DWC LED 600W Starting from Seed :)
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eastcoastmo
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They'll be right mate, they are probably in recovery mode. Just let them dry out and they'll bounce back. 18/6 light would help for sure.
chronicboomz
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Yes they are smaller than you would expect, but then for the first bit of the grow your light was too close and this shocked them. 18/6 will defo help, and allow them some down time. 18/6 is preferable to 24/0 in my humble opinion. Don't worry though, they will recover, and once they have a few sets of true leaves, they will go from strength to strength. It would be worth investing in a single tube T5 light fixture for the early stages after germination in time for your next grow. For now, just keep a careful eye on your babies and nurse them very carefully until they pick up. Any more issues post a picture, I will keep a close eye on this thread incase you need more advice. Good luck!
chronicboomz
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Good advice dude! If it wasn't for your name, I would have guessed you were based in the UK by the wording of your post!
eastcoastmo
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Lol, just 'avin a laugh hey! I'm east coast of Oz so there would be similarities!!
OG_Dreams
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Update day 6
I have my light cycle set on from 5am-11pm then off from 11pm-5am giving me the 18/6 I was looking for, but I think I may want to change the off period during to day to conserve electricity. Any time periods work well for you? I was thinking turn off at 11am and come on at 5pm (pretty much exact opposite of what I am already doing) Will this mess my plants up at this stage? They are feminized seeds btw
I'm currently running a window a/c unit in the room next to my grow space, my exhaust also runs into this room for the time being (because odor is still not an issue) to get the hot air out. I was hoping the pressure difference from the outside room to my grow closet would cause a kind of natural cold airstream pushing through gaps in my Mylar and helping cool down the room without use of another fan. Is this fine or should I worry about bringing unwanted things from the air in the outside room?
Other than that things in the grow room are going pretty good
One of the girls has doubled in growth it seems (or close to it!) and has really helped with morale, thought for sure I would have to start all over. Well this is her
The other one doesn't seem to have shown any growth at all, and every time I come into the room after a couple hours her rock wool is completely dry! (this is the one with over watering issues as well?!? Wat teh fack) So I gave her some water/Clonex mix (using like 1/5 the dosage) at the base of the stem and around the top and tried to get some into the sides of the cube without disturbing her too much. It sucks cause this is the one that sprouted first and opened big coyteledons and looked great and then I messed it up, but oh well you live and you learn and this may give an opportunity to grow another strain
And here is a pic of both with the 5-gal buckets for scale reference
Happy growing fellas!
I have my light cycle set on from 5am-11pm then off from 11pm-5am giving me the 18/6 I was looking for, but I think I may want to change the off period during to day to conserve electricity. Any time periods work well for you? I was thinking turn off at 11am and come on at 5pm (pretty much exact opposite of what I am already doing) Will this mess my plants up at this stage? They are feminized seeds btw
I'm currently running a window a/c unit in the room next to my grow space, my exhaust also runs into this room for the time being (because odor is still not an issue) to get the hot air out. I was hoping the pressure difference from the outside room to my grow closet would cause a kind of natural cold airstream pushing through gaps in my Mylar and helping cool down the room without use of another fan. Is this fine or should I worry about bringing unwanted things from the air in the outside room?
Other than that things in the grow room are going pretty good
One of the girls has doubled in growth it seems (or close to it!) and has really helped with morale, thought for sure I would have to start all over. Well this is her The other one doesn't seem to have shown any growth at all, and every time I come into the room after a couple hours her rock wool is completely dry! (this is the one with over watering issues as well?!? Wat teh fack) So I gave her some water/Clonex mix (using like 1/5 the dosage) at the base of the stem and around the top and tried to get some into the sides of the cube without disturbing her too much. It sucks cause this is the one that sprouted first and opened big coyteledons and looked great and then I messed it up, but oh well you live and you learn and this may give an opportunity to grow another strain
And here is a pic of both with the 5-gal buckets for scale reference
Happy growing fellas!
eastcoastmo
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Is it a mouldy smell? If so, your water is growing algae and needs to go. How long does it sit before it's refreshed?
Or is the smell more chemically? Like a vitamin sort of smell?
Or is the smell more chemically? Like a vitamin sort of smell?
eastcoastmo
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What temp is your res sitting at? Any higher than 23-24 and you'll get algae which can also cause root rot (pythium). Is there any light getting into your res? These are just things I can think of off hand...
madininagyal
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Add some h2o2 to your water to keep it clean and look for water temps you should not be highest than 22°c if it the case buy à more powerful air pump
eastcoastmo
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Beat me too it, thanks mate
OG_Dreams
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There isn't any light getting into my res that I can tell. I have been using city water and phing it down. The water looked cloudy when I first popped the lid off. Is it costly to be buying 10gallons of RO water a week? Since you guys have posted I've switched the water out and PHed it down. Can the water be too cold? Jw
I think I may be starting a new seed or two, might change it to starter plugs this time and not over water it like last time lol
Also stopped by lowes and picked up a CFL bulb, and will be grabbing some distilled water to help with the germination/seedling stage.
Anyone with some good links on perpetual grows? I've read a few but more information never hurt
I think I may be starting a new seed or two, might change it to starter plugs this time and not over water it like last time lol
Also stopped by lowes and picked up a CFL bulb, and will be grabbing some distilled water to help with the germination/seedling stage.
Anyone with some good links on perpetual grows? I've read a few but more information never hurt
madininagyal
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Get h2o2 that will clean your bucket and change your air pump is simple as that
OG_Dreams
Member
As I was trying to figure out how much h2o2 to put in my system I stumbled upon this article, the link no longer works but luckily someone posted the text to the forum.
Pondering peroxide
by Ed Rosenthal. Posted on Saturday, March 2 2002 12:00:00 AM Ask Ed CC35
How much hydrogen peroxide should be used?
When and how much hydrogen peroxide should I use in my hydroponic solution?
Stiggy,
Internet
Hydrogen peroxide is a powerful oxidizer that can be used to destroy fungi, molds, bacteria and other infectious agents as well as some pollutants. Adding it to your water helps plants by destroying infectious agents and by adding oxygen to the roots' environment.
Hydrogen peroxide is an essential ingredient in maintaining a clean growing room. It replaces chlorine bleach, which is antiseptic but harmful to breathe. When added to reservoirs, hydrogen peroxide slows the growth of algae and other water organisms so that trays and utensils need to be cleaned less frequently. Soil and water borne diseases such as pythium and other stem and root rots occur at much lower rates in hydrogen peroxide-enriched water. Hydrogen peroxide works because of the oxidative reaction, so micro-organisms are unlikely to develop a tolerance.
There are many ways to add hydrogen peroxide to the water. A measured amount every three days is the crudest method, but still effectively enriches the water. A smaller measured amount daily would even out the peaks and valleys of oxygen in the water. Another method is to use a drip similar to an IV bag, which continuously adds a regulated amount. The most sophisticated method is a probe which measures the oxygen content of the water as an indirect means of measuring the hydrogen peroxide, and adds an appropriate amount as needed.
When used properly, hydrogen peroxide can keep infections in the garden to a minimum and stimulate root growth by increasing the oxygen content of the water. Hydrogen peroxide degrades into free oxygen and water over a three-day period. Some of the oxygen dissolves in the reservoir water and is used by the roots.
Different concentrations of hydrogen peroxide solution are available. It is sold diluted to 3% in drug stores. Some indoor garden shops sell 10% grade and 35% grade is sold in a few health food stores and over the Internet. The 3% hydrogen peroxide solution can be used topically to sterilize cuts and infections. Hydrogen peroxide solution at 10% burns skin. 35% hydrogen peroxide solution acts much like a concentrated acid and is handled as a hazardous, corrosive liquid.
The 10% hydrogen peroxide solution is sometimes used at rates as low as one ounce per 10 gallons water; however, enrichment using an ounce per gallon is more effective for disease control. When 35% hydrogen peroxide solution is used, it can be added at the rate of three ounces per 10 gallons of water. If a 3% solution is used, use three ounces per gallon of water.
Hope this helps future readers!
Pondering peroxide
by Ed Rosenthal. Posted on Saturday, March 2 2002 12:00:00 AM Ask Ed CC35
How much hydrogen peroxide should be used?
When and how much hydrogen peroxide should I use in my hydroponic solution?
Stiggy,
Internet
Hydrogen peroxide is a powerful oxidizer that can be used to destroy fungi, molds, bacteria and other infectious agents as well as some pollutants. Adding it to your water helps plants by destroying infectious agents and by adding oxygen to the roots' environment.
Hydrogen peroxide is an essential ingredient in maintaining a clean growing room. It replaces chlorine bleach, which is antiseptic but harmful to breathe. When added to reservoirs, hydrogen peroxide slows the growth of algae and other water organisms so that trays and utensils need to be cleaned less frequently. Soil and water borne diseases such as pythium and other stem and root rots occur at much lower rates in hydrogen peroxide-enriched water. Hydrogen peroxide works because of the oxidative reaction, so micro-organisms are unlikely to develop a tolerance.
There are many ways to add hydrogen peroxide to the water. A measured amount every three days is the crudest method, but still effectively enriches the water. A smaller measured amount daily would even out the peaks and valleys of oxygen in the water. Another method is to use a drip similar to an IV bag, which continuously adds a regulated amount. The most sophisticated method is a probe which measures the oxygen content of the water as an indirect means of measuring the hydrogen peroxide, and adds an appropriate amount as needed.
When used properly, hydrogen peroxide can keep infections in the garden to a minimum and stimulate root growth by increasing the oxygen content of the water. Hydrogen peroxide degrades into free oxygen and water over a three-day period. Some of the oxygen dissolves in the reservoir water and is used by the roots.
Different concentrations of hydrogen peroxide solution are available. It is sold diluted to 3% in drug stores. Some indoor garden shops sell 10% grade and 35% grade is sold in a few health food stores and over the Internet. The 3% hydrogen peroxide solution can be used topically to sterilize cuts and infections. Hydrogen peroxide solution at 10% burns skin. 35% hydrogen peroxide solution acts much like a concentrated acid and is handled as a hazardous, corrosive liquid.
The 10% hydrogen peroxide solution is sometimes used at rates as low as one ounce per 10 gallons water; however, enrichment using an ounce per gallon is more effective for disease control. When 35% hydrogen peroxide solution is used, it can be added at the rate of three ounces per 10 gallons of water. If a 3% solution is used, use three ounces per gallon of water.
Hope this helps future readers!
eastcoastmo
Well-Known Member
It's hard to tell if you don't have a thermometer. What are your temps like where your grow room is? If it's really warm, it's likely the res is warm. If it's really cold, it's likely your res is cold. I used to have an aquarium heater that was set on 22. If it stayed off, my res was above the temp, if it was below, it kept it at 22 degrees.
Definitely get some h2o2 in there, if the res is warm, it will help to keep the algae and mould away. You can also look at products like hygrozome and other algaecides to keep it away. @AlphaPhase uses some good products for this purpose...
OG_Dreams
Member
My grow room usually sits at 76-80F lights on and 72-74 lights off. RH is at 40% pretty consistently. I switched out the res today so I'll pick some hydrogen peroxide up tomorrow.
Round 2!
Going to try and fix some mistakes this go around and replace the weakest plant with this girl. Instead of rock wool I'm going to use a rapid rooter and am thinking about leaving the dome off completely and just misting over the rooter once/twice a day.
So I soaked and rinsed my rooter with bottled water, squeezed out excess water and placed my seed right in the hole and lightly covered the top with a piece of rapid rooter I ripped off the bottom. I have my 90w CFL (2800 lumens, bright white) pointed at her with a heating mat underneath. Anything you guys would change?
Round 2!
Going to try and fix some mistakes this go around and replace the weakest plant with this girl. Instead of rock wool I'm going to use a rapid rooter and am thinking about leaving the dome off completely and just misting over the rooter once/twice a day.
So I soaked and rinsed my rooter with bottled water, squeezed out excess water and placed my seed right in the hole and lightly covered the top with a piece of rapid rooter I ripped off the bottom. I have my 90w CFL (2800 lumens, bright white) pointed at her with a heating mat underneath. Anything you guys would change?
eastcoastmo
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Ok cool, temps sound ok. Only thing i would change is to get rid of the heat mat and have the cfl about 2-3 inches above the rapid roote until it pops, that will give it enough heat to pop up. I used to use a heat mat but I lost too many plants from damping off and them sprouting the wrong way. Since i got rid of mine, back to 100% germ rate and no damping off
OG_Dreams
Member
Ok cool, temps sound ok. Only thing i would change is to get rid of the heat mat and have the cfl about 2-3 inches above the rapid roote until it pops, that will give it enough heat to pop up. I used to use a heat mat but I lost too many plants from damping off and them sprouting the wrong way. Since i got rid of mine, back to 100% germ rate and no damping off
I see "damping off" quite often, what does that mean exactly? Root rot or stunted growth because too much moisture?