Markshomegrown
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Extreme Defoliation...
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steve870
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would be interesting to use the ssame approach on cannabis and find the ideal LAI for flower cultivation
mudballs
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The optimum LAI maximum to reach the yield potential is between 6.0 and 6.5 for indeterminate and determined cultivars.
cannabis is an indeterminate
Soybean study
...but keep stripping leaves peeps..science is just garbage right
cannabis is an indeterminate
Soybean study
...but keep stripping leaves peeps..science is just garbage right
steve870
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yes indeed. but soybeans naturally reach 8 -9 LAI mainly for light competitiveness against other plants, storage and other purpose not always usefull for production.
So some defoliation is good but not too much. I would believe removing leaves that are completly shaded by two sets of upper leaves is the most prudent and effective method. More cannabis research is needed.
mudballs
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With extreme trepidation i submit steve.
So some defoliation is good but not too much.
farmers plant soybean 125k plants per acre...mad production, competition? Wtf is that...plus they're slammin nutes too.
This is our sog equivalent, sea of green. Some phenos are perfect for it. Foolish to grow a bush just to force it into sog setup. But hey i dont judge, may learn from it.
I remove strictly to push around hormones, and i can do that by removing just 4 leaves..the top 4 fans leaves actually. This plant is playdoh, silly putty untill it sets into flower. I dont know much about manipulating flowering hormones yet during flowering stage. Im no expert, just wannabe
So some defoliation is good but not too much.
farmers plant soybean 125k plants per acre...mad production, competition? Wtf is that...plus they're slammin nutes too.
This is our sog equivalent, sea of green. Some phenos are perfect for it. Foolish to grow a bush just to force it into sog setup. But hey i dont judge, may learn from it.
I remove strictly to push around hormones, and i can do that by removing just 4 leaves..the top 4 fans leaves actually. This plant is playdoh, silly putty untill it sets into flower. I dont know much about manipulating flowering hormones yet during flowering stage. Im no expert, just wannabe
Samwell Seed Well
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One room, but not the room I'm going to demo, this room gets entirely defoilated
Samwell Seed Well
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Grapes are also LAI of 8.9 + and or indeterminate and benefits greatly from defoliation....
Manipulation of fruiting plants...
Been waiting to post his till the conversation advanced...wasteiod saw it a month ago
Shaded420
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Results
We found that pre-bloom defoliation improved berry quality traits such as sugar and anthocyanin content, whereas defoliation at veraison had a detrimental effect, e.g. less anthocyanin and higher incidence of sunburn damage
Samwell Seed Well
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Less anthocyanin...is bad? Good a.plant can only metabolize so much no/less anthocyanin means more something else...like terps and cannabanoids
It's just a pigment... and my lights have CRI rating of 90...not 100.
Samwell Seed Well
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The part he, shadey, left out... ffs you suck
This is literally exactly why I do it.. structure terps and vigorous growth... I defoilate twice in flower...
My plants at 18 days..delayed looks negligible
This is literally exactly why I do it.. structure terps and vigorous growth... I defoilate twice in flower...
My plants at 18 days..delayed looks negligible
Shaded420
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Sounds like it's not black or white, more of a grey area type thing. And I'm sure that it varies a lot between grapes and cannabis as well.
Samwell Seed Well
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I've done this to 30k plants...I'd think I'd have noticed bad results by now
Shaded420
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I didn't say you would, or that you did. You are really defensive and assume that everyone is attacking you. Relax a bit.
Samwell Seed Well
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Shaded420
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Sounds like a common occurrence in your life. You tried to post an article that backed your point of view, I posted a direct quote from that exact same article which contradicted what you were trying to get across and here we are.
Samwell Salted Seed Well.
Samwell Seed Well
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You think uncoupling is a bad thing... it has both positives and negatives. But I'll let you fill us in...
steve870
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i meant , plants naturally produce to much leaves but it's not really usefull for production. And sadly removing leaves on 125k plants per acre is not possible so genetic selection might need to head that way. Those results are interesting yet, might not apply to cannabis sativa or cannabis indica. With that being said, everything is better in moderation but defoliating too much is definetly not something i would do for yield. but it might be actually good for modulating certain genes.
Depends on the goal.
If you want 16 big fat colas per plant than that is a no go
Depends on the goal.
If you want 16 big fat colas per plant than that is a no go
twentyeight.threefive
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Samwell's two favorite words: gaslighting and pedantic.
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