Early Miss Auto keeps growing

Zogs said:

I find this statement kind of interesting as I am just starting to dabble into breeding and genetics. I would question if this is more a case of bad breeding practices rather than poor genetics ? From my understanding, I think it's more likely that they used the same room to breed photo periods plants and didn't clean out all the pollen properly before they started their auto run or carried it over from another room.

In the interest of keeping this post short, I will not get into how they breed and why I question the genetic side of it.

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Neubieauto said:

To breed an auto from a photo you have to take aa (auto auto) and breed to pp (photo photo) this makes ap or pa and p is the dominant gene so all offspring will be photo plants. So you breed the offspring, now you will end up with 25 percent of those genetics ending showing the auto trait, then you breed two offspring that showed the auto trait and you get a semi stable strain. I feel that this is where crop king stopped. You have to back cross this to make it stable. They have not been bred down the line enough to be a stable auto genetic. The genetics that were started with were probably great but you have to finish the job before you sell auto seeds lol.

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Zogs said:

And that's why I have a hard time believing it's genetics. It just takes one more cycle to breed it with itself via colloidal silver or sts to be stable? I'm still learning but even at the first successful auto you produce, will that auto trait not be locked in 100% of the time if you "self" the plant ? Kind of like feminized seeds for example, it will always be 100% female because there is no Y chromosome to begin with, so it's impossible to transfer something that isn't there.

So unless they have stray pollen, how can they transfer the photo trait if it's not there ?
I understand that Photo x Auto = 75% Photo
but shouldn't a Auto pollinated by itself or "selfed" for lack of a better word = a exact same copy ?

Sorry for the thread hi jack

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Neubieauto said:

Where did you read that photo x auto =75% photo?

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AndThenThereWasOne said:

ZOGS....power bill. AH.....I don't know how they bill power in CA, but here in the middle of the U.S. They base it on how much and how fast you draw power and peak power demand times. I didn't use my central a/c like I normally would have and I had a window unit in my bedroom. #1 didn't want a HEWG bill and #2 I've heard that's how the 'THEYS' find out what you're doing. But I got to thinking about it and when I weld the same thing happens. I haven't welded anything for almost a year.....back pain, but I'm getting better.

I use the basement as well, which here, stays relatively the same temp all year.

Newbieauto the only thing I know about genetics is what I learned in school about peas and the wrinkled peas. I'll have to do some research into that. But, I've read in other threads where people don't like CropKing.

I chose autos because they were 'supposedly' the fasted from start to finish. I see using the constant light cycle from seedling to a certain point, but......the lil fookers work harder than heck, maybe later on a light cycle is best. I dunno, Will try different things during my 2nd grow.

Have a great Sunday !!!!

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Zogs said:

And that's why I have a hard time believing it's genetics. It just takes one more cycle to breed it with itself via colloidal silver or sts to be stable? I'm still learning but even at the first successful auto you produce, will that auto trait not be locked in 100% of the time if you "self" the plant ? Kind of like feminized seeds for example, it will always be 100% female because there is no Y chromosome to begin with, so it's impossible to transfer something that isn't there.

So unless they have stray pollen, how can they transfer

Zogs said:

It was a guesstimate that I was given by other breeders. I am not sure I am reading that chart correctly, but here is my stab at it and where I may be going wrong.

We start with (A) crossed with (a)
only a portion of the offspring will be (a) and be evident because they will have auto'd. ie aa
Now if we take the ones that auto and reverse a single branch and have it pollinate itself, will that plants seedlings not be an exact genetic copy of itself at this point ? As well as every other seedling we use that same pollen on going forward ?

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of this I am not sure. I'm sure something there would not be right otherwise that's as far as any breeder would take it. Legit auto breeders take year(s) to create new crosses and sell stable auto strains. There is a reason they dont just self pollinate the 1st auto that shows out of the bunch. Someone with much more experience than I would have to comment on that.

AndThenThereWasOne said:

ZOGS....power bill. AH.....I don't know how they bill power in CA, but here in the middle of the U.S. They base it on how much and how fast you draw power and peak power demand times. I didn't use my central a/c like I normally would have and I had a window unit in my bedroom. #1 didn't want a HEWG bill and #2 I've heard that's how the 'THEYS' find out what you're doing. But I got to thinking about it and when I weld the same thing happens. I haven't welded anything for almost a year.....back pain, but I'm getting better.

I use the basement as well, which here, stays relatively the same temp all year.

Newbieauto the only thing I know about genetics is what I learned in school about peas and the wrinkled peas. I'll have to do some research into that. But, I've read in other threads where people don't like CropKing.

I chose autos because they were 'supposedly' the fasted from start to finish. I see using the constant light cycle from seedling to a certain point, but......the lil fookers work harder than heck, maybe later on a light cycle is best. I dunno, Will try different things during my 2nd grow.

Have a great Sunday !!!!

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I agree. I've seen both sides of the coin for sure and it all makes sense. You gotta try what you try and decide what works best for you. Everyone here does things differently and 90 percent of them grow some killer buds. There is no 1 right way to grow your buds.

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