Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

jamesking said:

HB, I'm changing rez today so can you tell me if this is right?

I'm going to shoot for a target PPM of 850. Tap water is 300. So I will add 550ppm of DynaBLOOM to the water making it the perfect 850. Now, I want to add additives. So do I follow directions for adding the additives (actually, more like half strength) and stop worrying about the PPM?

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At 300ppm (assuming .7 conversion), I'd look into RO. If you're shooting for 850, that is the TOTAL ppm, additives included.

jamesking said:

what ppm do you run your cycle at? and are you in rockwool as well?

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I have no idea what my PPMs are to be honest. I use 1 tsp Dyna for 3 gallons water when they are little, and 1 tsp Dyna for 1 Gal Water when they get bigger. I used to work for Growtech so I have been using the Root Riot cubes to start my clippings. I am by no means a master grower, but I havent bought any smoke in a while.

The water from my patients tap comes out at 440ppm and I help them grow as cheaply as possible. They just use tap water, and they are healthy looking so far. I wish I could help them with R/O or a cheap alternative but not rich enough to be that giving >.< Arizona water here.

I think my first grow journal should be comparing R/O water with Arizona tap water at 440ppm to see the difference. I'm sure a few people here would benefit.

sgmetal75 said:

All I have ever used in my hydro set up is Dyna Grow and Bloom. I just started hydro a few years ago and I have always had pretty good results. I was thinking about trying something else until I read this thread. I think ill stick to Dyna cause its cheap and use the extra money to get bigger lights.

Thank you Uncle Rico for the great thread.

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To be honest- I was introduced to hydro by a dynagrow rep at the LA county fair when I was 15. He taught me how to build a flood n drain like homebrewer's and sent me home with a couple free jugs of dynagrow products and some rockwool. That guy really caused me to not learn alot about growing. Why? because my first grow came out so good, I got around alot of the initial problems most people have in their learning curve- I actually thought it was easy and it was goin great right outta the gate. Ever since I've been really interested in the science of it all. I went decades without actually growing, but continued to read all I could find on the subject. I have some book smarts on hydro, but now I'm finally getting around to summore real world experience. And I can say at 15 with dynagrow I was easily more successful than in my 30's with Dutchmaster... Well- I also tried out a fogger that ended up being a bad road to go down, but at least I tried I guess... Dynagrow really gives anyone a green thumb in my experience though...

TBH these plants are amazing. i havent updated my own posts yet but i recently ran my unit ALMOST dry. it literally only had enough water to keep the pump from burning out when i came back from vacation. i checked the ppm of my solution only 113ppm. i Set the unit to have a ppm of 600 2 weeks before i left for my vacation and had been topping off with simple r/o ph'd water until i left.

The plants overall didnt show any kinds of stress from the low ppm or water levels. Making me think the "recirculating" part of my setup actually allows for the nutrients to be taken at the plants need. the seriously small amount of nutrients left in my soup(after no added water for a week) really surprised me. Since then i reset my setup to have an overall ppm (sorry i dont have an EC meter nor do i know the conversion scale) of 800. I have yet to witness any negative symptoms from my raising the ppm dosage.

These 3 have been running bloom and proteK at 1.0 ec

This is day 35 of flowering.


I started the next group of girls 15 days later, but gave them a week of 50/50 mix dynagro grow and bloom. This caused a noticeable delay in flowering, compared to the girls I gave a 90/10 bloom mix to.

These two groups of girls are now getting bloom only, and still about 1.0 ec. leaves are still plenty green.

burrr said:

These 3 have been running bloom and proteK at 1.0 ec
This is day 35 of flowering.
I started the next group of girls 15 days later, but gave them a week of 50/50 mix dynagro grow and bloom. This caused a noticeable delay in flowering, compared to the girls I gave a 90/10 bloom mix to.

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I came back to this post today to post a question similar to this. I would like to see the difference between a grow+bloom mix vs Only bloom in flower

Ah so burrr you got to see a good example of too much nitrogen at flowering.

Homebrewer I have a question. Dutch Master Gold has a lower Phosphorus amount for this ratio. However, their nutrients are horrid when it comes to pH balance and require pH down (Phosphoric Acid) daily. Should I assume the rapid pH spikes are due to a lack of P that my plants are guzzling? I can assume either DM:Gold went cheap and want people to add loads of Phosphoric Acid so they don't have to worry about it, or they have no idea what they are doing haha

MasterS said:

Ah so burrr you got to see a good example of too much nitrogen at flowering.

Homebrewer I have a question. Dutch Master Gold has a lower Phosphorus amount for this ratio. However, their nutrients are horrid when it comes to pH balance and require pH down (Phosphoric Acid) daily. Should I assume the rapid pH spikes are due to a lack of P that my plants are guzzling? I can assume either DM:Gold went cheap and want people to add loads of Phosphoric Acid so they don't have to worry about it, or they have no idea what they are doing haha

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I agree on the DM gold needing ph down daily. Adding a silica additive helped buffer it quite a bit and stabilized it though for me- try the dynagrow protekt...

I'll move to all Dyna-Gro. Cheapo me wanted to use it up also it just for a small personal grow in this op.

blahhh im so sad now ;x

i should have looked into it more


i just went out last week and bought the full GH line in 1gals ;x I wish i woulda known about dyna-gro

For some reason I cant PM you homebrewer and I read through your whole GW root microbes post and you didnt spill the info if you could shoot me your findings that would be great (as i just bought a 4oz bottle of this as well

homebrewer said:

In addition, I’m also not crazy about the 1-1-2 NPK ratio offered by Connoisseur. I’ve had the best results emulating a 1-3-2 ratio during flower but according to fat mike at AN, that’s too much phosphorus (according to tissue samples).

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I was confused with AN's NPK ratios as well when i was table testing different manufacturers products,it makes absolutely no sense to me,so much so that i passed on the product line.

I just figured the goofy ratio was just more AN hype sales pitch nonsense so they can say everybody else has it wrong.

Ive been absent for the last 2 yrs or so & i missed out on the Dyna Grow vs General Hydroponics comparison grow so ive got some reading to do.

Anyhow thank you for taking the time & spending your cash as well as doccumenting the grow off,it will have my full attention.

I was checking out the dynagro feeding schedules, and find that I'm happy running the "non'recirculating" dosage. I also saw that the recommended PH for hydro was 6.5. Thats pretty weird huh. I'm still running at 5.8

I'm afraid to click on a troll link. Why would someone think the 0 looks like an o?

Not to mention homebrewer has more than 1 post haha

That's some messed up stuff, hope the idiot gets kicked in the nuts for impersonating him...

edit: I couldn't resist and clicked on it... gees man, wow... looks like the brother of the guy from "1 man 1 jar"....

lol I did after assuming my virus scanner would protect me but it didn't shield my vision.

homebrewer said:

At 300ppm (assuming .7 conversion), I'd look into RO. If you're shooting for 850, that is the TOTAL ppm, additives included.

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HB, can you post a couple of pictures so i can have a comparison? I would like to see how my girls look compared to yours on the same day. Thanks!

jamesking said:

HB, can you post a couple of pictures so i can have a comparison? I would like to see how my girls look compared to yours on the same day. Thanks!

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You can see pics of the dynagro plants on his links to his previous journals

burrr said:

You can see pics of the dynagro plants on his links to his previous journals

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Yeah but burr- he wants to compare in real time I think

I'm jonesing for an update from HB too.
This was posted elsewhere on RIU, but it fits right in with HB's style of growing. It's feeding guidelines from a seed vendor. http://www.mandalaseeds.com/Guides/Fertilizing-Smart-Guide#EC Meter