Dyna-Gro from Advance Nutrients

HeartlandHank said:

I'm not positive that I am understanding you correctly, but I have not been dipping anything into my nutrient bottles. The opening of the bottle is not large enough to fit a measuring device into it. Even if it would, pouring the nutrients into a measuring cup is the way to go... just common sense.

I might have misunderstood what you meant.

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Well common sense and RIU do not go hand and hand, sorry for assuming that someone crying about an awesome nutrient that has sludge in the bottom, doesn't have "common sense" to shake them regularly or figure out why it is happening. I assumed, that was on me.

My bad. If it is not you, then your hydro store has an old supply (most likely as people shun DG and others for being "cheap") the monkeys think that if its good it has to be 30+ a bottle.

PS EVERY thing I buy at the nutrient store or online, when I first get it I put the date on the bottle with a sharpie, including equipment. This helps a medicated user like me remember when I bought it, which also lets me track the amount I go through in a time frame etc... If the date is on the bottle I also write that on in case the sticker gets lost.

patlpp said:

I read 15% mix is optimum and you are in trouble if you don't have adequate amounts of bacteria for oxidation. I give my coco Botanicare original compost solution periodically to ensure I have these bacteria. I still to this day can not find how inert hydro obtains these bacteria unless it is incidental with water feedings or from another nutrient. I can say this: With AN, @ 15%. I have no green issues at all at harvest.

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Nice crop, yes many use AN with fantastic results no doubt. They have figured out the secret percentage the additives and other tricks to make it tick.

I like DG and any nutrient I use to be a complete nutrient as when I dabbled in the "additives" the claims they had falsely advertised up did not materialize and wasted my money, along with the blow hards on forums exaggerating the claims too in the forums.

HeartlandHank said:

My sludge bottles have been all purchased from the same store. They ordered a fresh bottle of Foliage Pro 9-3-6 for me that has not sludged.
Who knows how old the GROW and Bloom bottles that I purchased were.
I should have considered that before assigning the blame of that problem to DG. My garden store guy is good shit... I might see if he will let me return them opened..

Sludge aside... I've done well. 1 month ago in this thread I was trying to guess the yield of the upcoming harvest from my first dyna grow. I have the real number now... 16.1 oz per 600 hps. That was 4 plants in 3 gallon pots of coco. I was pretty happy with that. I suspect that with 5 gallon pots and an extra week of veg might yield more.

My previous best yield was 13oz per 600hps. I hit just over 16oz per 600hps...
That was an 18% improvement on my previous best yield. This was my first grow with DG. So, I would say Dyna is an extremely easy to use fertilizer. The low price is cool too.

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I read a couple posts about growers experiencing significant increases in yield when changing nute lines. Guy had an excellent point that maybe it's YOU. Maybe you have improved your skills as a gardener, not what you are feeding them. Maybe you are more keen now on your environment and what it takes to make your girls happy. Makes so much sense. Give yourself credit, not the nute.

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Dan Kone said:

I'd like someone to explain to me what snow storm ultra is. When a nutrient company can't explain what's in their product, and only make too good to be true promises, it's nearly always bullshit.

By the end of my first year of doing hydro I was up to using 15 different products into my res. Every time I got a new additive I noticed a huge improvement. But then a funny thing happened. A friend of mine convinced me that to just try the basics. And guess what? All those improvements remained even without the additives. Turns out it wasn't the nutrients at all, I was just getting better at running hydro. My bud that cycle looked and yielded about the same, but it tasted waaaaay better.

This is what nut companies rely on. They target new growers with wild promises. They count on the fact that you're going to get better with experience. Then they claim the success was due to their product and then hope you will just continue using it because it worked before. Except the thing is it's not the products at all, it's your own improvement.

Work on your pruning skills, know when your plants are the right size to flip to flowering, make sure they are getting an even distribution of light. Try to keep your temperature as even as possible. Make sure you've got adequate air movement. Keep your ph consistent. Then when you've got all that down, add co2. This is how you grow good bud. Good bud doesn't come from a bottle of nutrients. There are no shortcuts.

Plants like water and enough nutrition to keep them healthy. That's it. They don't need all that other junk and you're not likely to receive any sort of tangible benefit from those products.



I've never used that system but it appears as they aren't made to grow big plants. I would just wait a few days - a week for the plants to adapt to their environment and flower them right away.

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patlpp said:

I read a couple posts about growers experiencing significant increases in yield when changing nute lines. Guy had an excellent point that maybe it's YOU. Maybe you have improved your skills as a gardener, not what you are feeding them. Maybe you are more keen now on your environment and what it takes to make your girls happy. Makes so much sense. Give yourself credit, not the nute.

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Well... I do see that you no longer have the location: "it must be the nutes".

Yeah man. You know.. I've become set in my ways since 2008.. I do grow bags, coco, 600hps, drain to waste. I know my genetics... i know what that skunk cross has produced in the past.

I don't think it is DG breaking some ground... I think it was DG gave me a bottle of nutes with an optimal NPK ratio for the first time. Also, I took the advice of folks like HB and UB and went KISS. No additives, just a good complete feed with an NPK that mj thrives with.

BigBuddahCheese said:

Well common sense and RIU do not go hand and hand, sorry for assuming that someone crying about an awesome nutrient that has sludge in the bottom, doesn't have "common sense" to shake them regularly or figure out why it is happening. I assumed, that was on me.

My bad. If it is not you, then your hydro store has an old supply (most likely as people shun DG and others for being "cheap") the monkeys think that if its good it has to be 30+ a bottle.

PS EVERY thing I buy at the nutrient store or online, when I first get it I put the date on the bottle with a sharpie, including equipment. This helps a medicated user like me remember when I bought it, which also lets me track the amount I go through in a time frame etc... If the date is on the bottle I also write that on in case the sticker gets lost.

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I stopped in at my hydro store today and had a talk with the owner and an employee... they assured me that everything on the shelf is fresh.

They let me swap out my sludge bottle and pick up a new one. The owner wanted to try out warming up the bottle to see if the sludge would dissolve.

We came to the conclusion that the sludge was a storage issue, low temps... He said that they order "Envy" nutes that ship out of IL... in the winter they don't even order them anymore because during the shipment in cold weather (through the midwest) the bottles are exposed to cold temps and form crystals in the bottom.

My little storage area for nutes and such is pretty damn cold. No heat... This problem DID arise right when our temps dropped..

So, I got my fresh bottle of DYNA, free (like I said, my hydro guy is cool) and I will be storing it in an area that stays in the mid to low 70s, consistently.


Really dude, I'm not crying about Dyna-Gro. I have been frequenting these DG vs AN threads lately because I was trying out DG and I felt like I could contribute to the discussion.

I had never even thought of dipping something into my nute bottle... i was surprised to hear that so many people are doing that... to me, that just seems like asking for issues to arise.

The problem with this discussion is that it seems everyone has already decided (indefinitely) which side they take... people "give DG/AN a try" or "do a side by side", but I don't think anyone frequenting these threads is truly interested in learning or finding answers... i also assume some of the folks in the discussion are on a payroll. I'm not pointing fingers, I am speaking of no one specifically... but if there isn't at least one person in these threads getting paid I would be surprised.

I'm dropping out of these discussions as I am neither of those... However, like I said, DG is an effective, very easy to use, low cost nute... I hit 18% over my previous highest yield.. maybe it was me excelling in skill over 6 months of a roughly 6 year indoor growing career, maybe it was the nutes... i don't know.
I tried out DG and I am still using it.. I am confident this sludge/crystal thing will not be a problem now that I am storing my nutes at mid/low 70s... assuming that this solves the problem.. i will probably be using DYNA for quite some time.

I'm out of these nute threads...

buds901 said:

if you cant grow with advanced nutrients then you cant grow at all.

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congratulations.....this is the most ignorant comment ive read today.

Im on my first grow ever with AN sensi two part, cal-mag, and superthrive. KISS. Five week veg, fourth week of flowering. DWC. When I switched to flower i was at 650 ppm with tap water at 150 to start. Im up to 850 ppm and havent had any issues with deficiencies on my first grow. They seem quite easy to use, i havent had a single leaf die or fall off. Some leaves are 1/3 larger than my hand. A real cinderella story. I am also interested in dyna grow results since ive also been considering future use. Subbed and hoping that your new years better than last year for you. Wish you luck man, cant wait till you conclude this experiment. God i hope i dont get so opinionated after i do this for a while lol way to keep it real Heartland.

BigBuddahCheese said:

PS EVERY thing I buy at the nutrient store or online, when I first get it I put the date on the bottle with a sharpie, including equipment. This helps a medicated user like me remember when I bought it, which also lets me track the amount I go through in a time frame etc... If the date is on the bottle I also write that on in case the sticker gets lost.

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Excellent advice... I started doing this with my bulbs a little while back and it is very helpful...

During my crystal issues I pulled out a couple old bottles of H&G coco A+B... maybe 18 months old or so? The A bottle looked fine.. the B bottle had some floaters... I figured it would be fine..
I mixed up a 16 gallon tub of feed and let it sit for a couple days.... those little floaters multiplied into many many floaters.. I am thinking it is mold.

With all the experimenting over the last 6 months I have so many old bottles sitting around. I am tossing most everything and starting fresh with this new Dyna GROW, Dyna Mag Pro, Gen Organic Ca Mg and H&G Root Excel.

Happy gardening to all...

Ninjabowler said:

Im on my first grow ever with AN sensi two part, cal-mag, and superthrive. KISS. Five week veg, fourth week of flowering. DWC. When I switched to flower i was at 650 ppm with tap water at 150 to start. Im up to 850 ppm and havent had any issues with deficiencies on my first grow. They seem quite easy to use, i havent had a single leaf die or fall off. Some leaves are 1/3 larger than my hand. A real cinderella story. I am also interested in dyna grow results since ive also been considering future use. Subbed and hoping that your new years better than last year for you. Wish you luck man, cant wait till you conclude this experiment. God i hope i dont get so opinionated after i do this for a while lol way to keep it real Heartland.

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If you remember, let me know how that AN two part works out for you. I've seen people around here do well with it.

Man, tap at 150?? You lucky guy... mine is like 330 and 8.7 ph. I'm pulling nice yields, but, you know. I don't even like to drink the stuff myself.

Yeah, if you ever get the itch... I would definitely speak for Dyna as a great product. The best part is that it is so easy to use.

Good luck, Ninjabowler.

I switched from AN to Dyna Gro about a year ago. I'm running a circulating DWC in rubbermaid storage totes. In the first two weeks of flower I ran 3 parts Grow to 1 part Bloom. This caused significant yellowing, I boosted my N with some Sensi Grow I had and that seemed to remedy the yellowing.

The formula I'm using now is using DG Grow (7-9-5) as a consistent base during flower. Early in flower I supplement with Sensi Grow to add N, mid flower is pretty much DG Grow. Then I start adding bloom the last half of flower.

Schedule for 9 week strain:

Weeks 1 and 2 - Grow +-Add N
Weeks 3 and 4 - pretty much just Grow maybe a touch of N along with a moderate dose of Big Bud
Weeks 5 and 6 - pretty much just Grow some bloom and a heavy dose of Big Bud
Weeks 7 and 8 - Pretty 50/50 Grow and Bloom with Overdrive.
Weeks 8+ - Flush

Also use CalMag the entire flower cycle.

Conclusion: There are plenty of Nutes out there some cost more some cost less. There are no magical nutrients, the key is figure out what works for you and you situation. What I have above simplifies things for me while meeting the needs of the plants.

HeartlandHank said:

Well... I do see that you no longer have the location: "it must be the nutes".

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Funny you noticed that. If you've seen the Nike commercials where Lee say's "It's gotta be the shoes" when it wasn't, it was the basketball player. That's why I put "gotta be the nutes" in the location field. Kinda playin' with the saying, not necessarily advocating that it literally is the nutes. LOL

Ninjabowler said:

congratulations.....this is the most ignorant comment ive read today.

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Sad, and true.

Really folks. Nutrients don't do your growing for you - YOU do. While you can blame the nutrients, you have to realize that it's bad growing techniques that cause troubles every time.

Yes, I use AN, but if I didn't use them right, then it wouldn't matter. And I would never say that they're for everyone, as I don't know what's in someone's grow room or how they're growing. Me a few years ago might have said, anyone can do what I do, but that's ignorant and arrogant. What's true is that anyone can grow, if they take the time to learn and they find out how nutrients work in their room.

I got a dog man, sometimes it shits on the lawn. Is it cause of the food right. Just kidding, im drunk. Dont judge me its new years and im drunk. Happy new years everyone!

Quick question.
How do u go about cleaning your dwc buckets or coolers while using scrog?