Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

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joe macclennan

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chrisinamsterdam said:
Thanks!

How much of each do you add per gallon? Why would the feed chart have such overblown numbers? Wouldn't they have looked into that?

What is the highest concentration of nutrients in your flowering period?
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homebrewer said:
How much do I add per gallon? I'm not sure how knowing that is going to help YOUR plants in YOUR environment. Read through the last 20-30 pages of this thread, I'm positive you'll find some answers. In the end, you're going to have to do what works best for you in terms of feeding strength and frequency. There are about 5 factors that I can immediately think of that affect how much one should feed their plants. Unless you're growing plants in MY room, MY numbers wont be much help.


What is the highest concentration of nutrients in your flowering period?

You should be feeding your plants the MINIMUM amount they need for healthy, deficiency-free growth.
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lol

@cristerdam what he is saying is you shouldn't worry about exactly what other ppl. are running. What matters is what your plants want.

i've found anywhere between 1.1 -1.5 ec is about right in flower with co2.

age and strain dependent for dynagro. You need to experiment a bit to find that sweet spot. and also experiment a bit with ratios of grow/bloom/foliage pro
 
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chrisinamsterdam

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Thanks folks. I may have been misunderstood. I have been growing in soil for ten years and do it very well--it's just that I have a small space (4x4) and a desire to max out the space wherever possible. I've never used DynaGro before, and bought some because of this thread. That's why I have so many "dumb" questions. :)
 
jointed

jointed

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Hey Chris I just started using DynaGro FP 9-3-6 plus Protekt and am growing in MG organic choice. Most of my veggers get 1 tsp per gal of FP and 1/2 tsp of Protekt, but my 70's uknown strain was still yellowing so I bumped her slowly up to 1 tbls per gal to get and keep her green hell my flowering plants are eating 1 1/2 tsp - 1 tbsp per gal with 1/2 tsp of protekt added.

I think the reason is because my mix is heavy on bark, but I like the way my girls grow in it so I just roll with it.

Anyways I think ya just have to set a baseline based on plant age and vigor and go from there..cheers bro
 
Samcro4

Samcro4

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Hey fellas,
I've got a quick question. I dropped my nute solution down as suggested to get to the 1.2-1.5 EC. I started 12/12 this week under 1000 watt hps. Day temp is 78 night temp is 70.

My girls are starting to look like they are getting too hot. The leaves are curling around the edges a little and almost folding up like a canoe. Not as drastic as that, but that's the best way to describe the shape. My humidity is up at 60-70, which I am going to knock down next week. But since its only the first week of 12/12 Im not worried about mold. Plants are about 36 inches away from the hoods.

Do you guys think this is from the lights making the girls too hot? Should I get some more air movement with more fans? Or when you switch your girls to 12/12 do you guys experience this as well?

My temp is good, distance from the lights is good, so the only thing I can think of is I need more air movement or e change of nute concentration has not had a positive affect.

Any suggestions or experience w this?
 
Samcro4

Samcro4

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I have a question that may be simple to you guys, but I'm having a little trouble with it:

I will try to keep it as simple as possible. I am trying maintain HB's 1-3-2 macro suggestion. If 80% of my nute mix is dynagro bloom (3-12-6) and 20% is dyna gro liquid gro at 7-9-5, how do you simplify down to your actual macros since you aren't combining equal parts of each?

My Target EC is 1.5


Below is some info I got from a dynagro rep. I am sure you guys have already figured this out on your own. But it may help others in the future so figured I'd share.

5ml bloom/gallon water = 350ppm
5ml protekt/gallon water = 160ppm
5ml MagPro/gallon water= 340ppm

Thanks for the help
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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Samcro4 said:
I will try to keep it as simple as possible. I am trying maintain HB's 1-3-2 macro suggestion. If 80% of my nute mix is dynagro bloom (3-12-6) and 20% is dyna gro liquid gro at 7-9-5, how do you simplify down to your actual macros since you aren't combining equal parts of each?

Thanks for the help
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So you're using 4 parts bloom to 1 part grow, this is how I calculate the final ratio:

4 parts bloom equals 12-48-24 (that's 3-12-6 multiplied by 4)
1 part Grow equals 7-9-5 (that's 7-9-5 multiplied by 1)

Add them:
(12-48-24)
(7-9-5) +
(19-57-29)

Then divide by 5 (because you're using a total of 5 parts):

(3.8-11.4-5.8 )

Divide the above three numbers by the lowest number, in this case it's 3.8:

Your final ratio is (1-3-1.5). Add some protekt in there and you're pretty damn close to a 1-3-2.


 
Samcro4

Samcro4

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homebrewer said:
So you're using 4 parts bloom to 1 part grow, this is how I calculate the final ratio:

4 parts bloom equals 12-48-24 (that's 3-12-6 multiplied by 4)
1 part Grow equals 7-9-5 (that's 7-9-5 multiplied by 1)

Add them:
(12-48-24)
(7-9-5) +
(19-57-29)

Then divide by 5 (because you're using a total of 5 parts):

(3.8-11.4-5.8 )

Divide the above three numbers by the lowest number, in this case it's 3.8:

Your final ratio is (1-3-1.5). Add some protekt in there and you're pretty damn close to a 1-3-2.
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Thanks, HB. That was a lot more simple than I thought it would be. Not sure why I thought it would be some crazy equation. Then again, math has never been my strong suit.

Week 3 of 12/12 starts tomorrow. Half the girls stretched and are lookin great. The other half stayed somewhat squatty and are darker green. Must have given them too much N. Strange that its literally half and half though.

When I change nutes tomorrow I am going to only use GH bloom for the squatty darker plants. (0-5-4). See if I can get those girls to balance out, use up the extra N, and stretch to the size and color of the others. I will monitor them closely for the next few days to see if my diagnosis and treatment is correct. If they weren't so green I would chalk it up to different pheno. But looks like too much N. hopefully, addressing it this early in flower will allow the plants enough time to catch up with the others. Or maybe I am too late. Not sure. Either way its a learning experience.

Do you guys think I am too late? Or is it possible to make up lost ground this early in flower? Feel like I missed the stretch window.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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You're all familiar with Big Buds magazine, right? Well then I'm sure you're also aware that this rag is owned by Advanced Nutrients.

This link was posted at another forum and I just had to post it here in case anyone is looking for a good laugh:

http://bigbudsmag.com/marijuana-hydroponics-nutrients-organic-fertilizers-Canna-Botanicare

High quality plant food manufacturers like GH, DynaGro, House & Garden, Jacks/Peters, etc. don't need to talk sh*t about the competition because their products do the talking for them. AN on the other hand is constantly playing that sh*t talking game while simultaneously spreading more bad info than the newbs on these forums.

As long as AN continues to be a poison to this hobby, I'll continue to attempt to educate folks on the concept that flashy labels and high price tags don't mean anything as it's all about the guaranteed analysis.
 
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stevegreens

Member
Homebrewer,

Took your advice and did the DG FP half and half with DG bloom until the last few weeks added a little more bloom. Turned out great with the hydro setup.

Though I have larger trees in sunshine I would like to change over to DG as well but didn't see threads in the different way you approached the sunshine or other soiless mix.

Do you treat it the same as far as ec and feeding schedule? If not can you point me in the right direction?

Thanks
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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stevegreens said:
Homebrewer,

Took your advice and did the DG FP half and half with DG bloom until the last few weeks added a little more bloom. Turned out great with the hydro setup.

Though I have larger trees in sunshine I would like to change over to DG as well but didn't see threads in the different way you approached the sunshine or other soiless mix.

Do you treat it the same as far as ec and feeding schedule? If not can you point me in the right direction?

Thanks
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I like foliage pro in promix/sunshine mix and i'd recommend feeding at whatever EC/ppm that's giving you good results now. OR you could start with their maintenance directions on their bottles.
 
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stevegreens

Member
homebrewer said:
I like foliage pro in promix/sunshine mix and i'd recommend feeding at whatever EC/ppm that's giving you good results now. OR you could start with their maintenance directions on their bottles.
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Do you do the 50 % bloom 50 % Foilage pro during bloom for the soiless as well? Or do you just recommend there feed schedule? I know you said you thought it was high at times but wasn't sure where. Also I am assuming it would be the drain to waste schedule since it's soiless.

Thanks Again
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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stevegreens said:
Do you do the 50 % bloom 50 % Foilage pro during bloom for the soiless as well? Or do you just recommend there feed schedule? I know you said you thought it was high at times but wasn't sure where. Also I am assuming it would be the drain to waste schedule since it's soiless.

Thanks Again
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No. I just use protekt and foliage pro in promix. I also don''t follow their schedule as it's too strong.
 
THCfingers

THCfingers

Active Member
Nice grow I like seeing the side by sides. I am doing one of those myself over at https://www.rollitup.org/t/general-hydroponics-vs-botanicare-which-will-prevail.824339/page-2#post-10491359. I have 4 lights inside a tent 2 of them are being grown with General Hydropoincs flora series and the other two lights with Botanicare KIND series. I also lollipopped one GH and KIND really high and one kinda high to see how that affects weight. I am in the last week and its hard to tell which will do better but I think KIND is going to win, and by win I mean produce the most. I am using this program GrowBuddy (growbuddy.com) to help track and compare this grow and it has been awesome to use when sharing what I am doing for the week, check it out I would like to see you stuff displayed out like that. For my next one I am going to do the same grow, make some adjustments to when I started seeing deficiencies, and use CO2 the whole time. Thanks for sharing everything, it is very informative.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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THCfingers said:
Nice grow I like seeing the side by sides. I am doing one of those myself over at https://www.rollitup.org/t/general-hydroponics-vs-botanicare-which-will-prevail.824339/page-2#post-10491359. I have 4 lights inside a tent 2 of them are being grown with General Hydropoincs flora series and the other two lights with Botanicare KIND series. I also lollipopped one GH and KIND really high and one kinda high to see how that affects weight. I am in the last week and its hard to tell which will do better but I think KIND is going to win, and by win I mean produce the most. I am using this program GrowBuddy (growbuddy.com) to help track and compare this grow and it has been awesome to use when sharing what I am doing for the week, check it out I would like to see you stuff displayed out like that. For my next one I am going to do the same grow, make some adjustments to when I started seeing deficiencies, and use CO2 the whole time. Thanks for sharing everything, it is very informative.
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Those plants look good, nice job!
 
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