Examples of GOP Leadership

DIY-HP-LED

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Nobody knows for sure but I don’t think trump gets the nomination. Also, I’m not the only one who feels trump is leaking influence;


Analysis by Harry Enten, CNN
Published 1:46 PM EST, Sun January 8, 2023

McCarthy speaker saga shows Trump is far from untouchable ahead of 2024

Kevin McCarthy’s seven-year-plus dream to become House speaker finally became reality early Saturday morning. The California Republican’s tumultuous journey concluded after six Republican holdouts voted “present,” allowing him to win on the 15th ballot with a lower majority threshold.

McCarthy credited Donald Trump for his support in the speaker’s race, and the former president was quick to bask in the glory of McCarthy’s victory.

Make no mistake, though: McCarthy’s struggle to win the speaker’s gavel is only the latest indication that Trump’s brand among Republicans has been significantly weakened. Trump is no doubt still a powerful presence in the GOP, but he’s very vulnerable in his bid to win the Republican presidential nomination for a third time.

Let’s state the facts of what unfolded. McCarthy was backed by Trump from the beginning in his speakership campaign. McCarthy trumpeted Trump’s endorsement, and Trump, in turn, made his preference well known.

It would be difficult to imagine Republicans defying Trump at the height of his power. But that’s exactly what happened this time around. Despite the many appeals from Trump, this year’s speakership process was the longest in over 150 years. It was the first time in a century that more than one ballot had been needed to elect the speaker.

To the point of Trump’s waning power, just look at the Republicans who delayed McCarthy from becoming speaker on January 3. They were almost all hardcore Trump believers. Of those who were serving in the last Congress, just one (Rep. Chip Roy) had voted to certify Joe Biden’s presidential win.

The lawmakers in this group who had voting records are from the very conservative part of the GOP. This is where Trump’s strength among Republicans had been most evident at the end of his presidency. Yet, Trump’s expressed support for McCarthy wasn’t enough to keep these hardcore conservatives in line.

These Republicans, it seems, didn’t fear Trump like they once might have. And when you look at the polling, that lack of trepidation makes sense.

Right now, Trump isn’t beloved by Republican voters. We see this in the percentage of Republicans who hold a strongly favorable (or very favorable) rating of him. Strongly favorable means you don’t merely like a politician, you love him.

Trump’s strongly favorable rating in a Fox News poll last month was 43% among Republican voters. That’s good, but it’s not great for a universally known politician. Ron DeSantis’ strongly favorable rating in the same poll was 40%, even though 16% of Republicans had no opinion of the Florida governor.

Trump’s strongly favorable rating is way down from where it was at the time of the 2020 election. In a late October 2020 Fox News poll, his strongly favorable rating was 68%. He’s dropped 25 points on this measure since then.

It’s not that Republicans don’t like Trump. His overall favorable rating among Republicans in the same Fox News poll from last month was 77%. (Other polls put his favorable rating with Republicans in the 60s.) It’s more that they don’t love the former president. At least not enough to scare Republican politicians into following his every word.

When we zoom in on very conservative Republicans (i.e., like the holdouts against McCarthy), the difference from where we were and where we are is quite stark. Our CNN/SSRS poll asked GOP voters (including independents who lean Republican) both at the beginning and the end of 2022 whether they wanted Trump or someone else to be the 2024 Republican nominee.

Trump started 2022 with 65% of very conservative Republican voters saying they wanted him to be the Republican nominee. This was way higher than Republicans overall (50%). He ended the year with 42% of very conservative Republican voters believing he should be the GOP nominee, not too different from the 38% of Republicans overall who felt the same.

A Monmouth University poll from December found very conservative Republicans preferring DeSantis to Trump on the 2024 ballot test.

The bottom line is that what happened to McCarthy and Trump’s inability to prevent a once-in-a-generation speaker ballot saga is a manifestation of what is going on among Republicans at large. Trump is no longer the dominant figure, untouchable by GOP voters. He isn’t even holding on to those Republicans who essentially thought he could walk on water.

This leaves the answer to the question of who wins the 2024 Republican nomination very much unclear at this point.
If he can't win the nomination, he can still fuck them by turning on them, he still controls 20% of republicans at a minimum. They fear him and he will walk his base out of the party, things are so tight in the states that not even gerrymandering can help them if that happens.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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If he can't win the nomination, he can still fuck them by turning on them, he still controls 20% of republicans at a minimum. They fear him and he will walk his base out of the party, things are so tight in the states that not even gerrymandering can help them if that happens.
that's what i've been hoping for this whole time. that would fuck the republicans so hard they'd bleed, and they'd be doing it to themselves.
that's the only reason i've not flipped fucking shit about him not being indicted yet...of course, no one gives a fuck if i flip, but that's the reason i haven't...yet.
because if trump and the whole sedition carcass doesn't get indicted, then this entire country has ALREADY turned into a piece of shit not worth saving. Indeed, at that point, open warfare in the streets would be the only fucking way to save it, and i'm not sure it would be worth the effort, i would just immigrate to...fuck, any goddamn where would be better. fucking Haiti after a hurricane would be an improvement to an America that lets those miserable motherfuckers get away with it
 

cannabineer

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that's what i've been hoping for this whole time. that would fuck the republicans so hard they'd bleed, and they'd be doing it to themselves.
that's the only reason i've not flipped fucking shit about him not being indicted yet...of course, no one gives a fuck if i flip, but that's the reason i haven't...yet.
because if trump and the whole sedition carcass doesn't get indicted, then this entire country has ALREADY turned into a piece of shit not worth saving. Indeed, at that point, open warfare in the streets would be the only fucking way to save it, and i'm not sure it would be worth the effort, i would just immigrate to...fuck, any goddamn where would be better. fucking Haiti after a hurricane would be an improvement to an America that lets those miserable motherfuckers get away with it
to your last sentence: no. Really not.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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that's what i've been hoping for this whole time. that would fuck the republicans so hard they'd bleed, and they'd be doing it to themselves.
that's the only reason i've not flipped fucking shit about him not being indicted yet...of course, no one gives a fuck if i flip, but that's the reason i haven't...yet.
because if trump and the whole sedition carcass doesn't get indicted, then this entire country has ALREADY turned into a piece of shit not worth saving. Indeed, at that point, open warfare in the streets would be the only fucking way to save it, and i'm not sure it would be worth the effort, i would just immigrate to...fuck, any goddamn where would be better. fucking Haiti after a hurricane would be an improvement to an America that lets those miserable motherfuckers get away with it
It will sure be interesting when he is indicted or looks like he will be, then the shit will hit the fan, Donald will demand loyalty and the republicans had better hope the judge locks him up upon indictment pending trial. Having him run around loose with an indictment and trial date hanging over his head concerning the secret documents will but a blow torch to the magats in the house! :lol: That and Jack with solid cases against some of them on house committees, Jack must be squeezing Mark Meadows nuts into pulp or has already.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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to your last sentence: no. Really not.
well, no of course it wouldn't be, and i wouldn't abandon the country, either...but SOMETHING needs to start happening, because it sure as fuck seems like the thieves are laughing at the cops, who are purposely ignoring them.
patience wore thin a year ago. i realize that shit takes time, but they've had two fucking years and at least one case, the documents case, that would have landed ANYONE ELSE in a cell the same fucking day they searched their house.
i'm having a harder and harder time believing anything is going to happen to any of them.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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well, no of course it wouldn't be, and i wouldn't abandon the country, either...but SOMETHING needs to start happening, because it sure as fuck seems like the thieves are laughing at the cops, who are purposely ignoring them.
patience wore thin a year ago. i realize that shit takes time, but they've had two fucking years and at least one case, the documents case, that would have landed ANYONE ELSE in a cell the same fucking day they searched their house.
i'm having a harder and harder time believing anything is going to happen to any of them.
If by spring nothing does happen, without some kind of reason or explanation they will have demonstrations in DC and they will be mostly by lawyers. As I said, Jack ain't wasting his time coming back to America to deal with this shit and neither are the talented lawyers he is recruiting. There have been no leaks or resignations from the DOJ, so that should tell you something, the place is full of people like Glenn Kirschner who want their asses, all their asses. We have seen many DOJ alumni on TV and all sing the same song, many were frustrated, but there are far fewer of them now.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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This shit is getting to stretched out imo.....they should have arrested the orange avenger as soon as J6 happened and for sedition right off the bat.....but nooooooooooo

guess time will tell
J6 was a massive hub and spoke conspiracy with a lot of moving parts, schemes and plots, none of which would work without inside help from congress people who were part of the conspiracy. Political considerations and election cycles come into play too for any justice to be done. We are about to witness an epic fight between the DOJ and house over investigations, as the DOJ is taking down republican congress people starting with Santos, one down, perhaps a dozen or two more to go. It only takes a few seats to whittle Kevin's majority away, one seat and indictment at a time. When Trump is indicted things could get interesting and Mark Meadows cooperating with his phone and computers could doom many in congress. Their votes to delay certification after the insurrection was in furtherance of a conspiracy, that many of them were aware of and participated in. 2023 won't be a boring political and legal year, that much is for sure. ;-)
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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If by spring nothing does happen, without some kind of reason or explanation they will have demonstrations in DC and they will be mostly by lawyers. As I said, Jack ain't wasting his time coming back to America to deal with this shit and neither are the talented lawyers he is recruiting. There have been no leaks or resignations from the DOJ, so that should tell you something, the place is full of people like Glenn Kirschner who want their asses, all their asses. We have seen many DOJ alumni on TV and all sing the same song, many were frustrated, but there are far fewer of them now.
i sincerely hope so, because if those people don't get punished for what they did, they'll do it again. they're already getting set up to try more shit...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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i sincerely hope so, because if those people don't get punished for what they did, they'll do it again. they're already getting set up to try more shit...
Politics is important here too, the weak republican position in the house will make them more aggressive. I think Jack will end up having many of them by the balls, it depends on the Gospel of Mark and to squeal is the only way out and there is no way his lawyer advised him otherwise. Think about it, if anybody can get a sweet deal it would be Mark, depending on how many political heads he delivered and they won't really need him for Trump, but will get it as a bonus. I think some republicans are gonna be sweating bullets when Donald goes down over the docs, Mark helped him steal them after all. ;-)
 

BudmanTX

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J6 was a massive hub and spoke conspiracy with a lot of moving parts, schemes and plots, none of which would work without inside help from congress people who were part of the conspiracy. Political considerations and election cycles come into play too for any justice to be done. We are about to witness an epic fight between the DOJ and house over investigations, as the DOJ is taking down republican congress people starting with Santos, one down, perhaps a dozen or two more to go. It only takes a few seats to whittle Kevin's majority away, one seat and indictment at a time. When Trump is indicted things could get interesting and Mark Meadows cooperating with his phone and computers could doom many in congress. Their votes to delay certification after the insurrection was in furtherance of a conspiracy, that many of them were aware of and participated in. 2023 won't be a boring political and legal year, that much is for sure. ;-)
hope so.......

i realize the people are trying to do this by the book as it were........but those 20 inssurectionist extremist need to go down in flames, and they should have been the same as i mentioned before with the orange avenger....as soon as it happen...here come the cuffs.....prove yourself innocent, you all under arrest for sedition, better get a good lawyer.....
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
well, no of course it wouldn't be, and i wouldn't abandon the country, either...but SOMETHING needs to start happening, because it sure as fuck seems like the thieves are laughing at the cops, who are purposely ignoring them.
patience wore thin a year ago. i realize that shit takes time, but they've had two fucking years and at least one case, the documents case, that would have landed ANYONE ELSE in a cell the same fucking day they searched their house.
i'm having a harder and harder time believing anything is going to happen to any of them.
By my display on the other thread, you can conclude I harbor similar sentiments.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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hope so.......

i realize the people are trying to do this by the book as it were........but those 20 inssurectionist extremist need to go down in flames, and they should have been the same as i mentioned before with the orange avenger....as soon as it happen...here come the cuffs.....prove yourself innocent, you all under arrest for sedition, better get a good lawyer.....
If the republicans had won the house and senate the DOJ would be in a different world and prepared for the onslaught. Now with a very weak house majority and McCarthy hanging on by his teeth and some of his members like Santos and Perry already looking at indictments and others at extreme risk, the DOJ can be bolder. Garland never let Jack out of the bag until after the midterms and that means he can go wherever the evidence leads. They have no fear of this GOP house, the last place these assholes want to be is in a court with the DOJ filings containing compromising information on them and why their motion or subpoena is bogus etc and should not be upheld by the court. Go ahead and try to use the courts against the DOJ with themselves up to their eyeballs in the shit they are investigating, see what the response will be in public court filings, just like Mar A Largo with it's pictures and details. ;-)
 

DIY-HP-LED

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unfortunately a dream …

Maybe he will stroke out whenever they actually FAT CUFF him.

i totally would be doing this ……

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No way, I wanna see his TV trial in Georgia, preferably while he is in federal custody. Georgia official's and perhaps even Mark Meadows could be testifying against him to his face on TV, refuting the big lie, among other things. If Jack flips and pleads Mark for conspiracy a lot of people in the GOP congress will be sweating bullets, he won't need to deal much for Donald over the docs, congress people and government officials over J6 are another matter.
 
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