Examples of GOP Leadership

mooray said:
The group chooses the leader, you're just in the minority that disagrees, but that doesn't mean your leader is forced upon you, it just means you dissent from the majority, which is fine. It feels like your perspective is a bit narcissistic, thinking quite highly of your value and how society should conform itself to your wishes. In any group of people since the dawn of time, the rough majority decides the rules, more locally, and the rough majority decides who makes the rules, beyond the locality. That's just the only practical way it can be done, because it's not possible to create some rules for some individuals and not for others, since we'd need more people than we have just to manage this nonsensical individual rule handling. If you want to live somewhere where you get to choose how your surroundings are run, you'll have to go somewhere where you're pretty much the only person around.
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Rob is in need of a desert island, funny thing is he will lap up Medicare, old age pension and any other big guberment program he can leech off. If he catches covid he'll want that big government paid for ICU bed and oxygen, they all do.

After the vaccines come out of emergency use, the healthcare companies won't pay for stupidity and the unvaccinated will cover their own covid medical bills, or their family will. Stupidity will become a preexisting condition and Rob will qualify.
 
Rob Roy said:
If you want to live somewhere and insist on violating others rights, don't be surprised when people want to distance from you.
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The only rights you have are those the collective decides to give you and everybody else. The constitution is an expression of the will of the collective and the collective can change it with a 2/3 majority.
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
The only rights you have are those the collective decides to give you and everybody else. The constitution is an expression of the will of the collective and the collective can change it with a 2/3 majority.
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So when black people were enslaved in the USA, they had no right to run away until the collective told them they were free ?

The bill of rights is an okay document, often restating the obvious, but the constitution itself is not and was never the will of the collective though.

Also, the collective has no more rights than any individual within the collective has. I've proven that using simple math many times. So simple even you might grasp it. Might.
 
Rob Roy said:
Individuals make choices. If all the individuals in a given group chose the same thing, there's a consensus. What they chose can be good, bad or indifferent. The process of how they chose the thing, is separate from any intrinsic good or bad contained within the thing they chose. Yet a process itself can be bad. For instance, political democracies are generally bad, in the sense that they rely on force against otherwise peaceful people who don't want to be subsumed by a group of people claiming authority over them without their individual explicit consent.
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First, no group of individuals have ever all chosen the same thing, anywhere, ever.

Second, the vast majority of laws generally surround imposition onto someone else, so this scenario where you're just sitting there minding your own business and to then be "subsumed by a group of people claiming authority over them", doesn't really exist.

Rob Roy said:
If some individuals chose another person to be your leader and you didn't want that person as a leader, yet that person is imposed on you anyway under threat of force, the person is actually a master and not a leader. Sort of like gang rape. Sad that you like rapist tactics. Scary too.
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That's what the rough majority has decided since the beginning. This is where your narcissism is showing, somehow thinking you're special with rights that overpower everyone else. Sorry things happen in life that you don't want. Welcome to sentience, or, near-sentience anyway.

Rob Roy said:
If something is both practical and violates others rights, it's wrong to do. If something is impractical and violates others rights, it's also wrong to do. Stop trying to rationalize wrongful things.
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The problem is with what you think your rights are. Nobody's violating your rights as society has deemed them. The rights you're referring to are your own and I don't doubt that the rights you've created are being violated. If it's as important to you as you seem to convey, you should try to go somewhere where you can live closer to how you want, because no society is going to change their framework for you, again, displaying your exceedingly inflated self-view.

Rob Roy said:
My perspective isn't narcissistic or self centered, since it respects others rights to make their own choices, while your perspective disrespects those choices.
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Except the choices of those who structured society and the majority that want society a certain way, but sure, yourself the five other guys that think like you, I'm sure you respect their rights.

Rob Roy said:
I really wish you'd consider being nicer to people that don't want to support your ideas.
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No mirrors in your house I'm guessing.

Rob Roy said:
Threatening them with force rather than using peaceful persuasion shows a lack of compassion and might mean your ideas suck too.

If you want to live somewhere and insist on violating others rights, don't be surprised when people want to distance from you.
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Life is hard outside.
 
hanimmal said:
Im guessing it is a lot like those same states not allowing their citizens to sign up for Obamacare.

If so, my guess it is so Putin could brag he did that to the POTUS.
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i thought everyone had ACA access, they didn't have the expanded Medicaid access; you have to make at least $12k which is basic poverty level for ACA. if you can't prove you've made at least that you can't have ACA and without Medicaid you are fvcked.
 
mooray said:
First, no group of individuals have ever all chosen the same thing, anywhere, ever.
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That's not true, all 3 of the women in the hot tub with me yesterday decided to get naked too.

Also, even if any hadn't, they'd have been free to leave or watch or go make me a sandwich or something.

Why do you hate individual consent so much you construct circuitous arguments to try to justify violating another persons consent?
 
Rob Roy said:
So when black people were enslaved in the USA, they had no right to run away until the collective told them they were free ?

The bill of rights is an okay document, often restating the obvious, but the constitution itself is not and was never the will of the collective though.

Also, the collective has no more rights than any individual within the collective has. I've proven that using simple math many times. So simple even you might grasp it. Might.
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no rights according to the slavers who wanted a Bill of Sale and kept track of each- they were property. who else was going to build the South?

white men wanted to sit their fat asses on horses with whips..my question is why don't you get your fat ass off that horse and build it yourself.

that's why they had to make a deal..imagine that- sharecroppers which they stole from anyway.
 
Rob Roy said:
That's not true, all 3 of the women in the hot tub with me yesterday decided to get naked too.

Also, even if any hadn't, they'd have been free to leave or watch or go make me a sandwich or something.

Why do you hate individual consent so much you construct circuitous arguments to try to justify violating another persons consent?
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you're getting me jelly, Rob!
 
Rob Roy said:
So when black people were enslaved in the USA, they had no right to run away until the collective told them they were free ?

The bill of rights is an okay document, often restating the obvious, but the constitution itself is not and was never the will of the collective though.

Also, the collective has no more rights than any individual within the collective has. I've proven that using simple math many times. So simple even you might grasp it. Might.
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Slavery was the law in some states and the constitution was amended by the collective to give blacks statues as human beings and citizens. The constitution was amended again a hundred years ago, to give women the franchise and the rights of citizenship in 1920.

The constitution and bill of rights are collective documents, they were written by a few individuals, but endorsed by the collective, not a mere majority, who can make laws, in accordance to the constitution. The constitution was amended many times, the second amendment was just that an amendment and it can be amended away and will be one day.

If the collective makes changes to the constitution that you don't like, too fucking bad. Most people have different ideas about rights and responsibilities than you do. Liberty is freedom with responsibilities and limits, your rights end where my nose begins, plus 6 feet!
 
Rob Roy said:
That's not true, all 3 of the women in the hot tub with me yesterday decided to get naked too.

Also, even if any hadn't, they'd have been free to leave or watch or go make me a sandwich or something.

Why do you hate individual consent so much you construct circuitous arguments to try to justify violating another persons consent?
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Oh cool, the text equivalent of a sily gif. Your default deflection as soon as you're required to provide anything with substance.
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
Slavery was the law in some states and the constitution was amended by the collective to give blacks statues as human beings and citizens. The constitution was amended again a hundred years ago, to give women the franchise and the rights of citizenship in 1920.

The constitution and bill of rights are collective documents, they were written by a few individuals, but endorsed by the collective, not a mere majority, who can make laws, in accordance to the constitution. The constitution was amended many times, the second amendment was just that an amendment and it can be amended away and will be one day.

If the collective makes changes to the constitution that you don't like, too fucking bad. Most people have different ideas about rights and responsibilities than you do. Liberty is freedom with responsibilities and limits, your rights end where my nose begins, plus 6 feet!
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So until the collective told black people it was okay to run away from massa, they were supposed to keep picking cotton though ?

Shout out to Nat Turner, his impatience and all.


If slavery is taking the product of another persons labor, which percent of taking (forcibly) the product of another persons labor is NOT slavery ?
If you don't like my question, too fucking bad.
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
Slavery was the law in some states and the constitution was amended by the collective to give blacks statues as human beings and citizens. The constitution was amended again a hundred years ago, to give women the franchise and the rights of citizenship in 1920.

The constitution and bill of rights are collective documents, they were written by a few individuals, but endorsed by the collective, not a mere majority, who can make laws, in accordance to the constitution. The constitution was amended many times, the second amendment was just that an amendment and it can be amended away and will be one day.

If the collective makes changes to the constitution that you don't like, too fucking bad. Most people have different ideas about rights and responsibilities than you do. Liberty is freedom with responsibilities and limits, your rights end where my nose begins, plus 6 feet!
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Not to mention that, once the constitution was created, it's a contract everyone agrees to upon immigration. It's one we're born into, and are also free to exit participation whenever we want. Just by him being on the forum is pretty hilarious, when you think about all he's agreeing to, while somehow not agreeing to.
 
Rob Roy said:
So until the collective told black people it was okay to run away from massa, they were supposed to keep picking cotton though ?

Shout out to Nat Turner, his impatience and all.


If slavery is taking the product of another persons labor, which percent of taking (forcibly) the product of another persons labor is NOT slavery ?
If you don't like my question, too fucking bad.
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Sorry that humans weren't perfect from the beginning, nor are we today, nor will we ever be. What a brilliant expectation.
 
mooray said:
Oh cool, the text equivalent of a sily gif. Your default deflection as soon as you're required to provide anything with substance.
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Substance ? Do you have any idea how hard it is to satisfy 3 energetic lasses while waiting for a 4th one to bring in a tray of sandwiches? Fucking bread gets wet, mustard all over the place, little floating pieces of lettuce amid the flotsam. It ain't easy man!!
 
Rob Roy said:
So until the collective told black people it was okay to run away from massa, they were supposed to keep picking cotton though ?

Shout out to Nat Turner, his impatience and all.


If slavery is taking the product of another persons labor, which percent of taking (forcibly) the product of another persons labor is NOT slavery ?
If you don't like my question, too fucking bad.
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The question was about rights under the law as it it existed at the time in certain American states. Slavery was ended in the British empire in the early 1820s and the end of the underground railway was Canada in the mid 1800's.

It's like gun ownership today, if the law or constitution, or even the interpretation of the constitution changes, you won't have the "right" to possess a firearm or ammunition. Even if the constitution doesn't change, but the law does, if you are on a future government domestic terrorist watch list, you won't have the "right" to possess firearms, or fly on an airplane (no fly list).
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
The question was about rights under the law as it it existed at the time in certain American states. Slavery was ended in the British empire in the early 1820s and the end of the underground railway was Canada in the mid 1800's.

It's like gun ownership today, if the law or constitution, or even the interpretation of the constitution changes, you won't have the "right" to possess a firearm or ammunition. Even if the constitution doesn't change, but the law does, if you are on a future government domestic terrorist watch list, you won't have the "right" to possess firearms, or fly on an airplane (no fly list).
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When you use the word "right" in that context, you should say "revocable privilege" .

Until then, you will be wrong, and I will be right.
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
Rob is in need of a desert island, funny thing is he will lap up Medicare, old age pension and any other big guberment program he can leech off. If he catches covid he'll want that big government paid for ICU bed and oxygen, they all do.

After the vaccines come out of emergency use, the healthcare companies won't pay for stupidity and the unvaccinated will cover their own covid medical bills, or their family will. Stupidity will become a preexisting condition and Rob will qualify.
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While an interesting argument could be made by those who had money taken from them by the government, via paycheck extraction and monetary policy inflation (federal reserve theft) etc. etc. I won't be taking any money from the thugs. At all.

I'm a little hurt that you've implied I'm stupid too, could we get the collective to vote on that and then we'll have a better idea if it can become true?
 
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