Estimating yield knowing veg time, potsize & light

Icu420 · Feb 26, 2021

I wonder if these estimations are close to possible.

I am assuming 110 000 lux or 110k lumens per square meter which is ~11 sqft.

Only 1 plant.

potsize	1month veg	2month veg
~0.08gl/0.3l	5-15g	15-20g
~0.13gl/0.5L	10-20g	20-30g
~ .26g l/ 1L	20-30g	30-50g
~ 0.8gl / 3L	30-50g	50-80g
~ 2.6gl / 10L	50-100g	100-150g
~ 5.2gl / 20L	100-200g	200-300g
~ 13gl / 50L	200-300g	300-500g

Is it correct that vegging longer has diminishing returns after 2 months? Can you aproximate it?

Lordhooha · Feb 26, 2021

Icu420 said:
I wonder if these estimations are close to possible.

I am assuming 110 000 lux or 110k lumens per square meter which is ~11 sqft.

Only 1 plant.

potsize 1month veg 2month veg
~0.08gl/0.3l 5-15g 15-20g
~0.13gl/0.5L 10-20g 20-30g
~ .26g l/ 1L 20-30g 30-50g
~ 0.8gl / 3L 30-50g 50-80g
~ 2.6gl / 10L 50-100g 100-150g
~ 5.2gl / 20L 100-200g 200-300g
~ 13gl / 50L 200-300g 300-500g

Is it correct that vegging longer has diminishing returns after 2 months? Can you aproximate it?

All horseshit

bk78 · Feb 26, 2021

Bout a pound

sunni · Feb 26, 2021

Icu420 said:
I wonder if these estimations are close to possible.

I am assuming 110 000 lux or 110k lumens per square meter which is ~11 sqft.

Only 1 plant.

potsize 1month veg 2month veg
~0.08gl/0.3l 5-15g 15-20g
~0.13gl/0.5L 10-20g 20-30g
~ .26g l/ 1L 20-30g 30-50g
~ 0.8gl / 3L 30-50g 50-80g
~ 2.6gl / 10L 50-100g 100-150g
~ 5.2gl / 20L 100-200g 200-300g
~ 13gl / 50L 200-300g 300-500g

Is it correct that vegging longer has diminishing returns after 2 months? Can you aproximate it?

a very common question here is how much yield will i get

a very common answer is about a pound its a rollitupjoke on the forum because we literally cannot tell you

if you get defensive at jokes and starting shit flinging because you dont like peoples answers youre too tense, you just gotta let it go

Rurumo · Feb 26, 2021

Pot size isn't a major factor if you're using coco, which you don't specify. Those numbers look totally arbitrary, too many factors in play, not the least of which is individual skill. You can have the best equipment in the world, but you can still end up growing some bammer weed. Personally, I don't like vegging over 2 months, but I probably wouldn't even veg that long if not for plant limits.

Icu420 · Feb 26, 2021

Do you think it is impossible to make a speedsheet like this?

What additional info is required to figure out when and how the potsize becomes the bottleneck of a setup?

Strain for one i guess and growing medium, assuming good to very good soil mix.

As to skill i just assume the grower sees it through without disease & nut problems + and utilizes the lightning optimally using lst or else such that there is no major recovery needed and budsite development is optimized.

As to light i thought lux value is better than specifying the details & particulars of that but one can assume the light is great to perfect.

I don't see how this is an unaswerable question.

Icu420 · Feb 26, 2021

sunni said:
a very common question here is how much yield will i get

a very common answer is about a pound its a rollitupjoke on the forum because we literally cannot tell you

if you get defensive at jokes and starting shit flinging because you dont like peoples answers youre too tense, you just gotta let it go

Thanks for explaining

It is so difficult to let these things go if one isn't otherwise occupied

Icu420 · Feb 26, 2021

Rurumo said:
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Thanks.

It was sloppy of me not to include that.

ptrzm · Feb 26, 2021

Icu420 said:
Do you think it is impossible to make a speedsheet like this?

What additional info is required to figure out when and how the potsize becomes the bottleneck of a setup?

Strain for one i guess and growing medium, assuming good to very good soil mix.

As to skill i just assume the grower sees it through without disease & nut problems + and utilizes the lightning optimally using lst or else such that there is no major recovery needed and budsite development is optimized.

As to light i thought lux value is better than specifying the details & particulars of that but one can assume the light is great to perfect.

I don't see how this is an unaswerable question.

You can't account for genetics for a start. The impact is huge.

Icu420 · Feb 26, 2021

ptrzm said:
You can't account for genetics for a start. The impact is huge.

Thanks.

Does anybody know if it Is possible to ballpark estimate this value? I assume that
here having a great cultivar of a certain strain is talked about as to it's performance compared to the avg exp yield of the strain.

One grower told me it can be ~20%.

Now i hold the view that it is likely possible to make this type of a spreedsheet for any particular grow.

There is certainly some way to graph the yield gain of upping the size until the expected yield is maximized and to see the diminishing returns kick in for potsize bottlenecks.

Furthermore it should be possible to graph the diminishing returns of the yield gain over vegetation time

ptrzm · Feb 26, 2021

Icu420 said:
Thanks.

Does anybody know if it Is possible to ballpark estimate this value if having a great cultivar of a certain strain?

One grower told me it can be ~20%.

Now i hold the view that it is likely possible to make this type of a spreedsheet for any particular grow.

There is certainly a bellcurve for potsize capping yield

Likewise it should be possible to graph the diminishing returns of the yield gain over vegetation time

I like your thinking and I personally think most things can be predicted and proceduralised etc. but this is a living thing, and it's just not that simple.

You'd have to collect endless data on thousands of strains plus all their phenos. Some like more or less light, nutes, space etc. It's not something you can easily put into a table.

SpawnOfShulgin · Feb 26, 2021

Both of these plants were grown from seedstock starting on the same day, fed the same amount of everything, in the same size pot (5 gallon) with the same soil (FFOF), and are under the same lights.

This is just an example of how drastic yeild can vary due to plant genetics even among the same strain.

Icu420 · Feb 26, 2021

ptrzm said:
I like your thinking and I personally think most things can be predicted and proceduralised etc. but this is a living thing, and it's just not that simple.

You'd have to collect endless data on thousands of strains plus all their phenos. Some like more or less light, nutes, space etc. It's not something you can easily put into a table.

It's not a bellcurve btw but it's a graph something like this

So the yield goes up as potize increases until size is no longer a factor and yield evens out.

Likewise with vegetation time instead of potsize.

ptrzm · Feb 26, 2021

Icu420 said:
It's not a bellcurve btw but it's a graph something like this
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So the yield goes up as potize increases until size is no longer a factor and yield evens out.

Likewise with vegetation time instead of potsize.

This is starting to sound a lot like a troll thread. If so, congrats, you got me.

Icu420 · Feb 26, 2021

SpawnOfShulgin said:
This is just an example of how drastic yeild can vary due to plant genetics even among the same strain.

Thanks for sharing.

Makes me wonder if whether the roots fill out the container or whether plant gets the rootbound is a better measure than yield

Icu420 · Feb 26, 2021

ptrzm said:
This is starting to sound a lot like a troll thread. If so, congrats, you got me.

Id take that win kind sir

Old_fart_stoner · Feb 26, 2021

Still...about a pound. If you want to get more specific...about 16oz or 448gm

SpawnOfShulgin · Feb 26, 2021

Icu420 said:
Thanks for sharing.

Makes me wonder if whether the roots fill out the container or whether plant gets the rootbound is a better measure than yield

They aren't rootbound. They were in 3 gallon pots until just before I flipped them and I transplanted.

Just like humans can grow in lots of sizes even with the same environment, so can plants.

Icu420 · Feb 26, 2021

SpawnOfShulgin said:
They aren't rootbound. They were in 3 gallon pots until just before I flipped them and I transplanted.

Just like humans can grow in lots of sizes even with the same environment, so can plants.

Thanks for sharing.

How long did you vegetate them, seedling to flower or vegation in between?

Do you think they would get rootbound in the 5s if you let them go for an extra month in vegetation?

How much more yield do you think you could get if let them vegetate one or two more months?

Fishbulb · Feb 26, 2021

Icu420 said:
I wonder if these estimations are close to possible.

I am assuming 110 000 lux or 110k lumens per square meter which is ~11 sqft.

Only 1 plant.

potsize 1month veg 2month veg
~0.08gl/0.3l 5-15g 15-20g
~0.13gl/0.5L 10-20g 20-30g
~ .26g l/ 1L 20-30g 30-50g
~ 0.8gl / 3L 30-50g 50-80g
~ 2.6gl / 10L 50-100g 100-150g
~ 5.2gl / 20L 100-200g 200-300g
~ 13gl / 50L 200-300g 300-500g

Is it correct that vegging longer has diminishing returns after 2 months? Can you aproximate it?

Where are u factoring not fucking shit up? Because shit happens

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