Eye Hortilux DE/LED hybrid system

OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Stephenj37826 said:
You may actually be correct! I saw this talked about elsewhere. I won't mention names but the other lighting company owner made that assumption. It is odd that they say DEHPS and LED systems seeing as they make Mogul based bulbs and florescents as well.
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Won't be long till HLG is using Hortilux boards in their fixtures ;)
 
ChaosHunter

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I imaging the amount of tooling and investment in making bulbs alone is staggering. Since bulbs go bad/out there a consumeable product. LEDs have a 20+ year life span "or so" among other advantages.
 
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ttystikk

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SoOLED said:
I actually ran this system back in 2015. I had a mix of cobs, and 1000k SE HPS XXXL raptor hoods.

I was still using the greentrees, cause the heat makes you go though water fast.

anyways, I didn't see much change in yield/quality. TBH: I would just run DE's; I still think DE's are the best for anything more then 10x10sf canopy.

when I changed to LED/CMH I thought I found a nice combo. IMHO, if you want pretty flowers a CMH will bring out color, dunno why it just has for me.


don't bulbs have the EPA deal expiring too, hazardous waste disposal fee due a purchase. its like $13 bucks. CA will like rape you for like $30 lol.

google it, ends this year. its for all gas(HID(FL)) type bulbs.



one more thing, find some magnetic ballasts, everyone is looking for them right now, bet tthey start making them again.
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Mag ballasts are garbage, it's a long step backwards in performance.

Low frequency square wave ballasts drive the lamps better to the point of being 30% more efficient. That's a huge improvement, one well worth doing the extra coin for. These ballasts are the reason why people are pulling such good numbers from 315W CMH lights.
 
ttystikk

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tstick said:
Another "problem" with LED technology is that manufacturers who put out specific models of fixtures that are tied to a specific type of technology (like, say, a fixture with a housing that is made to fit 6 CXB 3590s, for example)....a year after they come to market, no one wants them! And another year after that, they are completely obsolete because there is a new chip or a new COB or a new driver that's even more efficient. Anyone remember Area 51 upgrade kits? LMFAO! That's what seems to happen to most of the "dedicated" fixtures. Unless the user can upgrade technology as technology advances, buyers are going to hesitate to commit to a design.

Unless the really good LEDs can get down to the same prices as all the shitty Chinese lights, people will continue to buy the shit, allow it to break and then buy more shit to replace it. That formula dominates the LED grow light scene and has for years. This forum and this particular section of this forum is a tiny, tiny microsphere of people who "know better", but the greater portion of the market isn't us!
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The word is getting around fast about high quality broad spectrum LED, so I wouldn't be too sure about this.
 
Colo MMJ

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ttystikk said:
They should have spent more on their promo video.

Successful commercial facilities are using 315W or 630W CMH lighting, which nearly matches DE HPS efficiency on paper and produces much more per watt and the quality is better. Commercial facilities that want a cost effective stepping stone towards LED can and should be using them.

This is a desperate attempt to keep HPS relevant and those amortised production lines running for as long as possible.

I'm still surprised they aren't showing off any all LED fixtures. It's been years- WTF are they waiting for?
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Bingo from the Yoda Man.

The local grow store has some DE lower end Fantom model or something for about $325.
They are trying to keep HPS sales alive.

I want to get away from the heat and high electricity usage of HPS. QBs or a variation of QBs with COB and red lights is where I want to be. Maybe do 50% HPS and 50% QB in the winter.

The HPS bulb companies and Phillips are trying to do high output bulbs or CMH to stay in the game.
 
tstick

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SoOLED said:
The improvements are such as in a CPU; I’m still using a intel 2500k if you draw the line to its newest equivalent it’s not much slower. So with a new GPU I’m able to still use it.

The parallel is I’m still using CXB’s with newer QB’s. I’m sure all things being euqal they would be in acceptable margins.


You don’t need the latest-n-greatest; you need Good proper lighting that’s it.

I would say most lights now exceed people skill anyway. Like a car can be better then you are a driver.
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Yeah, I now have a mish-mash of lots of different lights, too....nothing at all wrong with that. But I'd rather have one light that can evolve along with technological advancements (which seem to happen constantly!). I don't really like the idea of trying to re-sell last year's grow light and give out my address in the process -just paranoid that way, I guess. So, I tend to accumulate grow lights! :)

I'm not arguing in favor of bulbs -in case I come across that way. I'm merely pointing out that bulbs allow the user to change the bulbs as bulb designs expand....ballasts are the same way....easy-peasy. Maybe when LED technology evolves to allow ANY user to "screw in" (so-to-speak) a new COB or a new board, etc., we will start to see more of a crossover.
 
ttystikk

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tstick said:
Yeah, I now have a mish-mash of lots of different lights, too....nothing at all wrong with that. But I'd rather have one light that can evolve along with technological advancements (which seem to happen constantly!). I don't really like the idea of trying to re-sell last year's grow light and give out my address in the process -just paranoid that way, I guess. So, I tend to accumulate grow lights! :)

I'm not arguing in favor of bulbs -in case I come across that way. I'm merely pointing out that bulbs allow the user to change the bulbs as bulb designs expand....ballasts are the same way....easy-peasy. Maybe when LED technology evolves to allow ANY user to "screw in" (so-to-speak) a new COB or a new board, etc., we will start to see more of a crossover.
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I jumped from magnetic ballast HID straight to high end Cree COB LED based water cooled modules. The only thing the Cree chips can't compete on today is price- but I paid the extra gladly, knowing that I was saving myself from having to upgrade for at least a few years.
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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ChaosHunter said:
My humble little 2 board quantum light cost me a fraction of what a next light mini cost.
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where did you get it?

ttystikk said:
Mag ballasts are garbage, it's a long step backwards in performance.
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false and true. i have magnetrons that have run reliably for two decades (with an occasional replacement cap or ignitor). they can be useful for decades to come as well... as cannon balls or boat anchors, lol. certainly not garbage, but a bitch with ac, cooled hoods, ducting, weight, vertical space, etc....

def not efficient but def reliable for long term use.
 
ChaosHunter

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cat of curiosity said:
where did you get it?


false and true. i have magnetrons that have run reliably for two decades (with an occasional replacement cap or ignitor). they can be useful for decades to come as well... as cannon balls or boat anchors, lol. certainly not garbage, but a bitch with ac, cooled hoods, ducting, weight, vertical space, etc....

def not efficient but def reliable for long term use.
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Ordered from @Stephenj37826 before HLG took over. 2 304s running at 175w max doing everything a 400w HPS could do.
 
CobKits

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tstick said:
Another "problem" with LED technology is that manufacturers who put out specific models of fixtures that are tied to a specific type of technology (like, say, a fixture with a housing that is made to fit 6 CXB 3590s, for example)....a year after they come to market, no one wants them! And another year after that, they are completely obsolete because there is a new chip or a new COB or a new driver that's even more efficient. Anyone remember Area 51 upgrade kits? LMFAO! That's what seems to happen to most of the "dedicated" fixtures. Unless the user can upgrade technology as technology advances, buyers are going to hesitate to commit to a design.
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anybody whos built or bought a system based on 28mm common chip size has an easy upgrade path for the drivers and heatsinks that will last them better part of a lifetime
 
ChaosHunter

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It starves the consumable market. I've had long conversations with my local hydro store an am trying to get them to put in a COB light of any make or model. I had to explain what a COB was as they kept thinking epistar. Bulbs, nutes and soil keep them alive and I understand that.
 
Stephenj37826

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ChaosHunter said:
It starves the consumable market. I've had long conversations with my local hydro store an am trying to get them to put in a COB light of any make or model. I had to explain what a COB was as they kept thinking epistar. Bulbs, nutes and soil keep them alive and I understand that.
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Sure. I would think though as the cannabis industry becomes more and more legitimized, customers/grower success will lead to just as many sales as fighting the heat of HID in a tent.
 
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