

Are there any countries that have applications for fascists? You'd fit right in.
 
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