Fabric pots dry too quickly.

MustGro

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I’m pretty new to fabric pots. I like that the roots air prune in them instead of circling the pot. I only use them inside for moms so I don’t find they dry out faster than plastic, but my veg isn’t too dry. I‘m sure they do dry out more than plastic in the wind though, but I think fabric is superior to plastic. There has to be more oxygen to the roots in fabric. It’s a bitch to get a big plant out of a bag though
 

Bukvičák

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I hesitated using fabric pots due to everyone bitching that they dry out too fast. I am starting some 5 gallon fabric pots for an experiment. I will run 5 plants planted directly into pots, I will run 5 others side by side. The second 5, I simply put a plastic "wal-mart" bag inside the fabric, cut out the plastic that is on the pots bottom and fill as usual. This inner plastic sleeve should stop sidewall evaporation. Progress report in 1 and 3 months will be given. :peace:...
They have their pros and cons but mostly they suck IMo. There is also a learning curve with them. I consider old school square plastic the best choice for indoor growing.
 

ComfortCreator

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I like the fabric pots. I think:

#1 you want a larger fabric pot than a standard pot.

$2 you want to begin watering ONLY the edge of a fabric pot, so that the water begins draining down the sides. But in small amounts, it wets the sides (wont drain off), gets the moisture level up. Then I begin watering closer and closer to the center/rootball. Fabric imo requires a slow watering over multiple inputs. I typically water a quart at a time into 10 gallon fabric pots. 2 rounds (quarts) within about 10 minutes, then a pause of 10 to 15 min before next round. However, I'm organic supersoil, so this slow careful watering is in part to not create runoff.
 

ComfortCreator

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They have their pros and cons but mostly they suck IMo. There is also a learning curve with them. I consider old school square plastic the best choice for indoor growing.
Dr. Who, also a highly experienced grower, agrees with you.

I think they are terrific for beginners and intermediates, but it is seemingly common for the pros to use more traditional pots.
 

JimmiP

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I’m pretty new to fabric pots. I like that the roots air prune in them instead of circling the pot. I only use them inside for moms so I don’t find they dry out faster than plastic, but my veg isn’t too dry. I‘m sure they do dry out more than plastic in the wind though, but I think fabric is superior to plastic. There has to be more oxygen to the roots in fabric. It’s a bitch to get a big plant out of a bag though
Don't remove the plants from the fabric pots. Just drop the smaller pot in the next size you are going to. The roots will grow right through the sides and bottom. Otherwise, they aren't that expensive, so, I have also just cut the sides (top to bottom) and pealed them off. Both methods work like a charm.

Last year I had two plants that were in ten gallon (square ) fabric pots that I just dropped in the 160ish gallon planters in my hoop house. Both grew to be monsters.
I removed the used bags early this spring and reused them at a friend's place. He eventually dropped them in the ground and now the plants are pretty freaking big too! I would imagine they are almost Swiss cheese at this point but we'll know in a month or so... Although,,,,,,,
When I dug them up (last time) there were large and small roots penetrating every single inch of the bottom and sides. After removing the old roots, the best I could, the bags were still remarkably sound.
 

speedwell68

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They have their pros and cons but mostly they suck IMo. There is also a learning curve with them. I consider old school square plastic the best choice for indoor growing.
I read all the hype on fabric pots and did a few grows with them and couldn't get on with them. They dry out too fast and the water was draining directly out the side of the pot, meaning I had to grossly over water to ensure that all of the root ball was being soaked. Also, they grow algae on the outside of the pot and they are a twat to clean. Wasn't keen.
 

Bukvičák

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I read all the hype on fabric pots and did a few grows with them and couldn't get on with them. They dry out too fast and the water was draining directly out the side of the pot, meaning I had to grossly over water to ensure that all of the root ball was being soaked. Also, they grow algae on the outside of the pot and they are a twat to clean. Wasn't keen.
IMo The biggest disadvantage is they run few degrees cloder than plastic. This may cause serious issues in winter times… but can be good foor summer outdoor. Watering is different than in plastic but can be handled with ease by the time. Another this is air pruning, sometimes good sometimes bad…
 

speedwell68

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IMo The biggest disadvantage is they run few degrees cloder than plastic. This may cause serious issues in winter times… but can be good foor summer outdoor. Watering is different than in plastic but can be handled with ease by the time. Another this is air pruning, sometimes good sometimes bad…
That might explain why I had issues last Winter.
 

Star Dog

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I think your climate matters with pot size and type, through the year my local rh% ranges from 75/85% humidity it's a constant battle, 4x 10/15ltr pots wicking moisture into the environment isn't ideal plastic is a better option for me anyway.

I don't let my coco dry the nutrient gets drawn right in on contact with the surface, damp/wet stops pooling through surface tension.
 

Bukvičák

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I think your climate matters with pot size and type, through the year my local rh% ranges from 75/85% humidity it's a constant battle, 4x 10/15ltr pots wicking moisture into the environment isn't ideal plastic is a better option for me anyway.

I don't let my coco dry the nutrient gets drawn right in on contact with the surface, damp/wet stops pooling through surface tension.
Thats crazy high humidity, assuming dehu is a must. I think there is a huge difference between fabric with coco and fabric with mix. I can imagine how they fit perfectly for bounded coco on automatic watering, but hand watering once or twice a day is already not so pink. If you want to grow and flower same sized plants in mix as in coco, you do not want to have bounded roots so it means you need much bigger pot. And than? You have huge pot staying wet in the midlle while on the sides your roots are already pruned as hell. When you let it dry completely your plants get burnt, when systematicaly overwater risking pH crash (in shitty mix also rot), when use smaller pot and get bounded your plant will suffer. Than its easier to use promix and treat it like coco. I can not say I have climbed the curve to the top, thats for sure not. But when it comes to fabric filled with peat based soilless mix, I was not able to keep big plants green till the end. Only with limed peat in plastic or coco. But this is most likely because I am still low skilled grower, there are other big guys who can definitely do better with fabric. There are also more kind of fabric pots, some are thicker and have more layers, I was actually using two types, one the simpliest one made from carpet or I do not know how to call it and second with two layers. They were claiming there will be water draining only from the bottom but it was fraud :cuss: Only difference was, that there were no roots comming through them. I do not know, I think they sucks but it mainly depends on growing methods and environment you have on hand.
 

GroBud

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Idk its that much of a difference I run plastic and cloth together. Same amount of water, watered at the same time. I'm starting to prefer plastic just because even growing organically the cloth pots are all but ruined in one grow. Maybe not ruined but personally I don't like putting a plant in a dirty pot after a grow cloth is hard to clean they absorb everything.

Plus I really don't dig the speed at which you have to water cloth to keep water from running out the sides.
 
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xox

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i just tried cloth pots up potted from 5 gallon plastic to 10 gallon fabric i had to water twice as often ended up burning through twice the amount of nutrient solution i was anticipating. im still on the fence personally. i used pro-mix as my medium yield was good hit 1.55 gpw with single ended hps with co2
 

ComfortCreator

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Thats crazy high humidity, assuming dehu is a must. I think there is a huge difference between fabric with coco and fabric with mix. I can imagine how they fit perfectly for bounded coco on automatic watering, but hand watering once or twice a day is already not so pink. If you want to grow and flower same sized plants in mix as in coco, you do not want to have bounded roots so it means you need much bigger pot. And than? You have huge pot staying wet in the midlle while on the sides your roots are already pruned as hell. When you let it dry completely your plants get burnt, when systematicaly overwater risking pH crash (in shitty mix also rot), when use smaller pot and get bounded your plant will suffer. Than its easier to use promix and treat it like coco. I can not say I have climbed the curve to the top, thats for sure not. But when it comes to fabric filled with peat based soilless mix, I was not able to keep big plants green till the end. Only with limed peat in plastic or coco. But this is most likely because I am still low skilled grower, there are other big guys who can definitely do better with fabric. There are also more kind of fabric pots, some are thicker and have more layers, I was actually using two types, one the simpliest one made from carpet or I do not know how to call it and second with two layers. They were claiming there will be water draining only from the bottom but it was fraud :cuss: Only difference was, that there were no roots comming through them. I do not know, I think they sucks but it mainly depends on growing methods and environment you have on hand.
You bring up all the facets good and bad, excellent points as are the couple of posts after yours.

For now, the pots thread the needle for me in all regards.

I am in home made supersoil, water only where I only topdress the same soil as needed. I used to pot to 7gal, but now do 10gal.

1. Frequency - I water every 3 days this cycle, I have done every 2 days in the past. Environment i.e. humidity has a huge effect on 2 vs 3, but your point remains. I went to 10gal to insure watering no more often than every 2 days and to provide ample rootspace, knowing the air pruning would occur.

2. Drying out - As a maybe intermediate level grower now, I find that I never have overwatering problems now.

3. Slow watering. THIS is fine for me, running single digit #s of plants...but anybody with a big op would be annoyed by the watering technique required -- water edges, wait, water edges, wait, water pot, wait, water pot, wait. It is probably a huge bottleneck and PITA for many. As someone maybe at intermediate level, I love the discipline it causes me to employ. I also estimate how much water they need before starting and compare my results. I measure runoff quantity, and adjust for future waterings. I can almost always fully control my input ans output (usually minimal or no output).

4. Ph stability and EC changes as it dries. Man you, and many others here, sure are sharp. That IS the issue, isnt it? And in supersoil, we are especially concerned because with ppms in the 2000-3000+ range...letting them dry too much is a potential issue. So watering while it is still moist is critical. I find it to work perfectly with a water only soil grow...but would expect most other grow styles to be less than optimal
 

Rozgreenburn

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If your growing soilless, you really don't want your media to dry out. Are you doing this experiment with soil or something else?
I'm a bit late on the reply, sorry. Organic super soil after 1 Qt. starts in organic pro mix. Water only with a floral tea added every 2-3 weeks. EZ!!!
 

Week4@inCharge

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I like the fabric pots. I think:

#1 you want a larger fabric pot than a standard pot.

$2 you want to begin watering ONLY the edge of a fabric pot, so that the water begins draining down the sides. But in small amounts, it wets the sides (wont drain off), gets the moisture level up. Then I begin watering closer and closer to the center/rootball. Fabric imo requires a slow watering over multiple inputs. I typically water a quart at a time into 10 gallon fabric pots. 2 rounds (quarts) within about 10 minutes, then a pause of 10 to 15 min before next round. However, I'm organic supersoil, so this slow careful watering is in part to not create runoff.
First grower with 7 gallon fabric pots and yes....they dry fast... especially when the ladies start to flower. In veg I was getting away with up to a week between watering, now it's almost every day. I push it to 2.5 days though.. and do the top watering, just enough to get it wet and wait till it soaks....then add a little more. I really don't like to water the sides much as that water goes straight to the drain, good idea if you can moderate that to a trickle. However, I think, or believe it's beat to soak the whole pot from the middle out to about an inch away from the edge...fill it just before it gets to the edge and let it soak. by the third or fourth go at it, the dirt is like a sponge. for 7 gallons 18 cups is about perfect.
 

morgwar

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I tried them for a few grows until one harvest where I mistakenly left the water timer on night before chop.
Examining the root ball and soil I found a few huge pockets of dry rootless soil in every pot.
I live in Nevada where it's extremely dry but I keep my rh at 48 min at flower
I use yucca and coconut water and the medium is Coots based.
Switched to plastic and finally beat my gram per watt average x2
The fabric ones work, but to me it's not worth the risk.
 
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