Edux10's WidowCindy Grow

WCA

Looking Female!
Not very bushy
More lanky

WCB

Short one

WC unmarked

This is the big one. It keeps getting fried by the light. Growing fast.
Lanky. Like the best of both worlds. Not too lanky not to have any branches going
This might be my keeper if it preforms well in flower

Some of the tops might look like they are at a funky angle but it is just because I was looking for the sex and I was messing with the tops.

i like it ..dark green...dank ...purple stem on one side i like that..keep it up

chadbomb said:

i like it ..dark green...dank ...purple stem on one side i like that..keep it up

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Thanks buddy. I like the color of em too. Im hoping for some real color during flowering. It would be great to have a purple widow with c99 traits as well.

Not to start and argument but purp bud is usually mellower but mix that with the genes of these to and whew man. We will see .

As you can see it is giving me some nice phenos to select from,

There is the mostly widow squat variety then some that look smaller and Im not really liking their structure. Maybe thai structure I am thinking. Then a coulpe that vary but are mostly influenced by the c99 it looks. Im happy I popped these seeds in the ground!!

See take a look at these ones. They all are similar. Not all have shown signs of sex so maybe Ill get a boy and a girl and I can stabilize these characteristics?

Looking at it the middle seems a little more WWish and the side ones seem a little more c99? All of them seem to be pretty bush and have basically the same sturcture. What do you think?

Also note that they are all sucking down water like crazy!!

No it is not a heat problem. Heat tops out at 85 and usually I have the a/c cranked to 74 and the room maybe gets to 79 adverage. The smaller ones still have wet soil after a day but the big ones are way dry. I have had to start doing feed one day then just water the next then feed the next day etc. Every day watering!! I am going to be transplanting the rest now that I got the FFOF, so I am hoping that gets me back to just feeding every other day.

Next time they need water I will be doing a flush and transplant (tommrow, I know I already said that) other plants in the garden need to be upgraded in bigger pots too, so everyone will be going up one size. WC into 3 gallon pots, smaller clones stay, seedlings upgrade to 1 gallon, newly rooted clones and godzilla seedlings in cups, (this probably doesn't make much since to you guys cuz you havn't really seen these ones)

and TAKE CLONES of WC. Almost all of them have a decient amount of branches that I can cut that will just be stripped off soon any ways.

Those are all lookin awsome. The ones that have alot of node spots and less strech look alot like the Purple Cindy that Earl grew early on as I recall. Very nice phenos IMO. If you cross a male and female with those trates, WOW. Since you have your in soil I dont think they will be as big as Earl's but they have are looking dankish already. Are the ones that are lankier streching for the light or were they grown with the others?

greenthumb111 said:

Those are all lookin awsome. The ones that have alot of node spots and less strech look alot like the Purple Cindy that Earl grew early on as I recall. Very nice phenos IMO. If you cross a male and female with those trates, WOW. Since you have your in soil I dont think they will be as big as Earl's but they have are looking dankish already. Are the ones that are lankier streching for the light or were they grown with the others?

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yeah they were all grown together. Any stretch should not be due to light but genetic only. I have kept the light super close. That is why you see some of the topps being a little burnned.

I hope to cross those too but have never bred before. Can some1 give me the rundown or a link I can check out. My main question is: Do males have to be 'flowered'? like do I have to put the lights to 12/12 for them to drop pollen or will they just do it automatically? If they do it auto it might cause some problems because I am planning on cloning males and collecting pollen at a later date. Does it work like that?

The males will flower when they are ready
and light does not really affect them.

I would reccomend crossing the WC with another strain,
and not back onto the WC,
but if you do,
the phenos will be greatly varied.
.

Your plants look very nice.
Thanks for the pix.

Very nice pics thanks

Earl said:

The males will flower when they are ready
and light does not really affect them.

I would reccomend crossing the WC with another strain,
and not back onto the WC,
but if you do,
the phenos will be greatly varied.
.

Your plants look very nice.
Thanks for the pix.

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ok so I am pretty much limited to waiting for the dudes to pop then collect their pollen and pollenate a female later, correct?

If I crossed a boy and a girl with a lot of the same traits the offspring will still be varied a lot? Im guessing if I find one that I like to make clones of it and have it as my (or our) clone only strain instead of having to develop it back into seed.

What do you think about WC crossed with Dabney Blueberry?

Dsntgrowpot said:

Very nice pics thanks

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Hey buddy, thank you for stopping by and checking out me grow!!

Give it a couple more weeks and it will really be going off!! I got a HPS light and everything! ha

The Widow Cindy is a hybrid variety.

when you cross a hybrid variety back onto itself,
the result are unpredictable and some will be very bad.

Some may be excellent,
if you have the room to grow out a bunch,
and look for the good one.

Now if you have another variety to cross this hybrid to,
you might find more winners.

We still don't know how this widow/cindy cross is going to fair.

You and I will be the first to know.

Earl said:

The Widow Cindy is a hybrid variety.

when you cross a hybrid variety back onto itself,
the result are unpredictable and some will be very bad.

Some may be excellent,
if you have the room to grow out a bunch,
and look for the good one.

Now if you have another variety to cross this hybrid to,
you might find more winners.

We still don't know how this widow/cindy cross is going to fair.

You and I will be the first to know.

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Thank you for the explanation. I am still trying to firgure out this whole 'gene pool' thing.

So my other question was how long can I store pollen? I have heard about a month. Is this correct? If so I don't know if that fits my time window very well.

I am figuring that I will grow these out, try to collect pollen, find a female or 2 that I want to keep and keep cloning for furture gardens. While these are vegging and soon to be flowering I am also vegging out those other females I talked about earlier.

So when those females (other set of clones not WC) are mature, or ready to accept pollen, I will hopefully have some WC pollen to pollenate a few branches.

Just to recap these are the clones that I will have ready for my next batch after the WC, hopefully harvest around December or January 09.
They are 818 OG Kush, Dabney blueberry, OG Banana, Bubba Kush, Grandaddy Purple, Purple Voodoo (this pheno is very neon purp when grown right), Pure Kush, Snowcap, and I have some Godzilla (new strain) seedlings that are behiend the WC by maybe a month and I just aquired an OG kush cutting.

This whole breeding thing is some ways down the road but I am trying to get a good understanding of it all right now so I am prepared. It will be my first time doing anything like this and I am very excited to do so!!

I also just sent out a Money order yesterday to get some new seeds. I hope that they come.
I got these Double Strawberry Diesel
I don't know how I feel exactly about REZ making seeds of the elite cuts but this one is more of a cross that sounds really good. I wouldn't want seeds of something called Sour Diesel that wasn't exactly sour d. Next thing you know everyone has a different 'sour d' cut and all the work we have done will be screwed up.

I guess we are going to have to start naming every cut out there whether it be 'elite' or not...

I saw a couple test grow and from the pic it looks pretty right on. I know you cant really tell by pics but there were about half sour d phenos and about half strawberry cough phenos. I am excited to (hopefully) be getting these.

If you back cross two phenos from the same seed batch (cross) that have similar (wanted) characterstics, wont the characteristics reocur and if you keep doing that the strain will become prety stable? To breed in variability you would cross breed the WC with some other cross pheno with desireable traits. THen you would have WC x (other hybrid) phenos that you could select and stabilize. As Earl said, the selection of the phenos for backcrossing takes alot of room and alot of phenos. Is that what you are trying to do?

Pollen can be stored for very long time if done correctly.

Moisture is the enemy of pollen,
so storing in a dry container with a desiccant
will improve the time of viability.

A vacuum container, with some desiccant, will be optimum.

Crossing the WC male back to another hybrid
may yeild interesting varieties.

A hybrid cross
may produce as many as four
or a few as one, phenotypes.

Seperating your males from the grow room
is best, if possible.

If you cannot remove the males from your grow room,
then you can strip the male of all growth,
except the top,
which you can "paper bag"
until he spews.

Try to find an unwaxed,
light weight, paper bag.

You will probly still end up
with a one or two seeds in your buds.

If you have several males to choose from,
you should do a "stem smell test" on them,
to determine which one you like the best.

Wash your hands.

Then use your thumb and fore finger
to "jack-off" the stem between nodes.
(you can jack-off the girls also, in case you were feeling weird.)

Now hold your thumb and finger together
and smell them close to your nose.

Re-peat the process for each male.

Hope you find a stinker !
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Earl - What does the smell of a male plants stem incicate as far as plant characteristics?