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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I believe it is called forgery and is both a state and federal crime.

www.newsweek.com

George Santos fraudulent signature could be final nail in coffin

Those who served Santos' campaign as treasurers have been advised to "get lawyers."
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Fkn hope so,this clown was the last thing needed at this uber turbulent time,blows me away that he got this far,if that is possible how many sleeper agents are in this country if this guy makes it to a esteemed federal govt. position and the media has to step up to pop his fraudulent balloon. How many foreign agents are planted in powerful positions when backed by the ingenuity and resources of a state actor when this individual fabricated his whole history unabated? Is the New York Times superior to our vast array of intell. agencies?,Makes one wonder.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CCGNZ said:
Fkn hope so,this clown was the last thing needed at this uber turbulent time,blows me away that he got this far,if that is possible how many sleeper agents are in this country if this guy makes it to a esteemed federal govt. position and the media has to step up to pop his fraudulent balloon. How many foreign agents are planted in powerful positions when backed by the ingenuity and resources of a state actor when this individual fabricated his whole history unabated? Is the New York Times superior to our vast array of intell. agencies?,Makes one wonder.
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Why would they stop the republican traitors from swallowing a poison pill? Maybe some of the leaks and leads for the press came from them, acting as individuals perhaps. Santo Claus's day is coming and it won't take long either, he won't resign and will do his time in prison collecting a paycheck. If he resigns there is a special election and a democrat gets the seat, Kevin is down one and they are up one. If he just fucks the people of NY while getting paid in prison, Kevin is only down one, since he can't vote in the house from prison.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
CCGNZ said:
Fkn hope so,this clown was the last thing needed at this uber turbulent time,blows me away that he got this far,if that is possible how many sleeper agents are in this country if this guy makes it to a esteemed federal govt. position and the media has to step up to pop his fraudulent balloon. How many foreign agents are planted in powerful positions when backed by the ingenuity and resources of a state actor when this individual fabricated his whole history unabated? Is the New York Times superior to our vast array of intell. agencies?,Makes one wonder.
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Pretty embarrassing for the man who invented modern graphology.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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CunningCanuk said:
Picard showed an interest in Vash but after she deceived him, he realized that while she was sexy, she was also potentially trouble. I think he liked her but knew she couldn’t be trusted.

I don’t know if the writers intended to portray Picard as gay or not but if it was their intention, why not do it openly? Picard’s character didn’t show any interest in men, that I can remember so, if it was their intention, too bad they weren’t more open about it.

I get your point though, he didn’t have the sexual conquests that Kirk had. Perhaps he was asexual and married to the federation.
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Nah I'm probably wrong about it anyway.

It was a hunch but it didn't hold up to the reruns. My gaydar is broken.
 
Bagginski

Bagginski

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cannabineer said:
That brings with it an entire raft of problems. The cure might be worse than the disease.
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I guess the question is - as always - are WE smart enough, and clear-sighted enough, have we learned the right lessons, to thread that needle? Clearly, it’s a systemic deficiency, a required structural element for our system to function properly…but we are not super-beings, and we must reconcile their intentions by overcoming these material deficiencies.

Nothing is certain except that ‘honor’ is a non-operable concept when dealing w/ those who insist on treason; we are not forced by history or the moment to do WORSE than the founders did, but “these things must be done delicately…” for sure. In any event, letting the patient (us/US) bleed out for lack of treatment seems hard to defend.

Say this a bit ago, apropos…
 
Bagginski

Bagginski

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DIY-HP-LED said:
From the flow of the thread I though his concerns were motivated by the documents issue, among others. America has been using administrative acts, laws and the courts to cover holes in the constitution since the founding, amendments too, if possible. Nothing new with what he is proposing, changes and improvements need to be made, it's just that political gridlock, crazies and fascists make it difficult to adapt to the times. It's also why the courts have so much power, even when laws are passed, corruptly motivated amendments make them ambiguous or difficult to enforce. Abortion would not be an issue for instance, with federal law ensuring women's fundamental human and constitutional rights, it would cut the "conservatives" on the court off at the knees.
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I was addressing a much more central, even crucial issue re: the course ahead
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Bagginski said:
I guess the question is - as always - are WE smart enough, and clear-sighted enough, have we learned the right lessons, to thread that needle? Clearly, it’s a systemic deficiency, a required structural element for our system to function properly…but we are not super-beings, and we must reconcile their intentions by overcoming these material deficiencies.

Nothing is certain except that ‘honor’ is a non-operable concept when dealing w/ those who insist on treason; we are not forced by history or the moment to do WORSE than the founders did, but “these things must be done delicately…” for sure. In any event, letting the patient (us/US) bleed out for lack of treatment seems hard to defend.

Say this a bit ago, apropos…
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So much to say to or about this. I’ll restrict myself to a subtopic.

First, I may have misunderstood your original post which asked that national proceedings be conducted more honorably. This leads me to the history of trying to encompass honor’s roommate virtue, or perhaps virtuous living in a healthy society, by codification.

This leads to two different historical examples in my mind: the Pharisees and sharia law. While the common element is religious, that is incidental to my hypothesis.

The Pharisees undertook the comprehensive codification of personal and social conduct in what the translations of the New Testament I’ve seen call the Law. Let’s stipulate that the Pharisees observed reality, warts and all, and attempted to write a Manual Covering Every Possibility. It became a descent into fractally infinite detail, with fractally infinite instances where the rules did not work, leading to another iteration of expanding the code.

It failed hard enough to foster the emergence of a fairly radical offshoot of Judaism, one of whose tenets is the abolition of the infinite corset of the Law on the principle that (John notwithstanding) God is greater than the word, and thus codification.

On to sharia, or more accurately my not-very-educated take on it. It is a simpler codification with a different associated procedure: it defines a few moral absolutes, and brutally punishes perceived defiance of or deviation from them. The complexities of real human conduct are forced through the undersized door of the sharia code, with restrictive outcome.

Both approaches were undertaken with the highest and most noble goals in mind to improve the human condition (similarly, the architects of scientific socialism tried for the same ideal).
But the invariable outcome was institutional injustice and bottomless human misery.

At this point, I do not think good behavior can be effectively codified, and I saw your post as a call for that.
 
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PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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abandonconflict said:
But if you examine each of those, you can see that he has little interest them. The only time he seemed to actually show interest in the opposite sex was with the archeologist Vash on Riza. However, I would argue that the writers were intentionally depicting his interest as intellectually motivated as he had great interest in the antiquities.

Besides, it's not like Star Trek writers have ever shied away from depicting romance. Particularly in the case of captains. Kirk for example. Furthermore, it would have been an important depiction of a gay man in such a position in the 90s.
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Start Trek has always been pushing the sex shit, :bigjoint:. Alien sex, lol. I like when Data gets laid, :lol:.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
So much to say to or about this. I’ll restrict myself to a subtopic.

First, I may have misunderstood your original post which asked that national proceedings be conducted more honorably. This leads me to the history of trying to encompass honor’s roommate virtue, or perhaps virtuous living in a healthy society, by codification.

This leads to two different historical examples in my mind: the Pharisees and sharia law. While the common element is religious, that is incidental to my hypothesis.

The Pharisees undertook the comprehensive codification of personal and social conduct in what the translations of the New Testament I’ve seen call the Law. Let’s stipulate that the Pharisees observed reality, warts and all, and attempted to write a Manual Covering Every Possibility. It became a descent into fractally infinite detail, with fractally infinite instances where the rules did not work, leading to another iteration of expanding the code.

It failed hard enough to foster the emergence of a fairly radical offshoot of Judaism, one of whose tenets is the abolition of the infinite corset of the Law on the principle that (John notwithstanding) God is greater than the word, and thus codification.

On to sharia, or more accurately my not-very-educated take on it. It is a simpler codification with a different associated procedure: it defines a few moral absolutes, and brutally punishes perceived defiance of or deviation from them. The complexities of real human conduct are forced through the undersized door of the sharia code, with restrictive outcome.

Both approaches were undertaken with the highest and most noble goals in mind to improve the human condition (similarly, the architects of scientific socialism tried for the same ideal).
But the invariable outcome was institutional injustice and bottomless human misery.

At this point, I do not think good behavior can be effectively codified, and I saw your post as a call for that.
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Life is a fluid state, sometimes you can move through it the way you want, and sometimes it moves you the way it wants...how do you codify Actum Naturae, Manus Fati, Malum Fortunam?
 
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