cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
How do you deduce that the people of Russia want an autocracy?
Examples of GOP Leadership
- Thread starter injinji
- Start date
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
Not want, deserve, from the famous quote. Only a third want autocracy and a third are opposed, the other third doesn't know if its asshole is punched or bored, it's the same all over. When more people are willing to act and vote for autocracy than opposite it or sit idly by while it destroys democracy, they will have autocracy, whether they want it or not or think they are getting some kind of whites only welfare state. Hitler only got a third of the vote in 1933, but he took the rest and in 1933 Hitler was a lot more electable and presentable than Trump, it took an economic collapse to do it in Germany.
In 2014 America had a good economy and it's the same today, in spite of inflation and gas prices, both beyond the governments control. There are no real seeds of economic discontent the government is responsible, got things done and unemployment is at historic lows. The polling on issues like guns, abortion and a host of other issues heavily favor the democrat's policies, but strangely the political polls are close and at odds with the polls on the issues.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
You make it sound like the Russian voter had a choice. Want/deserve sounds like a distinction without a difference but for the addition of sanctimony.
Also, the people who vote maga are being told day and night that they are the vigilant patriots standing between now and autocracy. That rather kicks a hole in the “deserve” judgment from a different direction. They are being effectively manipulated by pros.
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
I'm still trying to figure out what a cold civil war is.
I don't know what that is but I don't think I deserve it any more than I and the majority of the US deserve the kind of government you say we deserve. I also think you are once again exaggerating the situation. I'm pretty sure the majority of the voters in the US will vote for Democrats. We'll lose the House because of gerrymandering and other anti democratic actions taken by Republicans. Maybe even the Senate because the Constitution skews representation in the Senate toward smaller states the these days happen to be red. We'll still have enough Democrats in Congress to sustain Biden's vetoes of Republican bad bills. It's going to suck the next two years but it's not going to be as dire as you say.
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
I didn't make up the quote, but it is trotted out every time an electorate is about to do something stupid, like elect Trump for instance. It's an old English political quote, so it will sound kinda sanctimonious. Some Americans have no idea of how their government works, others are caught up in information silos and become dupes, but there are those among them who are white nationalists, fascist, Nazis or whatever label you want to put on them. Some of those vigilant patriots are at war with their fellow citizens, to deny it would be to deny the systemic racism in America or the political experience of the American south. Indeed, you have seen the spread of methods of voter suppression and cheating common in the south, but now applied to gerrymandered districts and groups identified through polling and big data.
However, we are getting better at this liberal democracy stuff. Before WW2 there was widespread discrimination against Catholics and separate education systems here in NS. Back in the day religion counted and even JFK had political problems because of religious bigotry, even though he was white as snow. The KKKs hate list once also included Jews and Catholics too. Now religion doesn't matter much and is less a cause of social division, however other forms of bigotry exist and some politicans still pander to it.
Last edited:
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
As I said, it's more of a psychological state of mind and political tactic, it only descends into violence around the edges. The idea is to seize the levers of power, in this case the presidency and the congress. Then they would use the power of the state against their political opponents and to retain power, like Putin did. They need the courts in America and Putin sometimes has trouble with them in Russia, but he has a Duma that does whatever he wants. They have the form of liberal democratic government, but not the substance, in America that substance appears to be eroding away. One of Putin's methods was and is to flood the zone with bullshit so that it hid the truth and confused the weak minded at home and abroad. I see the same general thing happening in America and by extension here.
Offmymeds
Well-Known Member
I lived in KY until I was 15. We were a Catholic family of 7 in western KY. Plenty of bigotry, misogyny, and hate for all there.
We had a neighbor throw a rock at our car as we drove by. We were on our way to church so all 7 were in the car. The funny part is that he threw it so hard that it bounced off the car and struck him in the face. He sued my dad claiming he threw the rock in "self-defense" because we were trying to hit him with the car. Dad brought us all to court. The judge got a laugh out of that. "So you say you saw this car coming right at you and you have the time to bend down to grab a rock then move back and throw it? Case dismissed."
We had a neighbor throw a rock at our car as we drove by. We were on our way to church so all 7 were in the car. The funny part is that he threw it so hard that it bounced off the car and struck him in the face. He sued my dad claiming he threw the rock in "self-defense" because we were trying to hit him with the car. Dad brought us all to court. The judge got a laugh out of that. "So you say you saw this car coming right at you and you have the time to bend down to grab a rock then move back and throw it? Case dismissed."
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
Herb & Suds
Well-Known Member
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
this is NOT an advocation of murder, just an observation...if she gets speaker of the house, she WILL be murdered...there's no fucking way she could survive a full term with her stupidity, her racism, her hateful nature on full display, daily?...someone will kill her. i'm amazed someone hasn't yetMarjorie Taylor Greene: ‘Under Republicans, not another penny will go to Ukraine’
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) promised on Thursday that “not another penny will go to Ukraine” if Republicans retake control of Congress in Tuesday’s midterm elections.
“The only border they care about is Ukraine, not America’s southern border,” Greene said of Democrats at a Trump rally in Sioux City, Iowa. “Under Republicans, not another penny will go to Ukraine. Our country comes first. They don’t care about our border or our people.”
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Ky.) similarly suggested last month that Republicans would rein in Ukraine spending if they retake the House, as the GOP appears poised to do, though he stopped far short of saying the faucet would be shut off entirely.
“Ukraine is important, but at the same time it can’t be the only thing, and it can’t be a blank check,” McCarthy told Punchbowl News in October.
The comments earned McCarthy backlash from Democrats, as well as some of his fellow Republicans. The House minority leader appears to be at odds with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who has spearheaded Republican support for Ukraine aid.
Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) accused McCarthy of “giving aid and comfort to the enemy” with his remarks and suggested that the minority leader was trying to appease the far-right wing of the party in his quest to be Speaker.
Greene, a far-right supporter of former President Trump, had warned that the Republican base would be “unhappy” if McCarthy did not give her more power in the House next term.
“I think that to be the best Speaker of the House and to please the base, he’s going to give me a lot of power and a lot of leeway,” Greene told The New York Times Magazine in October.
Marjorie Taylor Greene: ‘Under Republicans, not another penny will go to Ukraine’
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) promised on Thursday that “not another penny will go to Ukraine” if Republicans retake control of Congress in Tuesday’s midterm elections. “The only border they …thehill.com
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
she makes me think everyone in Colorado should just be flushed and replaced with hamsters...it would raise the IQ of the entire state several points.
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
why is it always republicans talking about "groomers", and then it's the republicans who get arrested for grooming?...you'd think they'd learn to just shut the motherfuck up, and quit drawing attention to their hundreds of glaring flaws.Shouldn't be an issue for the base after Trump, he can run from his cell like Donald will..
South Dakota Senate candidate Joel Koskan accused of grooming, raping child family member
A Republican running for South Dakota state Senate was charged with felony child abuse Thursday for allegedly grooming and raping his young family member for years, according to local reports.nypost.com
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
or basic humanity, or the truth, or decency...
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
America continues to amaze me, too. and sicken me, and disturb me, and anger me, but it also continues to be my home, and i'm going to do everything i can do to change that.
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
DeSantis won't say a word, he's just gonna wait for the FBI to arrest Trump and a judge to muzzle him until he goes away, all the republican politicians are, except for the MAGATS and once they are safely elected, they won't care much. With Donald going down DeSantis will slide right in, unless Donald runs for the nomination from a prison cell. He might, and he could have regular visits from Kevin McCarthy who would make pilgrimages to the big house!
He wants to be speaker, but the polls are kinda wonky, even if they show a republican lead. I still think anything could happen on election day and I wouldn't rule out a surprise, even with the republicans gerrymandered advantage in the house. We will see in a couple of days, but I wouldn't bet a dime on the outcome of the coin toss.
www.newsweek.com
He wants to be speaker, but the polls are kinda wonky, even if they show a republican lead. I still think anything could happen on election day and I wouldn't rule out a surprise, even with the republicans gerrymandered advantage in the house. We will see in a couple of days, but I wouldn't bet a dime on the outcome of the coin toss.
Donald Trump "hates" DeSantis, may not vote in FL governor race: Mary Trump
The ex-president recently announced that he will hold a rally in Florida on Sunday to back GOP Senator Marco Rubio, but without Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.
www.newsweek.com
Bagginski
Well-Known Member
You’ve been living in the US, right?
We’ve been in a ‘cold civil war’ since the beginning of the civil rights era; we’ve been in a ‘cold civil war’ since Father Coughlin led the armed & unarmed ranks of the America First movement through American cities in support of anti-democratic & pro-Nazi policies (including staying out of WW2).
We’ve been in a cold civil war since ‘businessmen’ decided to raise an army to depose FDR, got exposed by the most decorated soldier & officer in history - and no investigation was held, no charges were filed, no one lost a job or went to jail.
Gotta say, that may be the stupidest, least insightful thing Mahler’s ever said in public - it’s like he missed EVERYTHING from Aryan Nations & Posse Comitatus to Charlottesville, Portland, and Jan.6. At this point, I expect to see him opening soon for Dennis Miller at an Amway convention….
TL;DR = it’s only “cold” because only one side is shooting
Bagginski
Well-Known Member
Your use of “we” is a bit broad: I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t make collective pronouncements about what “we” deserve: some of us may have been fighting longer than you’ve known there was a fight.
As for Bobo the clown, she could be a tasteless, unprincipled hustler & just play an idiot on TV: given the scale and the scope of the overthrow effort, even the best-informed have had their vision obscured for a very long time - since Appomattox, in fact, and the birth of “states’ rights” & “heritage, not hate”.
It really just depends on when you start trying to pay attention
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
there's not going to be any meadows running to the prison to ask trumps instructions...trump's fucking moronic base wants him in office, and a few of the magat republicans like marginal traitor queen who have been promised something...the rest of the republicans want his ass the fuck gone, any way they can get it gone. if trump gets locked up, he'll never see visit one from anyone in the republican party, even the stupidest like greene and boebert will be smart enough to keep the fuck away from him once he's indictedDeSantis won't say a word, he's just gonna wait for the FBI to arrest Trump and a judge to muzzle him until he goes away, all the republican politicians are, except for the MAGATS and once they are safely elected, they won't care much. With Donald going down DeSantis will slide right in, unless Donald runs for the nomination from a prison cell. He might, and he could have regular visits from Kevin McCarthy who would make pilgrimages to the big house!
He wants to be speaker, but the polls are kinda wonky, even if they show a republican lead. I still think anything could happen on election day and I wouldn't rule out a surprise, even with the republicans gerrymandered advantage in the house. We will see in a couple of days, but I wouldn't bet a dime on the outcome of the coin toss.
Donald Trump "hates" DeSantis, may not vote in FL governor race: Mary Trump
The ex-president recently announced that he will hold a rally in Florida on Sunday to back GOP Senator Marco Rubio, but without Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.
Bagginski
Well-Known Member
“Just World” fallacy