Ethos Banana Hammock comparative(exodus thread)

[Moabfighter]

Look at the two grows in my signature:

first has four plants in 4x4, each with 8-main manifold, pulled tops of each main out to perimeter, let 2 fastest bottom laterals grow to even top w main tops, cut other laterals off, —- > 16-20 primary colas —- > 3.8 lbs dry

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Second has same number of plants in same tent, under same exact setup, including lights & process.

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8-mains per plant plus 4-5 laterals and trained to bring up another 20-30 other tops...not all dry yet, but lookin like will be 75% or less of 1st grow...my conclusion is maximizing horizontal is fine, but maximizing 3d needs to be the yield target.

When tops are too close, you lose out on yield, just like if there is too much unused space; plus i suspect, a manifold is more efficient at it’s job than the tangled mess of stems on a scrogg...

As i’ve mentioned before, separate the primary benefits of a manifold (better plumbing system, spreading apical dominance/even tops) from how you train the tops. The goal is to achieve the appropriate number of tops for your lights, which balances number of tops and space between them.

Nugbuckets was all about pretty mainlined colas...that's nice for photography, but sucks for yield...part of the reason, he’s no longer here, where he started...

Hell of a post. Gonna take more than one screenshot lol love it

 

[Moabfighter]

How do you get your bases as large as my forearm? Your “plumbing system” is really sticking to me. That big fat honkin base can supply a lot of water which in turn grows the duckin pot with good lights. That big plumbing system is the key I swear even though I’ve ywt to do that

 

[BigOleNugs19]

How do you get your bases as large as my forearm? Your “plumbing system” is really sticking to me. That big fat honkin base can supply a lot of water which in turn grows the duckin pot with good lights. That big plumbing system is the key I swear even though I’ve ywt to do that

Hey Moab, I wanna hear what @Or_Gro has to say about it but to give you a second persons experience with mainlining, I will show ya a couple of my plants currently. I'm a complete novice to most of this so consider that too, first time with alot of variables. And my first mainlines ever.

The second pic will show you what happens when you mess up and split your stem while training....

14 days into flower, about 60 days in veg and they were stunted by cold temps and low humidity for about 20 days to start. Hope this helps man. I didnt do anything other than the normal mainline.

 

[Or_Gro]

Hey @Or_Gro
I am in the middle of hooking up my qb96s just like you do I am pretty sure. 4 of them, 2 per 320h driver. Running them in parallel, could you show me how you did yours? I am trying to keep the boards disconnected from the frames so I can slide them back and forth and I am gonna mount my drivers to the wall by the outlet about 10' from where the tent is. I have 3-port and 4-port wago connectors, the 18g solid core wire. Just wanna see what you did with them so I can have a good image of what I should do. Thanks in advance!

Nice frames, similar to mine, which i stole from @Soil2Coco ...

You have the stuff fir a good setup. A couple obvious diffs from mine:

-i have a driver fir each 96 (mainly for ultimate flexibility and testing; i like your plan, tho, makes even dimming easier).

- i prefer another S2C innovation instead of wagos, these:


I really like having one of these on each driver:



So the standard setup looks like:

 

[Or_Gro]

How do you get your bases as large as my forearm? Your “plumbing system” is really sticking to me. That big fat honkin base can supply a lot of water which in turn grows the duckin pot with good lights. That big plumbing system is the key I swear even though I’ve ywt to do that

Under dialed in conditions, great lights, and daily care...those are standard...

 

[BigOleNugs19]

Nice frames, similar to mine, which i stole from @Soil2Coco ...

You have the stuff fir a good setup. A couple obvious diffs from mine:

-i have a driver fir each 96 (mainly for ultimate flexibility and testing; i like your plan, tho, makes even dimming easier).

- i prefer another S2C innovation instead of wagos, these:
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I really like having one of these on each driver:

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So the standard setup looks like:

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Ahh I didnt realize you powered each board seperately. Ok, thanks man! I do like those connectors...

 

[Moabfighter]

Okay so yes When I attempted this on an auto that one with three “mains” I did snap one. I’ve seen topping before where you leave about an inch of stick above to help with this problem. Leave a little nub or cut flush to a v?

Thank you for the info aswell Big nugs. Let’s all be honest here. We are trying to emulate/grow as good as @Or_Gro right? If we can all bounce off each other and nitpick the he’ll out of each other to strive for success.....we can become a couple handful of “great” growers in the next year tops I truly believe that.

 

[Or_Gro]

Hey Moab, I wanna hear what @Or_Gro has to say about it but to give you a second persons experience with mainlining, I will show ya a couple of my plants currently. I'm a complete novice to most of this so consider that too, first time with alot of variables. And my first mainlines ever.

The second pic will show you what happens when you mess up and split your stem while training....

14 days into flower, about 60 days in veg and they were stunted by cold temps and low humidity for about 20 days to start. Hope this helps man. I didnt do anything other than the normal mainline.

You nailed it man...here’s one of my jack herer’s that split during veg, harvested after 70+ flowering days:

 

[bigggsteve89]

@Moabfighter took your advice bro got alot of perlite for my next run bh and moabs nugs going to do mostly perlite might add like 10% coco idk anyone got any pointers on this? Can I run all perlite? Whats the difference?

 

[Or_Gro]

Ahh I didnt realize you powered each board seperately. Ok, thanks man! I do like those connectors...

Yours is great, i’ve seen guys push 2 wires into each of the 96’s sockets (1 in, 1 out; on each pos/neg socket, to do parallel... i think that’s what s2c did....you might check s2c’s post in the 96 elite no bullshit thread on gc...,or ask tbone)...

 

[Smokexbreak]

@Moabfighter took your advice bro got alot of perlite for my next run bh and moabs nugs going to do mostly perlite might add like 10% coco idk anyone got any pointers on this? Can I run all perlite? Whats the difference?

That’s overkill on the perlite..... you’ll be watering 2-4 times a day.....if not more.

 

[Smokexbreak]

Yours is great, i’ve seen guys push 2 wires into each of the 96’s sockets (1 in, 1 out; on each pos/neg socket, to do parallel... i think that’s what s2c did....you might check s2c’s post in the 96 elite no bullshit thread on gc...,or ask tbone....

Yep you can get away with using the in and outs. Use a lot less wire that way too.

 

[Or_Gro]

Okay so yes When I attempted this on an auto that one with three “mains” I did snap one. I’ve seen topping before where you leave about an inch of stick above to help with this problem. Leave a little nub or cut flush to a v?

Thank you for the info aswell Big nugs. Let’s all be honest here. We are trying to emulate/grow as good as @Or_Gro right? If we can all bounce off each other and nitpick the he’ll out of each other to strive for success.....we can become a couple handful of “great” growers in the next year tops I truly believe that.

Thanks, but any journeyman grower with great lights, dialed in system can do what i do that’s the point of my threads....it doesn't take a guru master grower...

At topping locations, i think leaving a little stub gives topping joint some time to ripen, the stub will eventually dry out and fall off....

 

[bigggsteve89]

That’s overkill on the perlite..... you’ll be watering 2-4 times a day.....if not more.

So whats a better ratio on that? Dont have time for 2-4 waters a day man

 

[Moabfighter]

So whats a better ratio on that? Dont have time for 2-4 waters a day man

Half half man. 50/50. More perlite appearance than soil IMO. I just use enough soil to hang onto a little goodies for the roots and have the soil as a “buffer”

I just feel like a tight soil gets buggy/too humid/ hot spots within it.

Lot of perlite is consistent for root growth, again this is all in my opinion. You’ll probably find someone out there that swears by growing in straight clay...... here’s my weird soil mix super perlite after less than 2 weeks from sprout....

 

[Moabfighter]

Iceman heard you broke yours. Sorry but I gotta smoke one or two out of it the. You can have it tomorrow.

 

[BigOleNugs19]

Everything is in its place and installed! I still need to run the wiring properly so its all out of my way and not looking so ugly, but I was able to test all the boards and they are all running great! Super bright. This is a step up from my 600h I have hooked to my other 4.... so glad to have this done and can finally get the other side of the tent going. Got a couple plants just about ready to go...

 

[bigggsteve89]

Half half man. 50/50. More perlite appearance than soil IMO. I just use enough soil to hang onto a little goodies for the roots and have the soil as a “buffer”

I just feel like a tight soil gets buggy/too humid/ hot spots within it.

Lot of perlite is consistent for root growth, again this is all in my opinion. You’ll probably find someone out there that swears by growing in straight clay...... here’s my weird soil mix super perlite after less than 2 weeks from sprout....
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So maybe take a cup and do equal portions of both then maybe a extra cup or 2 of perlite and call it good?

 

[Or_Gro]

Iceman heard you broke yours. Sorry but I gotta smoke one or two out of it the. You can have it tomorrow.

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Small shit can be a big deal..

 

[ClydeWalters]

Rub that great lookin pup on the chest for me....

Done! She says “what up or gro ruff ruff !”

She’s full blooded 100% German Shepherd, I met both the mother and the father to confirm. She’s quite a handful and when I’m trimming she won’t leave me alone so I think she likes the smell of weed Haha

Stopped by and checked on the crop today couple hours ago and the drying is going fine except my room is sitting at 75°F Which is about 10°F hotter than I would prefer

what Temperatures and relative humidity do you dry your cannabis in?

Any pointers?