Faith Is as Ignorant As Athiesm
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TodayIsAGreenday
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no i know those are all fake
im agnostic when it comes down to the fact that christianity is a cheap rip off of many different religions and there are thousands of religions in this world, who are you to say that yours is correct and you without a doubt, know that, and EVERYBODY ELSE every single last one that dosnt believe in you is wrong
thats whats wrong with religion especially christianity because they think it is there mission to spread the word of christ
although what christ stood for is probably the building blocks of acceptable human interaction and what is considered "correct" in todays world
however, i FIRMLY believe that there is too many connected things, too many awesome benevalant wonderous happenings and sights to behold that it cant all be for nothing.
that there HAS to be some higher power out there, something, one thing, that connects everything
you could call that my god,
but by being agnostic i believe there IS that higher power, but i dont believe that any religion has gotten it right yet, or that they should work so hard at trying to understand it
because i am agnostic dosnt make me feel like pixies are real, or mermaids or devils or double billed duckbilled platipus's
thats like saying, someone who dosnt like predjudice people, is predjudice against predjudice people
im agnostic when it comes down to the fact that christianity is a cheap rip off of many different religions and there are thousands of religions in this world, who are you to say that yours is correct and you without a doubt, know that, and EVERYBODY ELSE every single last one that dosnt believe in you is wrong
thats whats wrong with religion especially christianity because they think it is there mission to spread the word of christ
although what christ stood for is probably the building blocks of acceptable human interaction and what is considered "correct" in todays world
however, i FIRMLY believe that there is too many connected things, too many awesome benevalant wonderous happenings and sights to behold that it cant all be for nothing.
that there HAS to be some higher power out there, something, one thing, that connects everything
you could call that my god,
but by being agnostic i believe there IS that higher power, but i dont believe that any religion has gotten it right yet, or that they should work so hard at trying to understand it
because i am agnostic dosnt make me feel like pixies are real, or mermaids or devils or double billed duckbilled platipus's
thats like saying, someone who dosnt like predjudice people, is predjudice against predjudice people
imtylerdammit
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natrone what your saying is as ridiculous as intelligent thought being ignorant. it is my belief that there is so higher power out there controling it all. dont know what it is. could be anything. not really interested in finding out what it is. if i had any interest in that i would have switched religions by now and joined the masses, or created one.
what your talking about with fairies and tridents, is pure stupidity. not ignorance. not intelligence. stupidity.
what your talking about with fairies and tridents, is pure stupidity. not ignorance. not intelligence. stupidity.
natrone23
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explain why.......just don't call names
imtylerdammit
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haha your not stupid nat, just all that fairy nonsense and harry potter spells is stupid.
or maybe im not high enough to go along with the comments you made...
Stoney McFried
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Pixies aren't a religion.
Are you guys agnostic when it comes to fairies......no your an atheist in respect to fairies....why because there no evidence that fairies exist...........but I could say well you could be wrong, there is possibility that fairies exist........so are you ignorant when it comes to your non belief of fairies..........because there is a possibility that
I didnt know Richard Dawkins was on Rollitup..........
natrone23
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God isn't a religion either
undertheice
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any discussion on belief is bound to have some element of sophistry, but to call it "ignorant" or "childish" or "stupid" is, in itself, rather infantile. our faith or lack of it is a major part of what defines each of us as individuals and an attempt to spread that philosophy through debate, no matter how specious, is only natural. we all know that there must be something beyond our day to day reality and trying to define it, through science or religion, can only bring us closer to an understanding of what makes the universe go 'round. of course there are no facts, one way or the other, when discussing the existence of a god. some may see such discussions as pointless and prefer they be avoided altogether, but it is our nature to try and argue a contested point to some conclusion.
we all need to believe in something and i believe i'll have another toke.
TodayIsAGreenday
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i openly admit that there is that 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000 chance that the christian faith got it right
im not stingy lol...
you didnt even use the word right
1 : not generous or liberal : sparing or scant in using, giving, or spending <stingy with the salt> <stingy employee benefits> 2 : meanly scanty or small <stingy portions of meat>
im not stingy lol...
you didnt even use the word right
1 : not generous or liberal : sparing or scant in using, giving, or spending <stingy with the salt> <stingy employee benefits> 2 : meanly scanty or small <stingy portions of meat>
Stoney McFried
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But he's part of one,and pixies are more fairy tale.In any case,I'm not a god freak.
Mr.KushMan
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Faith is not religion
religion is ignorant
religion is ignorant
undertheice
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is it so odd that life should exist in an infinite universe where all possibilities may be going on as we speak? billions upon billions of stars and planet, all revolving and evolving in their own particular ways, and you consider it unlikely that what we consider life should exist on one of them? that seem a bit of a terracentric point of view.
any belief, if held strongly enough, is going to at least attempt to negate the beliefs that run counter to it. two opposing theories cannot coexist, one must be wrong and if i am correct then you must be wrong. i suppose you can sit on the fence your whole life, never coming to any conclusion, but the all too human desire to find answers to our most important questions will usually sway us one way or the other.
no, but to call a person's closely held beliefs childish, whether you see them as rational or irrational, is rather childish in itself. any faith will use a mixture of logic and emotion to justify itself and who is to say that such argument is any less plausible because of the intuitive leaps involved? is it childish to extend reason beyond its normal bounds? or is it childish to taunt those who seek to understand what is beyond our reality with such mean spirited terms?
Kludge
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Richard Dawkins, I mean Natron23, got it right.
Who cares if it's a religion or how many people believe a thing; there is no critical mass for something to become true simple because x number of people believe it to be so.
There has also be a bit of the old Atheism-is-Religion non-sense reflected in the very sentence that starts this thread. Atheists are NOT trying to force you to believe what they believe, they just want you to think for yourself.
I understand this is difficult to grasp at first when coming from a system that forces a person to believe under penalty of eternal hellfire and damnation.
We don't say, "We disbelieve in 'God'." We say, "We don't believe in ANYTHING without repeatable, observable evidence." Saying we disbelieve in god is exactly like saying we disbelieve in a magical unicorns that dance around your head when you're sleeping that only you can see. Give us proof of either one and we'll examine the "proof" for ourselves and come to our own conclusions.
You see a true atheist is a scientist at heart and as such we aim to disprove what we believe and aim to prove what we disbelieve. Only by TRYING to knock down our own beliefs do we come to a logical, honest conclusion. The problem with the "faithful" is they believe without reason so CAN'T challenge their own beliefs because doing so would destroy their whole fragile card house world.
So, when you see two people and one is "faithful" and the other "faithless" then you'll know the believer is trying to convince the other of his "truth" without actually examining the problem while the rational man, the atheist, is merely asking the other to stop and think about what they are saying; to think instead of feel.
What you'll see a lot of too is just the shear frustration the atheists feel at the self-delusion practiced by the theists. It's like you and about 10% of the population are the only people that know Santa Clause isn't real. Even though you know everyone else knows it's a made up story. You just can't understand WHY people wish to delude themselves in such a way, but they do, and they are violently opposed to you telling them how stupid they are. In fact you might even lose your job if you dare speak your thoughts while they are free to babble all day about their stupid, bullshit fantasies as if they were fact when actual facts are staring the retards in the face.
Who cares if it's a religion or how many people believe a thing; there is no critical mass for something to become true simple because x number of people believe it to be so.
There has also be a bit of the old Atheism-is-Religion non-sense reflected in the very sentence that starts this thread. Atheists are NOT trying to force you to believe what they believe, they just want you to think for yourself.
I understand this is difficult to grasp at first when coming from a system that forces a person to believe under penalty of eternal hellfire and damnation.
We don't say, "We disbelieve in 'God'." We say, "We don't believe in ANYTHING without repeatable, observable evidence." Saying we disbelieve in god is exactly like saying we disbelieve in a magical unicorns that dance around your head when you're sleeping that only you can see. Give us proof of either one and we'll examine the "proof" for ourselves and come to our own conclusions.
You see a true atheist is a scientist at heart and as such we aim to disprove what we believe and aim to prove what we disbelieve. Only by TRYING to knock down our own beliefs do we come to a logical, honest conclusion. The problem with the "faithful" is they believe without reason so CAN'T challenge their own beliefs because doing so would destroy their whole fragile card house world.
So, when you see two people and one is "faithful" and the other "faithless" then you'll know the believer is trying to convince the other of his "truth" without actually examining the problem while the rational man, the atheist, is merely asking the other to stop and think about what they are saying; to think instead of feel.
What you'll see a lot of too is just the shear frustration the atheists feel at the self-delusion practiced by the theists. It's like you and about 10% of the population are the only people that know Santa Clause isn't real. Even though you know everyone else knows it's a made up story. You just can't understand WHY people wish to delude themselves in such a way, but they do, and they are violently opposed to you telling them how stupid they are. In fact you might even lose your job if you dare speak your thoughts while they are free to babble all day about their stupid, bullshit fantasies as if they were fact when actual facts are staring the retards in the face.
undertheice
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i think you either misunderstand the term "atheist" or the term "scientist". where is the experiment that might lead an atheist to prove that there is no god? mere logic fails us when we start to discuss those things beyond our experience. without some substance to apply a test to, any conclusion is merely conjecture. does a scientist say that just because he has no way to prove something it must be false? an agnostic may make the claim that he is searching for the answer in some scientific manner, but the atheist has already come to the conclusion that there is no god and the only way to do that is through a leap of faith.
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