ebb&flow/cfl lighting need help 1st grow

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newbie to hydro. Background :using system brought from botanicare(micro-garden)grows 8 included with system ready gro medium(messy drain off), nutes provided by comp. starter plugs,base growth bloom karma sweet ph up ph down. also added heater(not using read 60's in res ok),air stone. germination is not a prob. I put seedling in starter plug then in ready gro. (As i get different bags of the some good green if i like the high i keep seeds.)germinate 36 hrs later in starter plugs. 1 day in system growth seen with light nutes (base20ml growth40 karma20) 8 gall tap water in res.(temp mid 60's) lights cfl 24/0(not recomended)20/4 ok, now on 18/6 off from 11:30pm to 5:30 am as of today . ph so so 5-7 (whats best) according to charts 5.1-5.9 and 6.2-6.9 is it ok to start at 5 let drift to 7. take advantage of both ph intake zones. lights are 2 cfl /1 34 watt=180 watts of 7000 k 1 32 watt= 150 watts of 6500 k (will be buying more lights when all 8 pots are growing.) Heres my problem: around day 10 i tried to add some nutes (topping with distilled water) tried to bring total to around 40-50 strength. watering was 3-4 times a day 30 min. Stopped that moment saw problems. (over nute poss.)(over water poss.) Since prob started flush res and plants with tap water (not a prob) water is good to use. backed watering down to 0 to allow pots to dry. Been using distilled water and spraying medium/plant no nute. planing to put back on a water schedule tonight around 6pm for first watering. (depth of plants and density of medium differs trying to figure out which is best of flood and draining.) reset res to base 20(10ml per gal grow 40 20ml per gal karma 20 10ml per gal well under limits for 8 gallon in res 10 gallon capacity. have fan on them in daytime. temps are good under 80 in closet, dont know humidity. want to do first grow before buying meters spent enough already want to get a growth then build on that. learn before i add more. Feel Free to ask, comment, correct probs for better yield for paramaters.

was doing research and decided to give a try, here is the test patient, I am adding urine to these two,1ml of urine diluted with 11ml of water poured into medium,pink pot has no holes in bottom of pot, to avoid urine going into res. added immediatly after mixing. heres another test that I have started its called the growing medium. My plants have different depths and densities of medium. This one has the plant at the top in light dense medium when flooded cycle water is to the tippy top of medium almost covering. under lights will cause algae growth, lets see if i put a shade cover over pot with hole for plant lets see what happens.(cleaning pot of all algae first) And the over nute/over water/ under water problem (still havent figured this cause yet, to update im now watering 3x day 15 min, 5:45am 2:15pm 11:15 pm
spray with water on top of medium around 12:00 noon just enough around base of plant to have moisture in starter plug. lights are on at 5 am off 11. lastly the messy runoff
i dont like it want to keep the res and tray clean, not to mention the small amounts of water that does not drain cause of the drain plug

That's a retarded ass looking plant LOL...

The plant is nute burned. Transplant it to a different pot with different soil.

I hope that everyone is enjoying the work im putting in, but its useless without feedback. They say build and they will come,(so what i brought it)Still come !!! what do you think about : the ph , the urine , light cycle, watering cycle, messy drain off, theres more to talk about but we have to start at homeplate before we get to first.To the rugby fans we have to have the ball to score !!!!

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help your fellow cultivator
I cant do it bymyself ; it takes a villiage and all that stuff !! (lol)

Id stay in 20% nute for a week,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,as for the messy drainage, with out seeing your total set up, maybe try placing some screen at your drain plugs.....and quit peeing on your plants man!!

you've got alot of probs bro. dont pee on your plants first off. you have all the nutrients you need, piss isnt one of them.

what kinda of medium are you using?

DONT use any nutes right now, i wait until the 3rd or 4th node to start adding grow and karma.

give me some ?'s and i'll try to help man

dont people get pissed when dogs piss on their lawn? because the piss kills their grass. I would think human piss would have kind of hte same affects on ur plants. and the deformation + brown tip son ur paltns would indicate too much nutes. Im not understanding the whole hydro in soil concept, but i dont know too much about hydro.

yeah during summer camp, back in the day, we used to piss outside a cabin in the same spot and after a week that area was just dead.
I don't understand how you're "growing" in a hydro system with soil, at least that's what it looks like from your pics. If they aren't in soil, then what is the medium.

Great response to the piss theory, the reason for the piss is its high in nitrogen and i think potassium. Human urine watered down has been used for centuries to grow plants, and now a days those bio organic products farmers etc use urine. so to all of you that use horse poo, they let it soak in urine. in africa Urine is used to fertilize due to lack of water. straight piss might be to strong will give nute burn,
urine test patients
on to todays update: nute recovery is showing progress after two days new leafs are sprouting in the middle. (previous pics of this plant are shown with nute burn)

Also I think Ive noticed a difference in strains
one sativa one indica how good will they be i dont know but they seem to be growing the fastest of the bunch

ive also added a few lights was in a store and brought two 32 watt spiral 6400day light/and a light I had from before 18 watt 5000 cfl for a total of 5 lights. Todays questions are about watering should I increase watering to 4 times a day now that they are recovering from nute burn. and ive added the lights seem like grow area is alot warmer . should i leave the lights on 18hrs, (previous post show i started at 24 went to 20 and now on 18hrs.)would going back to 24 hurt or shock them, with the added lights i fan 24hrs leave closet open for hours at the time. I think if your going to go cfl get more powerfull lights than 32 watts because if i have all these watts in a total of two or three lights it would be less heat. ph today is around 6 I test my ph two different ways 1 with strip 1 with drops and compare the both indicate low 6. Should i let the ph start a 5 and let go to 7 before i ph down (even though i probably wont have to use ph down until i change the res. the system for now does not rise that fast slow but gradual see how that changes when my babies are toddlers.

back to the soil/hydro concept. is the soil drying out at all ever? if not, wouldnt this cause root rot along the way? good point about the urine, i use Black Cow in small amounts, cringe everytime i stick my handd in the bag haha. I thinmk the urine is also going to be different depending on ur intake. if you eat healthy and organic vs. mcdonalds all day. also if ur taking any pills (medicinal + recreational). there are a lot of factors that owuld go into that i would think. And where did u find an 18w cfl with 5000k? its a bright white im assuming? ive been using the warm white pretty much the whole way, noticed some difference in veg. growth, a little more sparse than when i used the bright whites, just fyi, i guess haha.

Personally my urine is 40% alcohol by volume, so I try to keep it away from my plants. They're probably the one thing with 100 yards of my house I haven't peed on.

Great response to the piss theory, the reason for the piss is its high in nitrogen and i think potassium. Human urine watered down has been used for centuries to grow plants, and now a days those bio organic products farmers etc use urine. so to all of you that use horse poo, they let it soak in urine. in africa Urine is used to fertilize due to lack of water. straight piss might be to strong will give nute





Urea will not break down once the plant begins using it.....it will burn! Pee on yer feet for foot fungus problems and see what happens!!! (it works....really) your plants my not get any fungus among us...but it will burn up!

Just saying HI... keep the pictures coming.... please

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growing with love is what its about. those out there take care of your plants. If you pay attention to them they will pay attention to you. After first noticing the nute burn. My babies are making strides heres nute burn vic. on to the next, the urine patients are showing no nute burn like everyone thought View attachment 38889 tomorrow im going to add nute res water to the urine. I usualy take 1ml of urine and add 25 ml of water im going to substitute 25ml of water with 15ml of water and 10 ml of water from res with 2ml of urine. The growing medium looks like soil yes but dont tell the company for all those that wanted to know what it is see for yourself

in past post ive asked what you think about ph starting at 5 letting go to 7 (still no one has said anything)
watering since there are more lights (should i go to 4 times per day) should i change the light cycle back to 24 hrs.

with dirt bro i think u shld only water once or twice every other day cuz dirt holds a lot of water an like dude said kills roots an ur e&f is made for hydro. med. coocoo or rokwool so "could" b why your haven problems with your drain an nut. im working on my 2nd hydro system an ive not yet mastered the nut. problem i say just put those in pots an let grow u already took a way from growing hydro by using mostly dirt (my opinion) an ive seen an grown good buds out of dirt an using dirt fert. cuz i do think they make different kinds of nut. for diff. med.

but i had a lil plant that had two tips on da main fan leaf i prunded that plant cuz it was growing to fast(tall) so i gota say thats shoc or stress

my 2cents
stop use'n dirt in your ebb an flow b4 u have to replace shit an start other plants in rocwool an ur lifes gona b a lot easyer an also keep thim lights on 24/7 4now but bless an good lukc

I honestly would love to help. But im just kinda over the fact of people using urine to grow bud. knowing that my piss went into what im smoking, even if it works somewhat, doesnt appeal.

you should use hydrotons... or maybe some coco for medium... soil doesnt work well with an EBB and flow... if you wanna be risky.. deroot the plants from the soil.. and stick em in some hydrotons.. (its what i did but my plants were 8 inches tall and 3 weeks old)

Soil wont work.