blissfest
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Never said I liked it, but it is fact. Try your little Farmers Market gig in Traverse City or Grand Rapids and see what happens to ya
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Never said I liked it, but it is fact. Try your little Farmers Market gig in Traverse City or Grand Rapids and see what happens to ya
Timmahh
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actually A farmers Market is opening up in Lansing end of the month, and one is being organized for GR as well. the Lansing one is a GO. the GR one in in working status.
Both will be setup identical to the Jackson Market and have the backing of the Site I Mod For. Yes it is hostile Teritory, But people want them, and they are legal per our Act right now. So Joe is Going to open the one in Lansing, and if he gets arrested, then hes in the mix like all the other patients and caregivers that are having their civil rights trampled on.
One of the Local Compassion Clubs will be hosting the FM. Joe will only be helping set it up exactly as the Jackson Market has been running for the last yr or however long it has been going.
Once I can get a few more Duck in a Row, Im planning on opening one myself. May be right here in Midland in Bull Schuittes home town, but its MY Home Town too.
Both will be setup identical to the Jackson Market and have the backing of the Site I Mod For. Yes it is hostile Teritory, But people want them, and they are legal per our Act right now. So Joe is Going to open the one in Lansing, and if he gets arrested, then hes in the mix like all the other patients and caregivers that are having their civil rights trampled on.
One of the Local Compassion Clubs will be hosting the FM. Joe will only be helping set it up exactly as the Jackson Market has been running for the last yr or however long it has been going.
Once I can get a few more Duck in a Row, Im planning on opening one myself. May be right here in Midland in Bull Schuittes home town, but its MY Home Town too.
420greendream
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We need a kalamazoo farmers market!!!
blissfest
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I hope it works out, I really do.
But dont ya think Joe should tell everyone, that he might be the only one arrested, but everyone there will have their info and meds taken, and put on a list you dont want to be on?
cheeswreck
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sounds and lookes like JOE cain is a money hungry person who is capitalizing off patients .dum ass thinks he is the new walmart of weed .people need to see he is leading them like cattle to the sloughter house ,a market wont fly in gr i dont care how much coffee blueberry drinks with the feds
st0wandgrow
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Timmah, you talk about compassion for patients, but wouldn't the compassionate thing be to teach these people to grow their own meds? You guys SELL people meds for a little cheaper than they would otherwise buy them at a dispensary, but that's not compassion. As I mentioned before .... by those standards, we'd have to consider Wal Mart a compassionate retailer because they peddle shit for a little cheaper than their competition.
Why not have fund raisers, use the money to buy poor patients some equipment, and then teach them to grow for themselves? THAT would be compassionate. I am personally doing that for someone right now. She's on a fixed monthly income, and has MS. She had a terrible experience with a caregiver, and has been spending thousands of dollars at dispensaries since. I could sell her some of my overages, but that's not the right thing to do. I helped her out with the purchase of her gear, gave her some cuttings to get started, and am teaching her the ropes. It has improved her situation in life beyond her expectations, and was very easy for me to do. A win-win. There's no reason Joe Cain couldn't do this very same thing if he really wanted to help people out, and didn't have an ulterior profit motive.
As it stands, Joe Cain is profiting off of the sick, and doing it under the guise of helping poor, sick patients. It's a very thinly veiled thing he's doing.
cheeswreck
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amen glad some eyes are open
gladstoned
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That is awesome, I am doing that with one of my patients as well and I would like to keep one of my patients slots to ehlp someone else learn to grow and get all their lights and shit. As far as the market goes, you guys are really wasting your time because Timmahh has never been to the market. It is utter foolishness that he keeps this argument going. You are on an entirely different plane than him. He has a small light in a corner somewhere, barely grows, doesn't know shit about growing and has never been to the market. One of the biggest ways you could support the market is by showing up! I came to conclusion that Timmahh is bored, likes to get high, and loves to argue and fight.
Someone that has never been on the care-giving or care-taking side of market, he sure is passionate! Personally I do not mind Joe profiting off market, they offer meds cheaper than dispensary, but to lie and act like we are fucking idiots and then to make a ton of enemies with people you are trying to work with isn't good politics - and politics is the name of the game that is he is playing.
Timmahh is ultimately trying to get caregivers to handle shit they way they should (I think), and from what you say - you are ahead of the curve.
Timmahh
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sure it would Stow. but what do you do with the Majority that cant grow, Or dont want to? or just cant afford to toss a few grand into a grow setup?
tell them to learn to grow/ maybe get a job and buy equipment?
If you would read, you would See i said, the Lansing FM is hosted by a LOCAL Compassion Club. Joe isnt running it, only helping those folks get setup so the Lansing FM is running as smoothly and legally as the Jackson Market is running. Difference is Joe is going to be at the Lansing Market, and he DOES expect to be Raided and Arrested. Hes actually Counting on it, against some folks suggestions. Look this isnt about money, Joe wont be making anything from the Lansing market, But i hope he is atleast getting some type of compensation considering he Expects to be arrested and taken to jail...
Stow. like ive said a dozen time already. the Jackson FM does not SELL any meds. they offer a place where Caregivers and work Directly with Mi Registered Pts and CGs . The caregivers that rent the tables at the farmers markets dont sell cannabis, they donate to other CGs and Pts. So again, you all seem to have this idea Joe sells cannabis at the Farmers Market and he doesnt, unless he has meds from his CG status to donate to other patients...
A fund raiser is a great idea. Alot of things need funding. but the 3MA isnt a Grow Site, it is a Political Action site. So they are focusing on legal issues. they are having an auction tomrrow, and all procedes and donations will fund a Legal Defense Fund for anyone that donates to it. This fund will be to help pay for lawyers for those that cant afford it.
But on a pesonal level i agree. I am working with 2 or 3 local Pts helping them get a grow setup, and keep it as low cost as possible. But one guy just may not be able to do it. Hes 39, and got Lymes desease 7ish yrs ago. its fucked him up. he can barely walk with a walker and holding onto the walls when he moves. Its messed him up terribly bad. Hes smoking upwards of 3 oz a month.
the CG he had he is divorceing (his wife was CG< but they never grew). SO hes taken plant count back, and im helping him setup a minimal maintenance setup. he just can grab shit and move it... but even then we are not sure how well he ll be able to do with it. I want to get him on an Oil regiment asap. but that will require an once every 5 days (if i get 5grams of oil per oz).
Think about it this way guys and gals.
Before Schuette went froggy last fall, how many dispensaries were around? How busy with walk in patient and caregivers where their? Do any Dispensaries give away a quarter pound a cannabis away to needy patients every week?
So now that dispensaries are closed (many anyways) where do you suppose all those Patients and caregivers find their meds now? I ll tell you where. If its not at a Farmers Market, its on the black market, where costs are higher, quality is lower, and the cartels are the only ones laughing all the way to the bank.....
Would you rather see 50,000 people just go without meds every year because they cant setup a grow, just cant grow to save their lifes, or cant afford the quanity of meds they truely need. But thats ok, they can just go without huh?
You all talk about compassion, but fall short when it comes to walking the walk.....
tell them to learn to grow/ maybe get a job and buy equipment?
If you would read, you would See i said, the Lansing FM is hosted by a LOCAL Compassion Club. Joe isnt running it, only helping those folks get setup so the Lansing FM is running as smoothly and legally as the Jackson Market is running. Difference is Joe is going to be at the Lansing Market, and he DOES expect to be Raided and Arrested. Hes actually Counting on it, against some folks suggestions. Look this isnt about money, Joe wont be making anything from the Lansing market, But i hope he is atleast getting some type of compensation considering he Expects to be arrested and taken to jail...
Stow. like ive said a dozen time already. the Jackson FM does not SELL any meds. they offer a place where Caregivers and work Directly with Mi Registered Pts and CGs . The caregivers that rent the tables at the farmers markets dont sell cannabis, they donate to other CGs and Pts. So again, you all seem to have this idea Joe sells cannabis at the Farmers Market and he doesnt, unless he has meds from his CG status to donate to other patients...
A fund raiser is a great idea. Alot of things need funding. but the 3MA isnt a Grow Site, it is a Political Action site. So they are focusing on legal issues. they are having an auction tomrrow, and all procedes and donations will fund a Legal Defense Fund for anyone that donates to it. This fund will be to help pay for lawyers for those that cant afford it.
But on a pesonal level i agree. I am working with 2 or 3 local Pts helping them get a grow setup, and keep it as low cost as possible. But one guy just may not be able to do it. Hes 39, and got Lymes desease 7ish yrs ago. its fucked him up. he can barely walk with a walker and holding onto the walls when he moves. Its messed him up terribly bad. Hes smoking upwards of 3 oz a month.
the CG he had he is divorceing (his wife was CG< but they never grew). SO hes taken plant count back, and im helping him setup a minimal maintenance setup. he just can grab shit and move it... but even then we are not sure how well he ll be able to do with it. I want to get him on an Oil regiment asap. but that will require an once every 5 days (if i get 5grams of oil per oz).
Think about it this way guys and gals.
Before Schuette went froggy last fall, how many dispensaries were around? How busy with walk in patient and caregivers where their? Do any Dispensaries give away a quarter pound a cannabis away to needy patients every week?
So now that dispensaries are closed (many anyways) where do you suppose all those Patients and caregivers find their meds now? I ll tell you where. If its not at a Farmers Market, its on the black market, where costs are higher, quality is lower, and the cartels are the only ones laughing all the way to the bank.....
Would you rather see 50,000 people just go without meds every year because they cant setup a grow, just cant grow to save their lifes, or cant afford the quanity of meds they truely need. But thats ok, they can just go without huh?
You all talk about compassion, but fall short when it comes to walking the walk.....
gladstoned
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So let me get this wad of shit spread out here...
Joe is helping get another farmers market going, expecting to get raided and coincidentally the 3MA is having an auction for a legal defense for those that need it. Hmmmm, wonder who's gonna need it?
This is like a fucking rapper having a buddy shoot him in leg so he gets street cred. lol.
Joe is helping get another farmers market going, expecting to get raided and coincidentally the 3MA is having an auction for a legal defense for those that need it. Hmmmm, wonder who's gonna need it?
This is like a fucking rapper having a buddy shoot him in leg so he gets street cred. lol.
st0wandgrow
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I don't have a problem with Joe Cain or anyone else selling meds and turning a profit. It's the American way. The problem I have is that they are claiming to be all about compassion and helping "poor, sick patients" in the process.
If compassion was their primary motive, and not money, there are better ways of going about this.
gladstoned
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Yes, we are on same page. As usual. (More important side note: My bubble bags should be here in about 2 hours!)
st0wandgrow
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Dispensaries have never been about helping the poor and sick. They are a for profit entity, and have never pretended to be otherwise. There's a place for them in our community, and they provide a service to people who can afford it, and are maybe in between harvests, or just want to try a few grams of something a little different once in a while. I have no problem with what they are doing.
All I've seen out of the MMMA site is all this talk about "compassion", and helping the less fortunate, etc. It seems to me that YOU guys are the ones not walking the talk.
I am well aware that Joe doesn't necessarily donate (sell) meds there, but he facilitates it, and makes a pretty good fist full of cash in the process. You have tried to walk this back several times, but at $50 to $75 dollars a table, times 25 tables, times a hundred or so days a year ..... he's doing all right. Why not take that money and set up a fund for people who can't afford to buy equipment, then offer free courses on the basics of growing, and maybe set up a sub-section at your site where these new growers can turn to to ask questions once they are up and running? I would have a much different outlook on Joe and the 3ma if he were doing something of that nature.
I just have a tough time using the word "compassion" when people are donated (sold) ounces of meds for $250. At least be upfront and honest and admit that you are operating a for profit model and drop the "compassion" schtik.
st0wandgrow
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Awesome!! I don't know if you caught my post in subs tutorial, but don't make the same mistake I made and put a lid on your jar once the bubble-hash feels dry. Shit went all moldy on me. My second batch has been left in a small glass jar WITHOUT a lid for almost 2 weeks now, and it is fresh as can be. No need for a lid, imo.
I've smoked hash before, but subs method puts that other stuff to shame! Shoot me a message and let me know how your first batch turns out.
Cory and trevor
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how many holes does your head have anyway???? you're talking out of so many sides of your mouth there has to be extras. if it's the AMERICAN WAY and you're all about that then WTF is with the whole hatred about using compassion and poor and sick? you can't have it both ways dude, either you're all about the american way (the american way is and always has been fuck your neighbor and make a buck however you can, the great cannibal of capitalism) seriously watch some fucking TV and tell me lies aren't straight up all motherfuckers sell on TV and any ad out there? wanna get thin? enter shake weight want some healthy gasoline enter BP's neat green logo and green ideas and greenn BS need a boner enter viagra and the happy motherfucker in the outdoor bathtub. all lies, total BS from top to bottom and all part of the american way. don't be a hater and say you aren't. that stuff bugs me to no end. I pass bilboards all over town "my doctor says its cancer...now what" call ###-####. it aint no fucking non profit free services that they are promoting its a money making venture to treat cancer. no profit no treatment no help no hope. that's the american way if it don't benifit me then fuck you i aint doing it. I believe in the american way the real one where if you don't make money you don't stay open. can't pay for groceries with smiles and hugs and fucking rainbows.
gladstoned
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I am glad you told me that about the lid, cuz I would have covered it to keep it fresher.
I am hoping that hash is much better, I wouldn't have bought the 1 gal bags. I popped a Blue Hash bean when I ordered bags, lol.
st0wandgrow
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Are you not bright enough to distinguish between a for profit model, where the primary motive is to make money, and a compassionate model, where the primary motive is to HELP people? They are mutually exclusive.
I have no problem with a person/entity out to make a profit. Have at it. Where the problem lays is someone making that profit under the guise of compassion. You can't claim to be all about compassion, and then have that person spend their last dime on the product you're pushing.
If you donated money to a charity, and then found out that charity wasn't really helping the people they are claiming to help, but instead were getting fat off of your donations, would you continue to donate money and just say "golly, that's the American way" or would you be pissed off and cut them off?
Speaking of holes in the head, you have two ears, and one mouth. Learn to use them accordingly. I was pretty clear.
gladstoned
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2 hours nothing! Mail was early and good today. No bills, just important equipment.
st0wandgrow
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I wonder what you'll be doing today??
Side note: Did you order from sowamazingseeds and were they able to ship to the US? There's a thread in subcools sub-forum where they are discussing that web site, and people are saying that they do NOT ship to the US. Is this true?