DWC or COCO COIR

rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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DailyBlastin said:
not sure why someone said the bloom ratio is bad for cannabis because its been working great for me for the past 5+ years
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even the owner of DG says he released the bloom nutes only to appease people that thought they needed a bloom nute. He goes on to say that Foliage Pro is best for cannabis. And sorry, but a 1-4-2 ratio for cannabis is crap. Too much P.
 
DailyBlastin

DailyBlastin

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rkymtnman said:
even the owner of DG says he released the bloom nutes only to appease people that thought they needed a bloom nute. He goes on to say that Foliage Pro is best for cannabis. And sorry, but a 1-4-2 ratio for cannabis is crap. Too much P.
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we all got different experiences, i respect your right to your opinion, doesn't mean others don't have good results, just like the guy you called out for blaming nutrient ratios on his failure- just because he might've failed doesnt mean you couldnt do better with the same product if you wanted to right? anyway GL to the OP happy growing <3
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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DailyBlastin said:
we all got different experiences, i respect your right to your opinion, doesn't mean others don't have good results, just like the guy you called out for blaming nutrient ratios on his failure- just because he might've failed doesnt mean you couldnt do better with the same product if you wanted to right? anyway GL to the OP happy growing <3
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would you mind posting your feeding schedule for coco with DG?
 
DailyBlastin

DailyBlastin

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rkymtnman said:
would you mind posting your feeding schedule for coco with DG?
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sure. i have a 14gal res that i use the recommended amount of pro-tekt 1tsp per gal, 3ml of calmag per gal, and 1.5tsp bloom per gal (bottle recommends 1tsp per gal for non-recirculating systems but i found my plants really enjoy the little extra.) my system is automated to feed once a day.
 
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Aqua Man

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I'm with @rkymtnman on this subject bloom nutes are for fools. Its old bro science BS. Cannabis needs minimal P and very often P tox can been seen with all the use of PK boosts and heavy P bloom nutes. you want a ratio of about 1-2 N/K and lower P, P also makes shitty tasting and burning weed. Plants need nitrogen in flower not toxic level of phosphorus. A good ratio complete base nute is all that you need start to finish, just control the ppm for stage of growth. I prefer around 2-1-3 as a ratio but similar will work. PBP grow only works well start to finish and there is no need to mix with the bloom.
 
Wastei

Wastei

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rkymtnman said:
even the owner of DG says he released the bloom nutes only to appease people that thought they needed a bloom nute. He goes on to say that Foliage Pro is best for cannabis. And sorry, but a 1-4-2 ratio for cannabis is crap. Too much P.
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Not completely true. Yes it has more P than needed but it's on the market so people are able to regulate N values in flowering with their products. Foliage Pro absolutely kills it in containers no questions there.

But like I said before. Different growing methods require different NPK values. That's what's good about Hydroponics, to have complete control week by week throughout the cycle. It's really easy to take someone elses words and make them your own. Its a whole different thing to actually have practical knowledge by experience in the matter.

You keep asking people for schedules, it shows you dont understand plant nutrition yet.
 
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Aqua Man

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Wastei said:
Not completely true. Yes it has more P than needed but it's on the market so people are able to regulate N values in flowering with their products. Foliage Pro absolutely kills it in containers no questions there.

But like I said before. Different growing methods require different NPK values. That's what's good about Hydroponics, to have complete control week by week throughout the cycle. It's really easy to take someone elses words and make them your own. Its a whole different thing to actually have practical knowledge by experience in the matter.

You keep asking people for schedules, it shows you dont understand plant nutrition yet.
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Respectfully disagree. They really don't need much different ratios at all.

Imo you don't need to control nitrogen by changing ratios. You control it by changing concentration and keep the same ratios.

As far as DG they have openly said this and have also stated that bloom nutes were customer driven.

Any nutrient can kill it... As long as its within certain ratios and has adequate (not toxic amounts) which is actually quite a big range IMO
 
Wastei

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Aqua Man said:
Respectfully disagree. They really don't need much different ratios at all.

Imo you don't need to control nitrogen by changing ratios. You control it by changing concentration and keep the same ratios.

As far as DG they have openly said this and have also stated that bloom nutes were customer driven.

Any nutrient can kill it... As long as its within certain ratios and has adequate (not toxic amounts) which is actually quite a big range IMO
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In containers no. It's sort of impossible to exactly know what's in the medium. Have you grown with Foliage Pro from start to finish in hydro? I have and it gave me more leaf matter, not the ideal structure I want and gave me more flower sites and less developed flowers = more work for no more yield. You control plant growth with different NPK values. You change concentrations on specific minerals by changing ratios, duh :wall:

Yes it's market driven. People think they need way to much phosphorus. Happy growing!
 
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Aqua Man

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Wastei said:
In containers no. It's sort of impossible to exactly know what's in the medium. Have you grown with Foliage Pro from start to finish in hydro? I have and it gave me more leaf matter, not the ideal structure I want and gave me more flower sites and less developed flowers = more work for no more yield. You control plant growth with different NPK values. You change concentrations by changing ratios, duh :wall:

Yes it's market driven. People think they need way to much phosphorus. Happy growing!
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Oh I call bullshit on this hard bro .. again no disrespect bit nutrients do not dictate plant structure. They will give toxicity and deficiency but no way in hell is it going to change leaf to shoot ratios or any of that nature in any significant manner. I'm guessing you grew it under different lighting. I have mixed my own nutrients from salts more than enough to understand nutrients. Now I use a 1 part dry fert.

I'm sorry but what you are saying is just plain false. Im no expert but I have enough knowledge to understand this just doesn't jive with plant physiology

And yes I grow RDWC
 
Wastei

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Aqua Man said:
Oh I call bullshit on this hard bro .. again no disrespect bit nutrients do not dictate plant structure. They will give toxicity and deficiency but no way in hell is it going to change leaf to shoot ratios or any of that nature in any significant manner. I'm guessing you grew it under different lighting. I have mixed my own nutrients from salts more than enough to understand nutrients. Now I use a 1 part dry fert.

I'm sorry but what you are saying is just plain false. Im no expert but I have enough knowledge to understand this just doesn't jive with plant physiology

And yes I grow RDWC
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Try giving a plant only nitrogen. ROFL :roll: I'm sorry but your arguments doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
 
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Aqua Man

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Wastei said:
Try giving a plant only nitrogen. ROFL :roll: I'm sorry but your arguments doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
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What are you talking about? Where did I say give it only nitrogen? I said PBP grow only.... How do you get nitrogen only?

Did you even read my post about proper ratios and no need to change them?

Now I'm questioning more than your understanding of nutrients
 
Wastei

Wastei

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Aqua Man said:
What are you talking about? Where did I say give it only nitrogen? I said PBP grow only.... How do you get nitrogen only?

Now I'm questioning more than your understanding of nutrients
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You said different nutrient ratios doesn't equal different plant characteristics. I've done side by side grows in the past with exactly the same climate and circumstances. Same tent. Identical lighting. One side with FP only from start to finish the other with 50/50 FP to Bloom in veg and 20/80 in flowering.

It yielded different results and gave me more work in the end on FP side. I don't need you to tell me it doesn't matter. I know it does. I've seen to many side by side grows including my own to know it to be true. I'm not here to tell anyone what to do. I try to speak truth and give something back to the community.

There's to many keyboard warrior on this forum who mainly talk but have nothing to show for themselves. You are free to choose who you're following and listening to. Most people just want to be right and get their point through.
 
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Aqua Man

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Like I said wide range can be used. I like a ratio of 2-1-3. Low p with N-P 2-1, K-N 1.5/2-1 even a 1-1-1 ratio works. Then you keep the ratios the same and just adjust the N to the plants needs KEEPING THE OTHER NUTRIENTS IN THE PROPORTIONAL RATIO.
 
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Aqua Man

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Wastei said:
You said different nutrient ratios doesn't equal different plant characteristics. I've done side by side grows in the past with exactly the same climate and circumstances. Same tent. Identical lighting. One side with FP only from start to finish the other with 50/50 FP to Bloom in veg and 20/80 in flowering.

It yielded different results and gave me more work in the end on FP side. I don't need you to tell me it doesn't matter. I know it does. I've seen to many side by side grows including my own to know it to be true. I'm not here to tell anyone what to do. I try to speak truth and give something back to the community.

There's to many keyboard warrior on this forum who mainly talk but have nothing to show for themselves. You are free to choose who you're following and listening to. Most people just want to be right and get their point through.
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Sorry you feel that way.... But nutrients don't control the amount of bud sites or leaf to shoot ratio in any significant way
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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Wastei said:
You keep asking people for schedules, it shows you dont understand plant nutrition yet.
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you keep giving bad advice. and keep side stepping around it.

and the fact that you say Foliage Pro has too much N in it for cannabis is more bad advice you are giving out.

considering you claim to know plant nutrition, the way you prove that knowledge is to provide bad info? makes total sense.

i know what NPK ratios work for cannabis. 1-4-2 is not one of them. more bad advice from you.
 
Wastei

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Aqua Man said:
Sorry you feel that way.... But nutrients don't control the amount of bud sites or leaf to shoot ratio in any significant way
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I don't know if I "feel that way". Me an many others know it to be true. If a person wont show you even one single healthy plant picture I would look the other way. And everyone who believe they are self entitled experts after just a few runs maybe should reconsider giving any advice to newcomers.
 
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