EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

[Unclebaldrick]

Our local Bernie supporters have no problem with painting snow caps on the tops of mole hills.

It makes me a little sad. People who act like that tend to be marginalized in the political process after a while. Politics is the art of the possible - but it is also a scholarly debate - I get that. But you get to a point where you realize that the debate sometimes has to take a back seat in order to move forward. Maybe it is the difference between political science and game theory.

I dig their chicks though. And I would get high with Pad.

 

[Fogdog]

It makes me a little sad. People who act like that tend to be marginalized in the political process after a while. Politics is the art of the possible - but it is also a scholarly debate - I get that. But you get to a point where you realize that the debate sometimes has to take a back seat in order to move forward. Maybe it is the difference between political science and game theory.

I dig their chicks though. And I would get high with Pad.

Totally with you there. And I'd get high with Ty too though I'm done after one good hit of the good stuff especially at altittude. Just avoid the subject of Bernie and its all good.

No way we could have had the same discussion with wing nuts. Our Bernie supporters are passionate but they discuss ideas rather than beliefs. It might get heated but I can hang with it.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Totally with you there. And Ty too. Just avoid the subject of Bernie and its all good.

Ty too.

 

[Padawanbater2]

OK @Padawanbater2 (who is padawanbaiter1?)... So - just sticking with the modern era - the 1960 election was stolen... yet somehow democracy survived. And then Watergate... but democracy survived. Several faked wars ... but somehow democracy survived.

And the DNC is going to bring down democracy once and for all?

That is ridiculous. In 25 years, almost nobody will remember the DNC "scandal" and 1960 and Watergate will still be relevant.

TRUMP! could bring down democracy. He is exactly the type.

We have the illusion of a democracy

 

[Flaming Pie]

Dude, people make up their minds for many reasons. I'm saying that 31% of Democratic Party members did not just up and change their mind due to a debate question or due to some collusion with Politico or some six-month period where the media favored Hillary when the evidence is that Hillary received negative treatment compared to Bernie. Not saying it's everything Hillary has done or the DNC did is OK, just saying you are all worked up over a morality issue that and not an actual cause for Bernie's losses.

Of course I refuse to go down the path of objective reasons why people make up their minds. Inherent to the human decision making is subjectivity.

My discussion with Pie is an example of how subjective the whole process is. While I don't treat her very well, I've never claimed she was less able to make a decision. My differences with her lies in our differences regarding values, her belief that Hillary is some sort of criminal based upon years of right wing propaganda, her ignorance and fear of Muslims and desire for an authoritarian leader. We differ greatly on that. But I don't claim she's inferior because she chose Trump. That is where you and I disagree.

I didn't read that princeton study. I'll go back and find it, read or at least scan it and see if it is germane to this discussion.

Lol ok. I gave you some respect and you slapped my hand away. Lets be real here.

You think you know me? That's a laugh.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

We have the illusion of a democracy

Who put it there? We are humans. We do shit. The system is strong and strives to be great in spite of us. Call it what you will.

We are still on the same side.

 

[Flaming Pie]

I'm asking you if you think Trump's policies would be objectively good for the average Trump supporter or not

His tax policy lowers taxes on the rich and increases taxes on the poor. The average Trump supporter is poor. This is an example of a policy that is objectively bad for the average Trump supporter

Actually that is not true. He wants to lower taxes for everyone. He wants to lower business taxes so we are competitive with mexico and china. He also wants to implement tariffs. Did you know tariffs used to fund our government before the income tax? Are you aware that manufacturing in america is more expensive than manufacturing in most other countries?

 

[Fogdog]

Lol ok. I gave you some respect and you slapped my hand away. Lets be real here.

You think you know me? That's a laugh.

You never gave me respect. You allowed me to apologize. Not respect. You can apologize to me if you want. How does that statement work for you?


I don't know you, never said I did. I reported our discussion. Tell me what I got it wrong? Remember, I'm giving my perspective of what you've said, not what you'd say.

My discussion with Pie is an example of how subjective the whole process is. While I don't treat her very well, I've never claimed she was less able to make a decision. My differences with her lies in our differences regarding values, her belief that Hillary is some sort of criminal based upon years of right wing propaganda, her ignorance and fear of Muslims and desire for an authoritarian leader. We differ greatly on that. But I don't claim she's inferior because she chose Trump. That is where you and I disagree.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Actually that is not true. He wants to lower taxes for everyone. He wants to lower business taxes so we are competitive with mexico and china. He also wants to implement tariffs. Did you know tariffs used to fund our government before the income tax? Are you aware that manufacturing in america is more expensive than manufacturing in most other countries?

Bullshit. TRUMPS! tax cuts overwhelmingly benefit the upper incomes. And tariffs are an asinine idea. Tariffs sucked and I know more about international trade than you can read on Wikipedia.

 

[Flaming Pie]

You never gave me respect. You allowed me to apologize. Not respect. You can apologize to me if you want. How does that statement work for you?


I don't know you, never said I did. I reported our discussion. Tell me what I got it wrong?

I dont have a problem apologizing. What would you like me to apologize for?

I said I DID NOT need an apology. I said I would be nice if you were nice.

 

[Fogdog]

I dont have a problem apologizing. What would you like me to apologize for?

I said I DID NOT need an apology. I said I would be nice if you were nice.

I don't need an apology either.

 

[londonfog]

Actually that is not true. He wants to lower taxes for everyone. He wants to lower business taxes so we are competitive with mexico and china. He also wants to implement tariffs. Did you know tariffs used to fund our government before the income tax? Are you aware that manufacturing in america is more expensive than manufacturing in most other countries?

you seem like one of those who rely and get EITC. Have you asked yourself what happens to that with Trumps plan. Why select to be dumb ?

 

[SneekyNinja]

you seem like one of those who rely and get EITC. Have you asked yourself what happens to that with Trumps plan. Why select to be dumb ?

Don't be so silly...

Trump supporters don't think.

"I love the poorly educated..." - Donald Trump, Nevada, 2016

 

[UncleBuck]

what's the issue with voter I'D to ensure fairness?

it would disenfranchise millions to possibly prevent less than a dozen cases of in person voter fraud.

 

[UncleBuck]

If you want to start fresh with me and wipe the slate clean, I don't require an apology. I just require respect in the way you treat me going forward.

sorry, respect is earned.

sticking up for racism and fascism is not a great way to earn that respect.

plus,i personally find it exceedingly hard to have any modicum of respect for the incredibly stupid and uninformed, especially when they try to act like they have any sort of intelligence.

 

[UncleBuck]

You think you know me? That's a laugh.

we have no idea what you're capable of.

 

[UncleBuck]

Actually that is not true. He wants to lower taxes for everyone. He wants to lower business taxes so we are competitive with mexico and china. He also wants to implement tariffs. Did you know tariffs used to fund our government before the income tax? Are you aware that manufacturing in america is more expensive than manufacturing in most other countries?

tariffs are just a tax on walmart shoppers like you. then you will start demanding a bigger welfare check since the one you get now won't go as far. then you will complain that people aren't working to support the system as you sit there collecting your welfare check. then you will argue against increasing minimum wage so that your husband can actually make more than $12 an hour. then you will pop out another baby that you can't afford and spend even more of our medicaid dollars, WIC dollars, food stamps, and so forth.

our corporate tax rates are the lowest effective corporate tax rates in the world by the way.

you lack any grasp of facts whatsoever. you are not an informed voter, you are not even remotely close to intelligent either. you are brainwashed in exactly the same way hitler supporters were.

 

[Flaming Pie]

tariffs are just a tax on walmart shoppers like you. then you will start demanding a bigger welfare check since the one you get now won't go as far. then you will complain that people aren't working to support the system as you sit there collecting your welfare check. then you will argue against increasing minimum wage so that your husband can actually make more than $12 an hour. then you will pop out another baby that you can't afford and spend even more of our medicaid dollars, WIC dollars, food stamps, and so forth.

our corporate tax rates are the lowest effective corporate tax rates in the world by the way.

you lack any grasp of facts whatsoever. you are not an informed voter, you are not even remotely close to intelligent either. you are brainwashed in exactly the same way hitler supporters were.

None of that is true about me.

Not a walmart shopper.

Don't get foodstamps or any government welfare anymore.

I don't defend racism.

You are a troll that is only here to provide conflict. That is why you threaten, bully, and slander.

Spawn of Hillary, Begone!

 

[Fogdog]

"You can't vote for Trump! He'll subvert democracy!" :as the Democratic party subverts democracy:

Why is it a problem when Trump does it, but not a problem when the Democrats do it?

You must know who Noam Chomsky is. He's about as different in his politics from Hillary as can be but here is his discussion on Sanders, Hillary, Trump, why he's choosing Hillary and the real potential that can come out of the Sanders campaign beyond our vote in November.

spoiler alert: he's not excited about the prospect of Hillary as prez but he emphasizes the prospect of what Sanders and the movement energized can do after the election regardless of who wins the post of prez.

 

[UncleBuck]

None of that is true about me.

i have the quotes.

you argued against a minimum wage increase that would have given your husband a raise while on food stamps and pumping out babies on the medicaid dime.

i even have the posts where you call for people to get to work so they can support the system while you sit there unemployed.

you don't get to complain about unemployment or labor participation rate while you sit there and avoid getting a job.

Not a walmart shopper.

i guarantee your house is filled with goods from china, which would be subject to a 35% tariff.

you don't get that you are arguing for a tax increase on yourself and all other middle class families which buy chinese goods.

you are clueless and ignorant.

I don't defend racism.

again, i have the quotes of you defending racism.

fuck, you support trump. that is you defending racism right there.

this is not even in question.

You are a troll that is only here to provide conflict. That is why you threaten, bully, and slander.

Spawn of Hillary, Begone!

simply delusional and sad. you are brainwashed beyond all hope.